| conservative twtd-ers 12:41 - Jan 15 with 1440 views | positivity |
do you think there is a future for the conservative party?
is the purge of the more extremist brexiteers like anderson, dorries, jenrick & zahawi (maybe barverman & badenoch to be the logical conclusion to this) a vital step to making them electable again?
is it best to relaunch as a kind of phoenix party at this stage? [Post edited 15 Jan 12:48]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 13:05 - Jan 15 with 1237 views | baxterbasics |
I think we're just going back through the cycle much like 97 to 2010. For a long time in that period it looked like they were done.
It might take a period of Reform having a sniff of power which would no doubt end in tears for them when they prove to be useless. Then former Conservative voters will return to the fold.
For this reason Kemi or her successor would be wise not to get into bed with them following a hung parliament. |  |
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| conservative twtd-ers on 13:23 - Jan 15 with 1160 views | J2BLUE |
| conservative twtd-ers on 13:05 - Jan 15 by baxterbasics |
I think we're just going back through the cycle much like 97 to 2010. For a long time in that period it looked like they were done.
It might take a period of Reform having a sniff of power which would no doubt end in tears for them when they prove to be useless. Then former Conservative voters will return to the fold.
For this reason Kemi or her successor would be wise not to get into bed with them following a hung parliament. |
It's hard to see where we go as a country if Reform get in. It will be a disaster and they will only have one five year period but in that time we will likely appease Russia and leave Europe to get on with it.
Labour have got to get it together and quickly. It's Starmer (or his replacement) or Farage. That's the choice. [Post edited 15 Jan 14:00]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 13:34 - Jan 15 with 1099 views | homer_123 |
There is a wider issue within politics at the moment that needs to be addressed.
Information (dis)/ AI
Politics is struggling to operate when large chunks of the public don’t trust what they see/hear, and when AI makes convincing fake content cheap, fast, and scalable. Leads to three particular issues:
1. Voters can’t easily tell what’s real
2. Elections become easier to disrupt
3. Law and regulation lag: governments struggling to catch up as deepfake abuse and political manipulation accelerate
That's your first one, I'd add to that a second...
Trade offs - standard of living and public services
Which is that governments are being pushed into painful, visible choices: pay and budgets, public services, taxes etc. all while we still feel squeezed.
In the UK, cost of living is still right at the top of what people say matters most, with immigration (wrongly, as I posted on this earlier in the week - it's however very much part of the narrative being spun and therefore on peoples minds) and the NHS close behind.
At the same time, public finances are tight, so politics becomes a fight over who absorbs the pain (wages, taxes, service cuts).
And global instability keeps landing on domestic politics, things like energy security, defence spending, the old “why are we paying for X abroad when Y at home is broken?” etc.
I'll add some final thoughts as well. Firstly, no grown up conversations either amongst parties themselves or the wider public, notably (but not limited to) around the NHS and Taxation for example. And finally, honesty and trust - in short, no now trusts politicians to any level or degree...
It's the least trusted profession to "tell the truth", in Ipsos’s long-running Veracity Index, trust typically in the low teens (11%). The Electoral Commission’s Public Attitudes 2025 research similarly finds only around 14% saying they trust politicians.
It's not just about lying though, "motives" are also problematic, a YouGov study found 67% think politicians are "mainly out for themselves", and only 4% think they primarily do what’s best for the country. That last one is very much something I feel has changed. People now go into politics as a career not for the betterment of the country or others.
So, all in all, a long winded way of saying it's not just the Tories that need to sort themselves out . |  |
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| conservative twtd-ers on 13:36 - Jan 15 with 1088 views | homer_123 |
| conservative twtd-ers on 13:23 - Jan 15 by J2BLUE |
It's hard to see where we go as a country if Reform get in. It will be a disaster and they will only have one five year period but in that time we will likely appease Russia and leave Europe to get on with it.
Labour have got to get it together and quickly. It's Starmer (or his replacement) or Farage. That's the choice. [Post edited 15 Jan 14:00]
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It's a bit like the discussion yesterday.
