| Aston Villa banning away fans..... 17:58 - Oct 16 with 19221 views | Bloots |
....from Villa Park for the match against Maccabi Tel Aviv, due to "public safety concerns and the ability to deal with protests".
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:45 - Oct 17 with 1641 views | Herbivore |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:40 - Oct 17 by Trequartista |
I think you misunderstand what i mean, I'm not debating if these things are true or not. It's just so important to get that label. It's then used in every sentence. Genocidal Israel. Fascist Farage etc. Like a tactic or strategy to win the argument before the argument has begun. I wonder if its a deliberate tactic or just subconscious to the way people think. |
I think whether or not the label is warranted is rather important, no? When a UN inquiry has found evidence of genocide being committed by Israel it's neither inaccurate nor pejorative to refer to genocide. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:45 - Oct 17 with 1644 views | giant_stow |
Reading the news just now, it seems like the govt will throw resources at protecting the Macabi fans, who will in turn, presumably be on best behaviour. If there aren't enough police from other areas available, would they send some army even? Daft thought I know., but it entered my head so I'll type it! [Post edited 17 Oct 2025 12:48]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:45 - Oct 17 with 1643 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:39 - Oct 17 by BlueNomad |
The government in Gaza effectively staged a coup and Hamas is an appalling regime which cannot be excused any of the horrendous things they have done. They are hardly democratically elected representatives of the Gaza people. Palestine also includes the West Bank. It has a fairly reasonable administration but is being increasingly occupied by Israel. How are the things done by the government supported settlers, together with IDF, not genocidal? The mantra “from the river to the sea” says it all.
The imperial ambitions of Israel are not that different to Russia. The actions of both militaries are also similar.
In conclusion, we have a democracy carrying out collective punishment, around 55 dead Palestinians for each Israeli person killed on Oct 7th. Such “punishments” conducted by the Nazis in occupied Europe is rightly considered one of their worst war crimes. [Post edited 17 Oct 2025 12:43]
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I am at a loss to understand how Israel and its supporters continue to pretend that the violent forcible destruction and theft of people's homes and land, euphemistically called "settling" does not have a direct correlation with the ability of the likes of Hamas to radicalise and recruit. |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:48 - Oct 17 with 1620 views | BlueNomad |
I see it’s Lebanon’s turn this morning.
Trump to put CIA / military in Venezuela next.
The world is dropping any standards it had. |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:56 - Oct 17 with 1577 views | BlueNomad |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:45 - Oct 17 by giant_stow |
Reading the news just now, it seems like the govt will throw resources at protecting the Macabi fans, who will in turn, presumably be on best behaviour. If there aren't enough police from other areas available, would they send some army even? Daft thought I know., but it entered my head so I'll type it! [Post edited 17 Oct 2025 12:48]
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The police have enough resources through mutual aid. There is NEVER a time when the military are required (apart from specialist terrorist operations) and troops do not have any police powers. | | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:59 - Oct 17 with 1553 views | giant_stow |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:56 - Oct 17 by BlueNomad |
The police have enough resources through mutual aid. There is NEVER a time when the military are required (apart from specialist terrorist operations) and troops do not have any police powers. |
Fair enough boss. As if to back you up, I just read an update on the beeb from the West Midlands Mayor saying its about *paying* for extra police resources. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 13:03 - Oct 17 with 1529 views | Trequartista |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:45 - Oct 17 by Herbivore |
I think whether or not the label is warranted is rather important, no? When a UN inquiry has found evidence of genocide being committed by Israel it's neither inaccurate nor pejorative to refer to genocide. |
It's like for example "Racist Boris Johnson" or "Fascist Nigel Farage". Someone from antifa could come along with violence against them and say well i'm punching a fascist, what's the problem. I'm not debating whether those labels are true or not, I'm saying the importance of the label outweighs anything else to get the moral higher ground. I mean it's clever but I wonder whether it is deliberate or just how it plays out. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:12 - Oct 17 with 1382 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:48 - Oct 17 by BlueNomad |
I see it’s Lebanon’s turn this morning.
Trump to put CIA / military in Venezuela next.
The world is dropping any standards it had. |
They never had any standards did they? Hezbollah haven’t held up their end of the truce and have refused to disarm to the Lebanese authorities, and Maduro has created the largest number of refugees in the world by starving and brutalising his population. Some people just want to watch the world burn! | | | |
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| FFS, inevitably..... on 14:17 - Oct 17 with 1363 views | reusersfreekicks |
| FFS, inevitably..... on 18:43 - Oct 16 by Bloots |
....this has every chance of turning into an antisemitic/anti Isreal thread.
I should have known better really.
Phillip if this starts going in the usual direction feel free to delete it before it gets out of hand.
Cheers. |
Excellent attempt at one sided sh1t stirring |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:30 - Oct 17 with 1317 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:23 - Oct 17 by redrickstuhaart |
There is something in that. Though I think most in the UK would at least be cautious and suspicious of a Russian in the uk unless they were actively making it clear they opposed Putin.
Furthermore, we are getting within this very thread, criticism of Israel, met with cries of anti semitism by people in the UK. Which is tacit defence of and support of Israel. |
You do realise that Maccabi have many non Israeli Jewish fans in the UK?
