| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead 17:33 - Jan 13 with 3619 views | GlasgowBlue |
Iranian dissidents claim it is more likely between 7500 and 12000.
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 07:06 - Jan 15 with 651 views | DJR |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 08:32 - Jan 14 by DJR |
A few observations.
1. Iran/Persia has a rich cultural history going back millennia and long pre-dating Islam, so the straightjacket that the mullahs have imposed these last 45 or so years has always struck me as tragic.
2. In my 20s I went out with the daughter of a family who had moved to London following the fall of the Shah. She has spent her professional life in exile opposing the regime, exposing human rights abuses and assisting people seeking asylum who have fled the regime.
3. Recent events have brought into sharp focus the brutality of the regime but this is an ongoing thing as evidenced by the fact that, according to the Migration Observatory, Iranians have made up the largest national group among people crossing the English Channel in small boats since 2018. But to many they're just "illegals".
4. Reports in recent days on the World Service have indicated protestors chanting the name of Reza Pahlavi, the son of the Shah. It appears that he has had dealings with the Trump administration but I did wonder if such a person would be the right person to lead the country given the human rights abuses of the Shah's regime. I also wondered whether he would have widespread support in the country. And I came across this article in the Jerusalem Post which mentions similar reservations about him and about changes from the outside.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
5. Both Pahlavi and Trump have called for continuation of the uprisings but I do wonder if the moment has passed. It is difficult to gauge Trump's real intentions here. He appears to be talking in terms of human rights but the US has a strategic interest in weaking Iran and it is not clear to me that sanctions and bombing will improve the lot of the people or even lead to democracy, given the brutality of the regime and the fact that it still seems to have a fair degree of support. [Post edited 14 Jan 8:47]
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It would appear that Trump shares my reservations about the popularity of Reza Pahlavi.
"Trump said Iranian opposition figure Reza Pahlavi “seems very nice” but expressed uncertainty about whether Pahlavi would be able to muster support within Iran to eventually take over. “I don’t know how he’d play within his own country,” Trump told Reuters in the Oval Office. “And we really aren’t up to that point yet. I don’t know whether or not his country would accept his leadership, and certainly if they would, that would be fine with me.”
Great minds think alike. 
As it is, the mood music from the White House seems to have changed more generally, so maybe the prospects of an attack are receding. But with Trump, you never know. |  | | |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 07:44 - Jan 15 with 610 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 23:30 - Jan 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Looks like by the time we wake up in the morning the US will have undertaken action against Iran. Israel will be attacked in retaliation.
Although I agree 100% with the sentiment of your post I’m not sure if this action will be of benefit to the Iranian people. |
There were reports last night UK and US personnel evacuating a base in Qatar. Not clear whether this was precautionary or in response to a specific threat.
Amnesty International were writing about unarmed protesters being chased by the authorities and shot in the streets ‘in mass scale’ by the authorities. The regime are claiming to have put executions on hold so you wonder whether the threat of US intervention has had some effect (it could be lies of course given these things are difficult to verify). |  | | |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 07:59 - Jan 15 with 604 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 22:21 - Jan 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Are you categorically saying that this couldn't happen? |
See this is where your confirmation bias kicks in. Just like the missile that landed near al-Ahli Hospital. Or the ban on Maccabi fans. You want to believe something despite the lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary.
The Iranian regime, which is murdering tens of thousands of its citizens are using the false narrative that this uprising is not being lead by ordinary Iranians who are opposed to the barbaric regime, but instead that it is being lead by the USA and Israel. Al Jazeera are spreading this narrative despite a lack of evidence. This only helps the Iranian regime. | |
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 08:03 - Jan 15 with 596 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 07:44 - Jan 15 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
There were reports last night UK and US personnel evacuating a base in Qatar. Not clear whether this was precautionary or in response to a specific threat.