Feels like Hurst (Labour) is in charge at the moment and it's not going well. Lambert (Reform) is on the horizon and it's about to get much, much worse. | |
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| conservative twtd-ers on 13:38 - Jan 15 with 1066 views | positivity |
| conservative twtd-ers on 13:36 - Jan 15 by homer_123 |
It's a bit like the discussion yesterday.
Feels like Hurst (Labour) is in charge at the moment and it's not going well. Lambert (Reform) is on the horizon and it's about to get much, much worse. |
lambert got an ill-deserved 5 year contract too.
can i just hibernate until mckenna arrives? [Post edited 15 Jan 13:40]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 13:54 - Jan 15 with 976 views | GlasgowBlue |
As a former Tory member and voter I'd say the definitely do have a future. Kemi seems to have turned things around a bit. They are ahead of Labour in the polls and one of the latest polls had the Tories just a few points behind reform.
And we need a centre right party. So with the head bangers heading to reform that's what we will end up with.
There looks like being a realignment in British politics. Reform on the right. TheTories centre right. Labour centre left. The gReens left. I don't see what use the Lib Dems and Your party are. With a realignment the next logical step is proportional representation. [Post edited 15 Jan 13:58]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 13:55 - Jan 15 with 962 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Most of them have left by their own accord rather than it being a "purge" or "vital step" haven't they? Rats leaving a sinking ship rather than any kind of design.
I didn't think it was possible to choose a worse leader but they seem to manage it every time. Badenoch has improved in some eyes but she still seems hopelessly out of her depth to me, talks in very obvious/cliched stuff, and talks about stuff Labour should be doing that the Conservatives failed to do for 14 odd years, so just ends up looking silly. |  |
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| conservative twtd-ers on 13:58 - Jan 15 with 960 views | EddyJ |
The Tories need to differentiate themselves from Reform, rather than being a pale immitation. They can never beat Reform on immigration.
They should focus on centre-right fiscal policy and target a base of farmers, land-owners and upper middle class metropolitan types.
Once they have that base re-established, they can soften their message and start to target squeezed working people and pensioners. The message should be about slowly reducing tax burden and creating well paying jobs.
They need to find some credible/sensible business people to front the party. Avoid Etonians and populists. [Post edited 15 Jan 13:59]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 14:28 - Jan 15 with 883 views | cressi |
| conservative twtd-ers on 13:54 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue |
As a former Tory member and voter I'd say the definitely do have a future. Kemi seems to have turned things around a bit. They are ahead of Labour in the polls and one of the latest polls had the Tories just a few points behind reform.
And we need a centre right party. So with the head bangers heading to reform that's what we will end up with.
There looks like being a realignment in British politics. Reform on the right. TheTories centre right. Labour centre left. The gReens left. I don't see what use the Lib Dems and Your party are. With a realignment the next logical step is proportional representation. [Post edited 15 Jan 13:58]
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You was a Glasgow blue something I probably wouldn't admit to.
I will admit I have never voted Tory and certainly would not vote for that muppet Farage either. | | | |
| conservative twtd-ers on 14:28 - Jan 15 with 883 views | positivity |
| conservative twtd-ers on 13:54 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue |
As a former Tory member and voter I'd say the definitely do have a future. Kemi seems to have turned things around a bit. They are ahead of Labour in the polls and one of the latest polls had the Tories just a few points behind reform.
And we need a centre right party. So with the head bangers heading to reform that's what we will end up with.
There looks like being a realignment in British politics. Reform on the right. TheTories centre right. Labour centre left. The gReens left. I don't see what use the Lib Dems and Your party are. With a realignment the next logical step is proportional representation. [Post edited 15 Jan 13:58]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 14:53 - Jan 15 with 790 views | grow_our_own |
Agreed we need a low-tax, centre-right party. Keeps the left honest with our cash if nothing else. A Reform govt would be like five years of the death-throws of the Boris one. Lazy, bereft of ideas, and corrupt.
We'll get out of the managed-decline loop by being open to foreign talent, making it easier to build, and improving trade with Europe. Reform oppose all of these things. Their membership is aged and has little interest in economic growth. They'll have to live with the upheaval of growth, but won't be around to benefit. So Reform are wedded to policies that'll make us poorer. And that's before even starting on the constant culture war news-landfill with them in power.
