| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. 12:17 - Jan 26 with 4676 views | SitfcB |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:45 - Jan 26 with 844 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:41 - Jan 26 by Herbivore |
The French have now started intercepting boats as part of new agreements with the UK. This is something politicians like Braverman, Zahawi and Jenrick weren't able to achieve when in government. Given that immigration is the only political issue you seem interested in, it's odd that you are so anti-Labour when they've done far more on the issue of immigration than their predecessors. It's also odd that you're planning to vote for a party that's now made up of the same people who were less effective at tackling immigration than Labour have been. It's almost like you aren't too clued up, Benters. |
EXACTLY. Like we're seeing in the US, facts don't actually matter. It's ignorant partisan nonsense rooted in deep hatred and bigotry.
What with Farridge's long term agenda and beliefs, I genuinely wonder what he thinks when following a multi-cultural football team? Does he not celebrate certain players or just pretend that it doesn't reach that level of real life? Just "crazy male madmen arriving in small boats" |  | | |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:45 - Jan 26 with 844 views | positivity |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:43 - Jan 26 by Benters |
I wish they didn’t come at all. |
wishes won't stop the boats, no matter how farage tries, you need to work with the french to stop them at source. this is what labour are doing.
odd that someone who claims to be anti-immigrant is so supportive of the farages, jenricks, bravermans who caused this whole crisis |  |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:46 - Jan 26 with 841 views | bournemouthblue |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:05 - Jan 26 by positivity |
well, farage did say it was the best budget in decades! kwarteng and truss next up? |
The statement will bite them in the ass when campaigning starts |  |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:51 - Jan 26 with 831 views | bournemouthblue |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 13:27 - Jan 26 by jasondozzell |
Sadly don't agree.
Farage's biggest issue was convincing he could form a government with a cabinet that was experienced.
He's slowly got figures in place to make that more credible (even if I as many here see them as having dreadful records).
It tells you a lot about Farage's mindset. He's serious about this.
Sadly everyone is waking up too late. All of this was inevitable as soon as Starmer was thrown through the door of number 10 by the press. Everyone wanted to pretend it was 1997. It wasn't.
Despairing at Reform voters, whilst maybe understandable, will only contribute to their success. You have to seek to understand.
We have a confluence of three factors: the country is broken, the petit bourgeois class and culture has expanded hugely in the last 25 years and has become mainstream, and Farage is the most able politician since Blair. |
Farage is a snake oilsman, he is good at conveying popularism and appealing to the disenfranchised
We have no evidence to suggest he is capable at actually running anything whilst he will appeal to rabid hard righters and the brainwashed who swing that way, he will horrify an equal number from the centre right Tories and Blairite Labour voters downards. I can see a lot of people voting for Labour simply to stop the horror of a reform government. [Post edited 26 Jan 14:58]
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:51 - Jan 26 with 831 views | JakeITFC |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 12:54 - Jan 26 by _CliveBaker_ |
Very odd strategy to try to position your party as one of change while filling it with the same tossers who served to create so much distrust and damage. |
Tbf Boris Johnson won an election on the premise of change when they were the incumbent! |  | | |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:53 - Jan 26 with 808 views | Herbivore |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:45 - Jan 26 by Benters |
Rubbish what is it now since Starmer has had the helm?
60k+have come across on rubber boats? |
Everything I've posted is factually accurate, Benters. Net migration is down. Deportations are up. The French are now intercepting boats which they haven't done previously, we have a returns agreement in place with them now as well. That's far more than the Tories managed. So why do you hate Labour so much? The one issue you care about and they are doing more to tackle it than any party previously has. What's the beef? |  |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:55 - Jan 26 with 794 views | bournemouthblue |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:51 - Jan 26 by JakeITFC |
Tbf Boris Johnson won an election on the premise of change when they were the incumbent! |
Boris won an election on a three word slogan 'get Brexit done' whatever that ultimatey meant
The general public are ambivalent to politics in the main and they get the government they deserve, we got 5 years of utter chaos ultimately
Labour have been pretty shambolic also but have taken the hit really for 14 years of the Tories being terrible, somewhat unfairly but that is politics
Reform are the wrong answer to the wrong question really but we are where we are [Post edited 26 Jan 14:57]
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:58 - Jan 26 with 777 views | J2BLUE |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:28 - Jan 26 by Benters |
Do you think those men in the rubber boats land on our beaches then ? |
Yes, sometimes.