Amnesty International were writing about unarmed protesters being chased by the authorities and shot in the streets ‘in mass scale’ by the authorities. The regime are claiming to have put executions on hold so you wonder whether the threat of US intervention has had some effect (it could be lies of course given these things are difficult to verify). |
Added to the UK abandonment of its embassy in Tehran and Iranian airspace being closed, that would suggest action is imminent. Some reports suggested it could go ahead last night. Trump is so volatile and unpredictable it’s so hard to read.. | |
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 08:15 - Jan 15 with 588 views | DJR |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 08:03 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Added to the UK abandonment of its embassy in Tehran and Iranian airspace being closed, that would suggest action is imminent. Some reports suggested it could go ahead last night. Trump is so volatile and unpredictable it’s so hard to read.. |
The Guardian is reporting this.
"A little more now on Iran’s reopening of its airspace to flights after a near-five-hour closure that forced airlines to cancel, reroute or delay some flights.
Iran closed its airspace to all flights except international ones to and from Iran with official permission at 10.15pm GMT on Wednesday, according to a notice on the US Federal Aviation Administration website.
The notice was removed shortly before 3am GMT, according to tracking service Flightradar24, which showed five flights from Iranian carriers Mahan Air, Yazd Airways and AVA Airlines were among the first to resume over the country."
The flight radar map (which I can't reproduce) also shows an awful lot of planes in the Middle East skirting round Iran to the south and north, which I wouldn't have thought conducive to an imminent attack.
But who knows with Trump. | | | |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 08:40 - Jan 15 with 549 views | positivity |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 22:11 - Jan 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Al Jazeera acting as Iran's mouthpiece again.
Estimates of deaths now between 12,000 -20,000. Approximately 20,000 people detained. Iranian regime using extortion to release the bodies of the dead to their families. |
if true, what on earth is trump playing at?
first he says go out and protest, if the iranian govt dares to kill anyone, we'll defend you
iran govt kills "20,000", trump says, he doesn't think anymore will be killed, so all is fine
at best he's made to look very weak, at worst partially culpable for encouraging these people to their deaths? | |
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 10:59 - Jan 15 with 475 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 07:59 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue |
See this is where your confirmation bias kicks in. Just like the missile that landed near al-Ahli Hospital. Or the ban on Maccabi fans. You want to believe something despite the lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary.
The Iranian regime, which is murdering tens of thousands of its citizens are using the false narrative that this uprising is not being lead by ordinary Iranians who are opposed to the barbaric regime, but instead that it is being lead by the USA and Israel. Al Jazeera are spreading this narrative despite a lack of evidence. This only helps the Iranian regime. |
I don't want to believe it but are you really suggesting foreign states won't be pulling all sorts of strings to add further fuel to the fire? [Post edited 15 Jan 10:59]
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 11:05 - Jan 15 with 453 views | lowhouseblue |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 10:59 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I don't want to believe it but are you really suggesting foreign states won't be pulling all sorts of strings to add further fuel to the fire? [Post edited 15 Jan 10:59]
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are you really suggesting that the iranian intelligence services are a credible source? |  |
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 12:02 - Jan 15 with 420 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 10:59 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I don't want to believe it but are you really suggesting foreign states won't be pulling all sorts of strings to add further fuel to the fire? [Post edited 15 Jan 10:59]
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Again you are missing the point. Which is the Iranian State are using a widely read and watched news source, owned by the Qataris, to push their agenda. And Al Jazeera have gone along with their line despite offering no evidence. | |
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 12:09 - Jan 15 with 404 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 12:02 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Again you are missing the point. Which is the Iranian State are using a widely read and watched news source, owned by the Qataris, to push their agenda. And Al Jazeera have gone along with their line despite offering no evidence. |
Did you notice last night when Trump mentioned being told some stuff without evidence, I'm just pointing out that none of us have a clue about the reality on the ground in Iran. I simply asked whether you think it's possible that outside forces may wish to arm an insurrection, so do you? | |
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 12:09 - Jan 15 with 399 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 11:05 - Jan 15 by lowhouseblue |
are you really suggesting that the iranian intelligence services are a credible source? |
Nope. | |
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 12:14 - Jan 15 with 386 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 12:09 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Did you notice last night when Trump mentioned being told some stuff without evidence, I'm just pointing out that none of us have a clue about the reality on the ground in Iran. I simply asked whether you think it's possible that outside forces may wish to arm an insurrection, so do you? |
You are still missing the point. Aj Jazeera are actig as the mouthpiece of the brutal Iranian regime and publishing stores fed to them by the IRG without providing a shred of evidence. And by doing so they are feeding the Iranian line that this uprising is being led by foreign interference and not the Iranian people.