Tories need a new David Cameron, but one who isn't willing to put the whole country all-in on a casino-referendum to appease the swivel-eyed right of the party. But most of all, we need proportional representation. Then centre-right voters won't feel like they've hobson's choice: hold nose & vote hard-right Reform, or left-of-centre Labour they consider profligate. [Post edited 15 Jan 16:48]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 15:01 - Jan 15 with 749 views | NthQldITFC |
| conservative twtd-ers on 13:34 - Jan 15 by homer_123 |
There is a wider issue within politics at the moment that needs to be addressed.
Information (dis)/ AI
Politics is struggling to operate when large chunks of the public don’t trust what they see/hear, and when AI makes convincing fake content cheap, fast, and scalable. Leads to three particular issues:
1. Voters can’t easily tell what’s real
2. Elections become easier to disrupt
3. Law and regulation lag: governments struggling to catch up as deepfake abuse and political manipulation accelerate
That's your first one, I'd add to that a second...
Trade offs - standard of living and public services
Which is that governments are being pushed into painful, visible choices: pay and budgets, public services, taxes etc. all while we still feel squeezed.
In the UK, cost of living is still right at the top of what people say matters most, with immigration (wrongly, as I posted on this earlier in the week - it's however very much part of the narrative being spun and therefore on peoples minds) and the NHS close behind.
At the same time, public finances are tight, so politics becomes a fight over who absorbs the pain (wages, taxes, service cuts).
And global instability keeps landing on domestic politics, things like energy security, defence spending, the old “why are we paying for X abroad when Y at home is broken?” etc.
I'll add some final thoughts as well. Firstly, no grown up conversations either amongst parties themselves or the wider public, notably (but not limited to) around the NHS and Taxation for example. And finally, honesty and trust - in short, no now trusts politicians to any level or degree...
It's the least trusted profession to "tell the truth", in Ipsos’s long-running Veracity Index, trust typically in the low teens (11%). The Electoral Commission’s Public Attitudes 2025 research similarly finds only around 14% saying they trust politicians.
It's not just about lying though, "motives" are also problematic, a YouGov study found 67% think politicians are "mainly out for themselves", and only 4% think they primarily do what’s best for the country. That last one is very much something I feel has changed. People now go into politics as a career not for the betterment of the country or others.
So, all in all, a long winded way of saying it's not just the Tories that need to sort themselves out . |
Agree. Think the disinformation/AI/trust issue is massive and world-changing.
We need truly open government.
If you look at everything from the most left wing government we've had - would that be Wilson? (before I was born) - to Thatcher for example then what we need is way outside of that in terms of methods/behaviour, not necessarily of policy.
I don't think the traditional parties are capable of enough change for what we need. And I don't think many of their supporters are capable of letting go of 'how things are done'.
For me, it's a massive shift towards social and environmental focus - but more important than that almost, it's true transparency. True accountability. People who serve for the sake of it not as a career. Policies which are radical if necessary and have an electoral return way beyond the electoral cycle.
I think the likes of Polanski is the way forward (policies too for me) but if there's centre/right government I'd like it to somehow have the same openness if that's possible. |  |
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| conservative twtd-ers on 15:31 - Jan 15 with 680 views | Clapham_Junction |
| conservative twtd-ers on 13:34 - Jan 15 by homer_123 |
There is a wider issue within politics at the moment that needs to be addressed.
Information (dis)/ AI
Politics is struggling to operate when large chunks of the public don’t trust what they see/hear, and when AI makes convincing fake content cheap, fast, and scalable. Leads to three particular issues:
1. Voters can’t easily tell what’s real
2. Elections become easier to disrupt
3. Law and regulation lag: governments struggling to catch up as deepfake abuse and political manipulation accelerate
That's your first one, I'd add to that a second...
Trade offs - standard of living and public services
Which is that governments are being pushed into painful, visible choices: pay and budgets, public services, taxes etc. all while we still feel squeezed.
