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About his time here and how much if it was the players not having it.
He was being asked to do a virtually impossible job after Evans flogged all the family silver, including the drawn out Waggy to Derby transfer debacle. I liked how Hurst spoke and a young coach at the end of Mick's time felt right.
I always remember us getting dumped out of the league cup at Exeter and Hurst (rightly imo) being pretty outspoken about it not being an acceptable performance. Chambo didn't seem too pleased n his own interview and seemed to indicate he was unhappy with the comments without directly calling it out.
You just got the feeling the senior players had got used to running things in a certain way under Mick and didn't feel that Hurst was qualified to take control.
Then there was the treatment of Knudsen and Bart. 'just because you've played at a world cup don't think it means you're first choice' etc. I kind of understood that from both angles but dropping Bart was bizarre.
Then there was all the stuff about Deputy Doig weighing the players in their underpants etc...
It seemed an unhappy ship from start.
A very short and dreadful period for the club but one where there seems like there's a fair few more stories to it.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 20:56 - Jan 14 with 832 views
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 20:51 - Jan 14 by BeachBlue
I heard that Doig told Chambers he was a better player than he'd ever Fe and offered him out for a fight during training. Hurst was late arriving after he left Shrewsbury as he went in holiday, turned up and spent his first day with his feet up on the desk. Watched us lose or draw to QPR, think it was his last game? The players were clearly ignoring his shouting from the touchline and at the end he shrugged his shoulders and walked off. The.n Lambert arrived and it got even worse!
Blimey. Just about says it all.
Doig and Chambo had been team mates at Northampton hadn't they.
I remember Hurst cutting a forlorn figure in games. But then we won finally at Swansea and I'm pretty sure I remember Chambo and Hurst hugging at end... So who knows.
Clearly things not good behind scenes though.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 21:14 - Jan 14 with 784 views
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 20:05 - Jan 14 by FrimleyBlue
I lost a lot of respect for our 'captain' chambers at that point.
arranging meetings with skuse and other players behind the managers back imo isn't on
It wasn't hurst's fault he got the job, he was a young manager who probably shouldn't have been hired but he tried to do it his way and it wasn't a good way, but that doesn't mean the skipper should go behind a managers back imo
This and his interview when he was released. He came across as someone who felt he was bigger than the club despite being our captain during the worst spell in our history. Having chatted to those who knew him away from the club his ego wouldn’t let him believe he was anything but integral to ITFC and a management/coaching position was inevitable. Compare with Skuse whose interview was very balanced and respectful.
Seeing Chambers on Sky these days really gets on my tits. He was an average player made to look slightly above average because of the dross around him.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 01:53 - Jan 15 with 644 views
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 21:58 - Jan 14 by SuffolkITFC
This and his interview when he was released. He came across as someone who felt he was bigger than the club despite being our captain during the worst spell in our history. Having chatted to those who knew him away from the club his ego wouldn’t let him believe he was anything but integral to ITFC and a management/coaching position was inevitable. Compare with Skuse whose interview was very balanced and respectful.
Seeing Chambers on Sky these days really gets on my tits. He was an average player made to look slightly above average because of the dross around him.
FWIW. I'm pretty confident a contract was discussed and 'offered'. Somewhat to carry out the role Keogh stepped in and did for us that season. He was absolutely gutted how the contract/ no contract played out.
I am also aware that he loved the club, however the Hurst era was farcical behind the scenes hence his need to step in along with senior players.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 06:43 - Jan 15 with 584 views
When Hurst arrived, I genuinely thought it might have been a new start. He came across ok in his first interview and anything had to be better than the stultifying anti-football of Mick, the acrimony when he left and the stench of decay at an ever declining football club.
I know, MiM did wonders with crumbs and his pragmatism propped us up longer than we had a right to expect. However, Hurst came across as bright, fresh, maybe a new George Burley. He had a good reputation as a young manager, along with the bloke that went to Sunderland, and his Shrewsbury team, Nolan n all, looked lively in the play offs. What could go wrong?
Er, everything. He hadn’t a clue. A later interview with Alan Lee who was at the club at the time was enlightening. In summary, Hurst was full of sht and out of his depth. We were relegated by the end of August. Humiliated. He did not have a clue beyond promising the moon on a stick and failing to deliver even the stick so the club’s descent down the pan accelerated.
Enter Lambert. He might steady the ship, thought I. Talked a good game. Trouble is he kept on talking……and talking. He was beyond awful and the ship sank. A good insight on him was from Darren Bent who came across him at Villa. He must have bored Evans into submission to rinse a five year contract out of the club. It took about 10 seconds of hard thinking at the time to conclude that it was insane.