You may as well be saying "well Lord Haw Haw may be telling the truth about the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto being armed by the allies. None of us really have a clue about what's going on." | |
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 12:33 - Jan 15 with 352 views | lowhouseblue |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 12:09 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nope. |
so should a media outlet act as their mouth piece so that credulous westerners can sit at their keyboards and say "well i haven't seen it proven that it's not true"? [Post edited 15 Jan 12:49]
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 14:03 - Jan 15 with 303 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 12:33 - Jan 15 by lowhouseblue |
so should a media outlet act as their mouth piece so that credulous westerners can sit at their keyboards and say "well i haven't seen it proven that it's not true"? [Post edited 15 Jan 12:49]
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Tbf if GB hadn't publicised it I would be blissfully ignorant! | |
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 15:19 - Jan 15 with 238 views | DJR |
Interesting background. But I suppose three repressive regimes aren't that bothered about the treatment of the people of another repressive regime anyway, and they are "goodies" because they're our allies.
"Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Oman led efforts to talk US President Donald Trump out of an attack on Iran, fearing “grave blowbacks in the region”, a senior Saudi official told Agence France-Presse (AFP) on Thursday.
The Gulf trio “led a long, frantic, diplomatic last-minute effort to convince President Trump to give Iran a chance to show good intention”, the official told AFP on condition of anonymity, adding that dialogue was continuing.
According to AFP, the official added:
We told Washington that an attack on Iran would open the way for a series of grave blowbacks in the region.
It was a sleepless night to defuse more bombs in the region... the communication is still underway to consolidate the gained trust and the current good spirit.
Another Gulf official said “the message conveyed to Iran has been that an attack on US facilities in the Gulf would have consequences on relations with countries in the region”."
From Human Rights Watch.
Oman’s overly broad laws restrict the rights to freedom of expression, assembly and association. The authorities target peaceful activists, pro-reform bloggers, and government critics using short term arrests and detentions and other forms of harassment. Although the law states that all citizens are equal and bans gender-based discrimination, women face discrimination under the law in matters of divorce, inheritance, child custody and legal guardianship. Oman’s kafala (sponsorship) immigrant labor system and lack of labor law protections leaves the country’s more than 140,000 migrant domestic workers exposed to abuse and exploitation by employers.
Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has consolidated political and economic power, including as chairman of Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund (PIF), a sovereign wealth fund that has facilitated and benefited from rights abuses. PIF investments in high-profile sports and entertainment events domestically and internationally are used to whitewash the country’s abysmal human rights record. Migrant workers, including on PIF-funded projects, face widespread abuses under the kafala (sponsorship) system. Saudi Arabian authorities harshly repress any dissent, including by handing down long sentences or the death penalty after unfair trials on charges related to peaceful online expression.
Qatar’s hosting of the 2022 FIFA Men’s World Cup left a legacy of widespread migrant labor abuses, including thousands of unexplained deaths, rampant wage theft, and exorbitant recruitment fees. Qatari authorities and FIFA have failed to compensate abused workers who made the tournament possible. Migrant workers also faced new forms of exploitation after the tournament ended and are at risk of government backtracking on existing reforms. Qatari laws discriminate against women due to abusive male guardianship policies and against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) individuals. Authorities restrict free expression and have strengthened their surveillance capabilities. [Post edited 15 Jan 15:29]
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| Iranian State claiming 2000 protesters dead on 08:23 - Jan 17 with 112 views | DJR |
Not great news especially with a report on the World Service today suggesting that the authorities have regained control of the streets.
https://www.theguardian.com/wo
"Iran plans permanent break from global internet, say activists
Report claims unrestricted online access will be a ‘government privilege’, limited to individuals vetted by regime" [Post edited 17 Jan 8:26]
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