In the UK, cost of living is still right at the top of what people say matters most, with immigration (wrongly, as I posted on this earlier in the week - it's however very much part of the narrative being spun and therefore on peoples minds) and the NHS close behind.
At the same time, public finances are tight, so politics becomes a fight over who absorbs the pain (wages, taxes, service cuts).
And global instability keeps landing on domestic politics, things like energy security, defence spending, the old “why are we paying for X abroad when Y at home is broken?” etc.
I'll add some final thoughts as well. Firstly, no grown up conversations either amongst parties themselves or the wider public, notably (but not limited to) around the NHS and Taxation for example. And finally, honesty and trust - in short, no now trusts politicians to any level or degree...
It's the least trusted profession to "tell the truth", in Ipsos’s long-running Veracity Index, trust typically in the low teens (11%). The Electoral Commission’s Public Attitudes 2025 research similarly finds only around 14% saying they trust politicians.
It's not just about lying though, "motives" are also problematic, a YouGov study found 67% think politicians are "mainly out for themselves", and only 4% think they primarily do what’s best for the country. That last one is very much something I feel has changed. People now go into politics as a career not for the betterment of the country or others.
So, all in all, a long winded way of saying it's not just the Tories that need to sort themselves out . |
I think another part of the problem is that one of the other least-trusted professions is journalists - which for many of them is fully deserved given the bias and disinformation that the likes of the Sun/Mail/Express have produced over the years (and I'd probably put the Telegraph in that category as well now).
The problem is that it's made a lot of people doubt the reliable news sources like the BBC, Times and Guardian, and combined with the mushrooming of social media, means large swathes of people are nearly impossible to reach in terms of getting the message out that they are being lied to (by people on social media and some of the mainstream media).
I honestly don't know how we can get out of this situation without some sort of pact between politicians that they will be honest with people and will present a united front against disinformation (never going to happen as some of them rely on it) or some hefty restrictions on social media (like a crackdown on accounts that spread misinformation, regardless of the stature of the individual, which is also never going to happen given who is in charge of it). |  | | |
| conservative twtd-ers on 15:41 - Jan 15 with 623 views | lowhouseblue |
| conservative twtd-ers on 15:31 - Jan 15 by Clapham_Junction |
I think another part of the problem is that one of the other least-trusted professions is journalists - which for many of them is fully deserved given the bias and disinformation that the likes of the Sun/Mail/Express have produced over the years (and I'd probably put the Telegraph in that category as well now).
The problem is that it's made a lot of people doubt the reliable news sources like the BBC, Times and Guardian, and combined with the mushrooming of social media, means large swathes of people are nearly impossible to reach in terms of getting the message out that they are being lied to (by people on social media and some of the mainstream media).
I honestly don't know how we can get out of this situation without some sort of pact between politicians that they will be honest with people and will present a united front against disinformation (never going to happen as some of them rely on it) or some hefty restrictions on social media (like a crackdown on accounts that spread misinformation, regardless of the stature of the individual, which is also never going to happen given who is in charge of it). |
trouble is that labelling one group of newspapers as 'bias and misinformation' and others as 'reliable news sources' is at least partially dependent on your own politics. unless you recognise that, it's impossible to draw a meaningful line between 'honest' and 'disinformation' - everyone will just draw it in a different place. everyone needs to allow for lots of things they politically disagree with being 'honest' and not 'disinformation, otherwise it all becomes a bit meaningless. so iran saying that protesters have been armed by america is misinformation, the daily mail say that immigration carries a net cost is a political opinion. |  |
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| conservative twtd-ers on 15:56 - Jan 15 with 592 views | DJR |
| conservative twtd-ers on 15:41 - Jan 15 by lowhouseblue |
trouble is that labelling one group of newspapers as 'bias and misinformation' and others as 'reliable news sources' is at least partially dependent on your own politics. unless you recognise that, it's impossible to draw a meaningful line between 'honest' and 'disinformation' - everyone will just draw it in a different place. everyone needs to allow for lots of things they politically disagree with being 'honest' and not 'disinformation, otherwise it all becomes a bit meaningless. so iran saying that protesters have been armed by america is misinformation, the daily mail say that immigration carries a net cost is a political opinion. |
The Telegraph is certainly a pale shadow of what it used to be, and I should know because I had a free digital subscription until recently through a friend.
https://www.facebook.com/Priva
And here's the start of a recent article in Private Eye: I would have read it at the time but can't gain access to the whole article online.