Then there were the players. I don’t know them or what they had to deal with, but it’s fair to say that right up to and beyond when Evans left, nobody covered themselves in glory. Talk about unprofessional. It’s actually a reason why I don’t want Downes back here. I accept I’m being a little unfair on him - probably, but somehow anything that harks back to those desperate days feels wrong to me.
So back to Hurst, he’s the worst manager this club has ever had in my view and he’s up against some stiff opposition for that ‘accolade’. It all goes back to Evans who went a long way to destroying this club. It is to the current owners’ credit that they’ve done so much in five years. Given how much there is to do, it just goes to show the damage done by Evans and actually his predecessors from 2001 on.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 07:07 - Jan 15 with 558 views
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 21:58 - Jan 14 by SuffolkITFC
This and his interview when he was released. He came across as someone who felt he was bigger than the club despite being our captain during the worst spell in our history. Having chatted to those who knew him away from the club his ego wouldn’t let him believe he was anything but integral to ITFC and a management/coaching position was inevitable. Compare with Skuse whose interview was very balanced and respectful.
Seeing Chambers on Sky these days really gets on my tits. He was an average player made to look slightly above average because of the dross around him.
I disagree with both of you.
Chambers put his heart and soul into Ipswich. He wasn’t the greatest player, but he made the most of his ability.
And he cared enough to do something about it when Hurst was here. He could easily have been dropped or sent on his way, so he took quite a risk.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 08:06 - Jan 15 with 493 views
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:22 - Jan 14 by LankHenners
Yeah, there were many issues in his disastrous reign but the biggest one on the pitch was clearly that he took all the goals out of the team and didn't replace them properly.
Quite, was obvious two games in that that team just weren't going to score goals.
A truly dreadful manager who left the club far worse than when he arrived, all compounded with an appalling arrogance that made him think arguing with senior players was more constructive than getting them to work with him.
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 20:51 - Jan 14 by BeachBlue
I heard that Doig told Chambers he was a better player than he'd ever Fe and offered him out for a fight during training. Hurst was late arriving after he left Shrewsbury as he went in holiday, turned up and spent his first day with his feet up on the desk. Watched us lose or draw to QPR, think it was his last game? The players were clearly ignoring his shouting from the touchline and at the end he shrugged his shoulders and walked off. The.n Lambert arrived and it got even worse!
Hurst's last game was Leeds away.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 18:47 - Jan 14 by DanTheMan
Sold our best players, bought in players who weren't at all ready for the Championship and then blamed everyone else.
His career since leaving us suggests maybe he was more at fault than the players.
I think ME had a big part in that.
I think the conversation when Hurst had his interview would have been that there's no / very little money available for new signings, but a proportion of any fees generated by selling would be made available.
We then sold Webster (our best priced asset at the time) which allowed Hurst to make the signings he did. As he didn't have a lot to spend, he thought he would get better value by signing the best of the players from the division below.
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P 1180, W 517, D 302, L 361, F 1784, A 1452
90 / 92
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 08:23 - Jan 15 by ITFC_Forever
I think ME had a big part in that.
I think the conversation when Hurst had his interview would have been that there's no / very little money available for new signings, but a proportion of any fees generated by selling would be made available.
We then sold Webster (our best priced asset at the time) which allowed Hurst to make the signings he did. As he didn't have a lot to spend, he thought he would get better value by signing the best of the players from the division below.
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The big issue was, they weren't the best players from the division below - probably Jon Nolan aside.
We lost good solid Championship players and replaced them with 25 year olds from L1 and L2 who were never good enough for the Championship.
Permanent deals and in some cases good money spent on: Jordan Roberts Gwion Edwards Elis Harrison Jon Nolan Toto Nsiala Kayden Jackson Janoi Donacien
Bar Janoi Donacien who started 3 games for us in 23/24, and Kayden Jackson at Derby/here not a single one of those players ever started a Championship game before or after that disastrous 2018/19 season.
It's just utter garbage recruitment and you simply can't bounce back from that, if the players aren't good enough you will get relegated and we did. Even by the end of the window Evans and his advisers were putting the brakes on deals.
Hurst wanted to sign Deji Oshilaja from Wimbledon [who went on to play 19 CHamp games in his career for a relegated WImbledon] and Curtis TIlt [Played 25 Champ games in career] but Evans did the deal for Matt Pennington instead . Jon Walters was signed by the club and given to Hurst.
If the senior players weren't having him, it was because he had no idea what was required at this level and was showing it every day; he spent the whole time telling them they weren't as good as his Shrewsbury players.