I am sympathetic to people who want less immigration. Regardless of what some people say it IS a big issue for quite a lot of people for better or worse so it does need to be addressed.
However, you would have to be pretty desperate to pay someone a big chunk of your savings for a life jacket and a cramped seat on a rubber inflatable so we should have some empathy shouldn't we? They are human beings. Would you really expect the government to order people to let them drown? If you were given that order would you obey it? I wouldn't.
Being opposed to mass immigration for whatever reason doesn't mean we have to be monsters. |  |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:19 - Jan 26 with 737 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 12:34 - Jan 26 by Herbivore |
It's a measure of the average Reform voter that they haven't joined the dots yet and realised that a vote for Reform isn't a vote for change, it's a vote for people who are ideologically and now physically the same sh!te Tory government of 2019-2024. |
If I remember correctly, the Reform party and Labour both campaigned on a "change" agenda, but I may be wrong.
In any case, I don't remember what change they were promising. Did anyone actually tell us? |  |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:19 - Jan 26 with 738 views | jasondozzell |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:51 - Jan 26 by bournemouthblue |
Farage is a snake oilsman, he is good at conveying popularism and appealing to the disenfranchised
We have no evidence to suggest he is capable at actually running anything whilst he will appeal to rabid hard righters and the brainwashed who swing that way, he will horrify an equal number from the centre right Tories and Blairite Labour voters downards. I can see a lot of people voting for Labour simply to stop the horror of a reform government. [Post edited 26 Jan 14:58]
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Oh I don't doubt that a Reform government would be a disaster. After all, it will be hard right. We needed democratic socialism in 2019 as a response to the financial crisis and austerity. It wasn't allowed.
But I think Farage is a skillful politician. There's more there than just selling snake oil. But of course being a very capable politician and being a good leader are two different things.
I also think that many, including the establishment, are still unaware of the scale of anger in the country and the extent to which this present government is loathed.
I left the Labour party after it made clear that it wanted to 'shake off the fleas'. I won't vote for them again. I voted Green in 2024.
And if their election offering is 'vote for us or get Farage' they won't deserve anyone's votes. Like the Dems in 2024.
We need radical change and people with principles.. The old world is dead. My opinion for some time has been that it might take a political earthquake like the one that is coming to wake up people who have continued to try and reheat Blairism 25 years after its time. |  | | |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:21 - Jan 26 with 735 views | Herbivore |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:19 - Jan 26 by Cafe_Newman |
If I remember correctly, the Reform party and Labour both campaigned on a "change" agenda, but I may be wrong.
In any case, I don't remember what change they were promising. Did anyone actually tell us? |
Different colour rosettes, innit. | |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:22 - Jan 26 with 734 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:35 - Jan 26 by Benters |
I’ve already walked my 12’500 steps thank you. |
I'm sure you're a decent bloke and I mean this politely, but did it hurt when you got kicked in the head by the horse? |  | | |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:25 - Jan 26 with 716 views | Herbivore |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:19 - Jan 26 by jasondozzell |
Oh I don't doubt that a Reform government would be a disaster. After all, it will be hard right. We needed democratic socialism in 2019 as a response to the financial crisis and austerity. It wasn't allowed.
But I think Farage is a skillful politician. There's more there than just selling snake oil. But of course being a very capable politician and being a good leader are two different things.
I also think that many, including the establishment, are still unaware of the scale of anger in the country and the extent to which this present government is loathed.
I left the Labour party after it made clear that it wanted to 'shake off the fleas'. I won't vote for them again. I voted Green in 2024.
And if their election offering is 'vote for us or get Farage' they won't deserve anyone's votes. Like the Dems in 2024.