"REIGN OF ERROR
Former newspaper the Telegraph is now deemed so unreliable by other outlets that editors are instructing hacks not to repeat its stories, so likely are they to contain inaccuracies.
As well as the high-profile case of the family struggling with private school fees who turned out not to exist (Eyes 1650 and 1652), this year has also seen papers including the Express, Sun and Mail having to issue corrections after they copied a Telegraph story claiming one in 12 people in London was an “illegal migrant”. It turned out to be based on faulty stats – far from the first recent Torygraph story featuring dodgy immigration figures (see Eye 1641). [Post edited 15 Jan 16:01]
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| Always amazes me that.... on 16:01 - Jan 15 with 560 views | Bloots |
| conservative twtd-ers on 15:41 - Jan 15 by lowhouseblue |
trouble is that labelling one group of newspapers as 'bias and misinformation' and others as 'reliable news sources' is at least partially dependent on your own politics. unless you recognise that, it's impossible to draw a meaningful line between 'honest' and 'disinformation' - everyone will just draw it in a different place. everyone needs to allow for lots of things they politically disagree with being 'honest' and not 'disinformation, otherwise it all becomes a bit meaningless. so iran saying that protesters have been armed by america is misinformation, the daily mail say that immigration carries a net cost is a political opinion. |
....The Mirror Group (or whatever they are called these days) rarely get mentioned when it comes to the slagging off of the printed press, given the history of phone hacking and the delightful Robert Maxwell.
Not to mention his offspring.
But as you say it depends entirely on your political leaning, not exactly "TWTD friendly" I guess.
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| conservative twtd-ers on 16:03 - Jan 15 with 536 views | lowhouseblue |
| conservative twtd-ers on 15:56 - Jan 15 by DJR |
The Telegraph is certainly a pale shadow of what it used to be, and I should know because I had a free digital subscription until recently through a friend.
https://www.facebook.com/Priva
And here's the start of a recent article in Private Eye: I would have read it at the time but can't gain access to the whole article online.
"REIGN OF ERROR
Former newspaper the Telegraph is now deemed so unreliable by other outlets that editors are instructing hacks not to repeat its stories, so likely are they to contain inaccuracies.
As well as the high-profile case of the family struggling with private school fees who turned out not to exist (Eyes 1650 and 1652), this year has also seen papers including the Express, Sun and Mail having to issue corrections after they copied a Telegraph story claiming one in 12 people in London was an “illegal migrant”. It turned out to be based on faulty stats – far from the first recent Torygraph story featuring dodgy immigration figures (see Eye 1641). [Post edited 15 Jan 16:01]
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that's very bad and extremely poor journalism. but then, from another thread, we have this:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk
a paper going along with 'sources' who were pushing nonsense to cover their own dishonesty because it suited that paper's agenda. this stuff is rarely all one one side. [Post edited 15 Jan 16:04]
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| Always amazes me that.... on 16:05 - Jan 15 with 528 views | DJR |
| Always amazes me that.... on 16:01 - Jan 15 by Bloots |
....The Mirror Group (or whatever they are called these days) rarely get mentioned when it comes to the slagging off of the printed press, given the history of phone hacking and the delightful Robert Maxwell.
Not to mention his offspring.
But as you say it depends entirely on your political leaning, not exactly "TWTD friendly" I guess.
Horses for courses. |
Reach owns both the Express and the Mirror and has maintained the different political stances of each.
Reach certainly gets a lot of stick from Private Eye with its dramatic cuts to the number of journalists and reliance on online click-bait.