We'd just finished the previous season 12th in the Championship and were looking to kick on - the most disastrous summer in the clubs history and luckily the reign was cut short. Just a shame Lambert couldn't build on that early momentum he brought in and then lost the plot
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 08:48 - Jan 15 by itfcjoe
The big issue was, they weren't the best players from the division below - probably Jon Nolan aside.
We lost good solid Championship players and replaced them with 25 year olds from L1 and L2 who were never good enough for the Championship.
Permanent deals and in some cases good money spent on: Jordan Roberts Gwion Edwards Elis Harrison Jon Nolan Toto Nsiala Kayden Jackson Janoi Donacien
Bar Janoi Donacien who started 3 games for us in 23/24, and Kayden Jackson at Derby/here not a single one of those players ever started a Championship game before or after that disastrous 2018/19 season.
It's just utter garbage recruitment and you simply can't bounce back from that, if the players aren't good enough you will get relegated and we did. Even by the end of the window Evans and his advisers were putting the brakes on deals.
Hurst wanted to sign Deji Oshilaja from Wimbledon [who went on to play 19 CHamp games in his career for a relegated WImbledon] and Curtis TIlt [Played 25 Champ games in career] but Evans did the deal for Matt Pennington instead . Jon Walters was signed by the club and given to Hurst.
If the senior players weren't having him, it was because he had no idea what was required at this level and was showing it every day; he spent the whole time telling them they weren't as good as his Shrewsbury players.
We'd just finished the previous season 12th in the Championship and were looking to kick on - the most disastrous summer in the clubs history and luckily the reign was cut short. Just a shame Lambert couldn't build on that early momentum he brought in and then lost the plot
Nailed it. I watched Martyn Waghorn in a podcast recently and got the impression that as soon as Hurst came in, he wanted out. I assume he must have made a pretty quick judgement.
Also shows that giving that much power to managers to pick their own players can be extremely dangerous. Mick done a great job with the limited resources but then look what happened.
It isn't suprising though as there was such a lack of investment in the infrasructre that I'd imagine ME relied on the managers to find their own players.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 09:18 - Jan 15 with 369 views
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 08:23 - Jan 15 by ITFC_Forever
I think ME had a big part in that.
I think the conversation when Hurst had his interview would have been that there's no / very little money available for new signings, but a proportion of any fees generated by selling would be made available.
We then sold Webster (our best priced asset at the time) which allowed Hurst to make the signings he did. As he didn't have a lot to spend, he thought he would get better value by signing the best of the players from the division below.
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He did spend a lot of money - relatively anyway. He had more money to spend than Mick ever did. He spent about £6m on Nsiala, Nolan, Edwards, Harrison, Jackson and Donacien? It was dreadful recruitment.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 09:24 - Jan 15 with 347 views
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 09:18 - Jan 15 by tractorboy1978
He did spend a lot of money - relatively anyway. He had more money to spend than Mick ever did. He spent about £6m on Nsiala, Nolan, Edwards, Harrison, Jackson and Donacien? It was dreadful recruitment.
Think that's unfair, his recruitment was spot on
for league 1 anyway.
after the excitement of joining ipswich he forgot what league we were in.
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:22 - Jan 14 by LankHenners
Yeah, there were many issues in his disastrous reign but the biggest one on the pitch was clearly that he took all the goals out of the team and didn't replace them properly.
To be fair the sale of Waghorn was probably out of his control. He was a massive miss not just for his goals but his assists as well
One day Bart will actually talk about it, and not that it needs it, will clear all this up. The Swansea win was the worst thing that could've happened - it gave him extra weeks.
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:14 - Jan 14 by Dubtractor
Just looking on a stats website and I think you're misremembering on the not being able to defend - we conceded 22 goals in his 14 games, which isn't a disastrous record for the bottom of the league team.
We'd only scored 11 though.
I recall us being organised and pragmatic but clearly without players remotely of the level to compete at Championship level, especially in attack. Jackson, Harrison and Sears were ouo striker options. And that was Sears post his decent spell for us under Mick.
And re the OP, Hurst came in billy big bollox and thought he could make his mark without needing to bring the senior players along with him. It was outstandingly naïve/arrogant of him to think that would work. I think he was entirely responsible for his own failings.
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22 goals in 14 games is pretty disastrous to be fair. You're certainly getting relegated if you ship 70+ goals a season.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 13:33 - Jan 15 with 186 views
Might be imagining this, but I'm sure someone on here once said a deal was done to sign Carter-Vickers permanently after his successful loan this season, however, Hurst wanted Toto instead.
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