How would you feel if British Asians were refused entry into the oval if say Pakistan or India were playing England because the police could not guarantee their safety from a Tommy Robinson mob?what would that tell you about the country we are living in? [Post edited 17 Oct 2025 14:49]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:41 - Oct 17 with 1297 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:12 - Oct 17 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
They never had any standards did they? Hezbollah haven’t held up their end of the truce and have refused to disarm to the Lebanese authorities, and Maduro has created the largest number of refugees in the world by starving and brutalising his population. Some people just want to watch the world burn! |
Ah so Trump is our saviour with all his caring positive democratic intentions
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:45 - Oct 17 with 1283 views | Herbivore |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 13:03 - Oct 17 by Trequartista |
It's like for example "Racist Boris Johnson" or "Fascist Nigel Farage". Someone from antifa could come along with violence against them and say well i'm punching a fascist, what's the problem. I'm not debating whether those labels are true or not, I'm saying the importance of the label outweighs anything else to get the moral higher ground. I mean it's clever but I wonder whether it is deliberate or just how it plays out. |
I think we're talking at cross purposes here. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:46 - Oct 17 with 1269 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:41 - Oct 17 by reusersfreekicks |
Ah so Trump is our saviour with all his caring positive democratic intentions
Gotcha |
Lol! Where have I said anything remotely like that.
Weird take, 2+2 = 358 | | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 15:20 - Oct 17 with 1204 views | Ryorry |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:55 - Oct 17 by BiGDonnie |
Time to make religion illegal. Cause of all the worlds problems. |
The ME conflicts that Israel are involved in revolve around territory, not just religion though. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 15:40 - Oct 17 with 1173 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:30 - Oct 17 by GlasgowBlue |
You do realise that Maccabi have many non Israeli Jewish fans in the UK?
How would you feel if British Asians were refused entry into the oval if say Pakistan or India were playing England because the police could not guarantee their safety from a Tommy Robinson mob?what would that tell you about the country we are living in? [Post edited 17 Oct 2025 14:49]
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In your example, have India or Pakistan been brazenly disregarding UN Security Resolutions going back 58 years and are they currently committing genocide against the people whose land they are occupying?
Because if you want to draw parallels, GB, the situations should be parallel not tangential. [Post edited 17 Oct 2025 16:56]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 15:48 - Oct 17 with 1142 views | Ryorry |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:09 - Oct 17 by NthQldITFC |
Decades of underfunding, mainly by T*ry governments? |
No problem finding the resources to show up en masse to drag away pensioners sitting down in protest at a ludicrously proscribed demo though … | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:05 - Oct 17 with 1006 views | Trequartista |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:45 - Oct 17 by Herbivore |
I think we're talking at cross purposes here. |
That's quite possibly true, but it was me that made a comment which you jumped upon rather than the other way around. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:10 - Oct 17 with 997 views | BlueBadger |
Nice to see all the Very Real Concerns crowd here getting upset about people banning men of fighting age from the middle east from entering their home territories due to concerns about increased criminality. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:17 - Oct 17 with 974 views | Herbivore |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:05 - Oct 17 by Trequartista |
That's quite possibly true, but it was me that made a comment which you jumped upon rather than the other way around. |
Well you seem to just keep ignoring the point that "genocide" is not a label that people are just bandying about regarding Israel, the UN have found that Israel's actions in Gaza amount to genocide. You've ignored that and said something about Johnson and Farage instead so I'm not sure we're really making much headway here. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:49 - Oct 17 with 907 views | Trequartista |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:17 - Oct 17 by Herbivore |
Well you seem to just keep ignoring the point that "genocide" is not a label that people are just bandying about regarding Israel, the UN have found that Israel's actions in Gaza amount to genocide. You've ignored that and said something about Johnson and Farage instead so I'm not sure we're really making much headway here. |
Because you're wanting to make a different point, I moved it onto to something other than genocide to demonstrate this was not specifically about one label, and you moved it back again, so... | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:51 - Oct 17 with 900 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 12:16 - Oct 17 by leitrimblue |
What mask would that be then mate? |
His I think. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 18:40 - Oct 17 with 828 views | noggin |
Have the police said who they think was likely to cause problems? |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:19 - Oct 17 with 764 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 18:40 - Oct 17 by noggin |
Have the police said who they think was likely to cause problems? |
And with that question alone, you understand so much more than 95% of the population will.
You must live outside the UK, right? | | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:25 - Oct 17 with 744 views | noggin |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:19 - Oct 17 by Cafe_Newman |
And with that question alone, you understand so much more than 95% of the population will.
You must live outside the UK, right? |
I do but it seems a pretty important question regardless. Big city police are capable of escorting a couple of thousand supporters to a football match, and/or controlling a protest where a few idiots are likely to cause trouble. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:34 - Oct 17 with 712 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:25 - Oct 17 by noggin |
I do but it seems a pretty important question regardless. Big city police are capable of escorting a couple of thousand supporters to a football match, and/or controlling a protest where a few idiots are likely to cause trouble. |
You're right, it's a very important question regardless. The mistake (and I don't believe it is yours) is to believe that this is only about football fans and their safety. Those who are quick to call out antisemitism will start with that belief. | | | |
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