But then again, there ain't much money in journalism these days. [Post edited 15 Jan 16:06]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 16:23 - Jan 15 with 448 views | grow_our_own |
It's a question of regulation. We regulate TV so there's balance and accuracy because consumers don't have a wide selection of news outlets beaming into their living room. Newspapers were seen as a discretionary choice, so were always light-touch by comparison. If you walk into a shop and pick one with a red top, you know you're compromising news accuracy for entertainment & accessibility.
Social media should be treated more like TV than newspapers. Due to network effects, there are only a small quantity of usable platforms. People have little choice but to use the social network that everyone else is, just as people have little choice beyond watching BBC, ITV, or Sky News on TV. There's an oligopoly.
The algorithm should be transparent for starters. If Elon is dictating that emotive, reactionary slop is prioritised to the top of everyone's feeds, then that should be known. People should be made aware of how they're being manipulated when they open the app, the same as they're aware when they pick a red-top off the shelf.
Also Twitter had the right idea with ID verification for widely read accounts (the old blue-tick). It's unacceptable for Vladimir sitting in the basement of a St Petersburg troll-farm to pretend to be John from Sussex and influence millions.
Simple regulation like this would make a massive difference. [Post edited 15 Jan 17:31]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 16:39 - Jan 15 with 390 views | Whos_blue |
| conservative twtd-ers on 14:53 - Jan 15 by grow_our_own |
Agreed we need a low-tax, centre-right party. Keeps the left honest with our cash if nothing else. A Reform govt would be like five years of the death-throws of the Boris one. Lazy, bereft of ideas, and corrupt.
We'll get out of the managed-decline loop by being open to foreign talent, making it easier to build, and improving trade with Europe. Reform oppose all of these things. Their membership is aged and has little interest in economic growth. They'll have to live with the upheaval of growth, but won't be around to benefit. So Reform are wedded to policies that'll make us poorer. And that's before even starting on the constant culture war news-landfill with them in power.
Tories need a new David Cameron, but one who isn't willing to put the whole country all-in on a casino-referendum to appease the swivel-eyed right of the party. But most of all, we need proportional representation. Then centre-right voters won't feel like they've hobson's choice: hold nose & vote hard-right Reform, or left-of-centre Labour they consider profligate. [Post edited 15 Jan 16:48]
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A new David Cameron?
The same David Cameron who with George Osbourne were the architects of 14 long years of austerity?
If David Cameron is the answer, it scares me what the question is. |  |
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| conservative twtd-ers on 16:44 - Jan 15 with 365 views | ITFC_Forever |
The Conservatives last reign was so bad, and they took such a battering at the ballot box in July 2024, that they are currently the most busted of flushes.
Kemi is irrelevant and knows it, so spends half her time trying to pipe up with some weird hot take - but everyone ignores her anyway.
The Boris and Rishi years have ruined them with corruption and incompetence. Truss was utterly useless, May was dealt a bad hand and played it appallingly. Cameron started the rot by buying votes to appease the right by promising the referendum.
And Brexit has started the desperate situation we are in. Never mind the economic disadvantages, it has well and truly fragmented society. 52-48. One side or another. Black or white. This or that. There is no room for a middle ground or nuance - the playground bullies are shouting loudest, ruining it for everyone and no-one is able to shut them up.
Reform are attracting the dregs of the Boris regime, and are doing well in the polls and grabbing the headlines. They may even get enough votes to get into power - but the veneer will soon crack and peel away, and we'll be left with an even more corrupt and incompetent government than the last half a dozen years the Tories inflicted on us.
I like(d) Starmer and it was refreshing to hear an adult in charge. But he and Labour are making the mistake of trying to appease / appeal to the right - who decided they hate him long ago and are never going to change their minds. He'd be better off ignoring them and concentrating on the middle ground with sensible policies.
I don't think Starmer will last too much longer, and I hope Andy Burnham will come in to take over - but I think he enjoys it in Manchester too much and can't be doing with the hassle that being PM will bring.
The Greens and Liberals mean well, especially Zack, but they'll never have a big enough critical mass to ever be any more than side-attractions. [Post edited 15 Jan 19:26]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 16:50 - Jan 15 with 340 views | mellowblue |
| conservative twtd-ers on 15:56 - Jan 15 by DJR |
The Telegraph is certainly a pale shadow of what it used to be, and I should know because I had a free digital subscription until recently through a friend.
https://www.facebook.com/Priva
And here's the start of a recent article in Private Eye: I would have read it at the time but can't gain access to the whole article online.
"REIGN OF ERROR
Former newspaper the Telegraph is now deemed so unreliable by other outlets that editors are instructing hacks not to repeat its stories, so likely are they to contain inaccuracies.
As well as the high-profile case of the family struggling with private school fees who turned out not to exist (Eyes 1650 and 1652), this year has also seen papers including the Express, Sun and Mail having to issue corrections after they copied a Telegraph story claiming one in 12 people in London was an “illegal migrant”. It turned out to be based on faulty stats – far from the first recent Torygraph story featuring dodgy immigration figures (see Eye 1641). [Post edited 15 Jan 16:01]
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The Telegraph really need the ownership issue finally resolved, then some better leadership and a review of editorial direction and standards. They have been in decline for a decade now, but was bearable while the Alex cartoon still existed, once that was cancelled.... | | | |
| conservative twtd-ers on 16:57 - Jan 15 with 315 views | DJR |
| conservative twtd-ers on 16:50 - Jan 15 by mellowblue |
The Telegraph really need the ownership issue finally resolved, then some better leadership and a review of editorial direction and standards. They have been in decline for a decade now, but was bearable while the Alex cartoon still existed, once that was cancelled.... |
I used to love Alex which started off in the Independent. | | | |
| conservative twtd-ers on 17:12 - Jan 15 with 269 views | grow_our_own |
| conservative twtd-ers on 16:39 - Jan 15 by Whos_blue |
A new David Cameron?
The same David Cameron who with George Osbourne were the architects of 14 long years of austerity?
If David Cameron is the answer, it scares me what the question is. |
This is a discussion of conservative voters. Clearly you'll never be one. I probably never will either. But there's a world of difference between having low-tax, costed policies while we've relatively low debt, and a party whose policies scare the bejasus out of the bond market and hike everyone's mortgages. They're both austerity, just one isn't completely bat-sh!t. Not completely bat-sh!t would be a good first aim for the new right, which means someone more in the Cameron mould than Truss/Farage (and I agree with you that Cameron/Obsorne austerity went too far). [Post edited 15 Jan 17:26]
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| conservative twtd-ers on 17:23 - Jan 15 with 226 views | J2BLUE |
| conservative twtd-ers on 16:44 - Jan 15 by ITFC_Forever |
The Conservatives last reign was so bad, and they took such a battering at the ballot box in July 2024, that they are currently the most busted of flushes.
Kemi is irrelevant and knows it, so spends half her time trying to pipe up with some weird hot take - but everyone ignores her anyway.
The Boris and Rishi years have ruined them with corruption and incompetence. Truss was utterly useless, May was dealt a bad hand and played it appallingly. Cameron started the rot by buying votes to appease the right by promising the referendum.
And Brexit has started the desperate situation we are in. Never mind the economic disadvantages, it has well and truly fragmented society. 52-48. One side or another. Black or white. This or that. There is no room for a middle ground or nuance - the playground bullies are shouting loudest, ruining it for everyone and no-one is able to shut them up.
Reform are attracting the dregs of the Boris regime, and are doing well in the polls and grabbing the headlines. They may even get enough votes to get into power - but the veneer will soon crack and peel away, and we'll be left with an even more corrupt and incompetent government than the last half a dozen years the Tories inflicted on us.
I like(d) Starmer and it was refreshing to hear an adult in charge. But he and Labour are making the mistake of trying to appease / appeal to the right - who decided they hate him long ago and are never going to change their minds. He'd be better off ignoring them and concentrating on the middle ground with sensible policies.
I don't think Starmer will last too much longer, and I hope Andy Burnham will come in to take over - but I think he enjoys it in Manchester too much and can't be doing with the hassle that being PM will bring.
The Greens and Liberals mean well, especially Zack, but they'll never have a big enough critical mass to ever be any more than side-attractions. [Post edited 15 Jan 19:26]
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