We need radical change and people with principles.. The old world is dead. My opinion for some time has been that it might take a political earthquake like the one that is coming to wake up people who have continued to try and reheat Blairism 25 years after its time. |
There really isn't anything more to Farage than selling snake oil. That's all he's got. He is successful because his brand of snake oil is palatable to wealthy media owners who want a low tax, low regulation state and don't mind if a bit of proto-fascism helps to deliver it. Farage has never shown himself to be remotely capable when in office and his parties have invariably been a disaster whenever they've got close to power. Look how terrible Reform are in local government, that will be our national government if they get in. | |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:34 - Jan 26 with 678 views | jasondozzell |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:25 - Jan 26 by Herbivore |
There really isn't anything more to Farage than selling snake oil. That's all he's got. He is successful because his brand of snake oil is palatable to wealthy media owners who want a low tax, low regulation state and don't mind if a bit of proto-fascism helps to deliver it. Farage has never shown himself to be remotely capable when in office and his parties have invariably been a disaster whenever they've got close to power. Look how terrible Reform are in local government, that will be our national government if they get in. |
Can't agree. He's easily the most significant politician in terms of the last 25 years. Who has had more of an effect on British politics in that time?
I am diametrically opposed to his views but think it is lazy thinking to simply dismiss him as a snake oil salesman. Of course he has wealthy backers with an interest in him succeeding. But he's an able politician. Of that there's no doubt. Maybe even since Thatcher.
Who is the better orator or strategist? Farage or Starmer? It's not a contest.
As I said, I don't doubt it will be a disaster with him in charge and Reform as a government. | | | |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:42 - Jan 26 with 649 views | Herbivore |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:34 - Jan 26 by jasondozzell |
Can't agree. He's easily the most significant politician in terms of the last 25 years. Who has had more of an effect on British politics in that time?
I am diametrically opposed to his views but think it is lazy thinking to simply dismiss him as a snake oil salesman. Of course he has wealthy backers with an interest in him succeeding. But he's an able politician. Of that there's no doubt. Maybe even since Thatcher.
Who is the better orator or strategist? Farage or Starmer? It's not a contest.
As I said, I don't doubt it will be a disaster with him in charge and Reform as a government. |
What is he good at aside from selling snake oil? He's a one trick pony. Point at Johnny Foreigner and spout stuff that sails very close to overt racism without crossing the line, rinse and repeat. There's nothing sophisticated about it. He's not some political mastermind. He's someone with a loud voice who has been platformed consistently beyond his level of popularity and significance (until recently) because the stuff he doesn't say loudly appeals to his wealthy backers. Please outline some of his strategising and political savvy for us so we can appraise his ability as a politician as opposed to a plummy gobshite who'd sell his own mother for a couple of hundred quid. [Post edited 26 Jan 15:50]
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:48 - Jan 26 with 629 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:34 - Jan 26 by jasondozzell |
Can't agree. He's easily the most significant politician in terms of the last 25 years. Who has had more of an effect on British politics in that time?
I am diametrically opposed to his views but think it is lazy thinking to simply dismiss him as a snake oil salesman. Of course he has wealthy backers with an interest in him succeeding. But he's an able politician. Of that there's no doubt. Maybe even since Thatcher.
Who is the better orator or strategist? Farage or Starmer? It's not a contest.
As I said, I don't doubt it will be a disaster with him in charge and Reform as a government. |
He is absolutely a snake oil salesman. Every single thing he has "offered" british politics would come under the definition of it.
"A snake oil salesman is a person who knowingly sells, promotes, or acts as a proponent of a fraudulent, ineffective, or worthless product, often posing as a "cure-all" or miraculous solution"
Farage in a nutshell. |  |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:49 - Jan 26 with 621 views | Guthrum |
These defections may actually be useful for the Conservatives. A load of the old dead wood, tainted by being part of the administrations which got them turfed out in 2024, being shed of their own accord.
Might actually allow the party to present itself as genuinely renewed in 2029. Tho they haven't yet made any real policy breaks. |  |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 16:05 - Jan 26 with 597 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:49 - Jan 26 by Guthrum |
These defections may actually be useful for the Conservatives. A load of the old dead wood, tainted by being part of the administrations which got them turfed out in 2024, being shed of their own accord.
Might actually allow the party to present itself as genuinely renewed in 2029. Tho they haven't yet made any real policy breaks. |
The One Nation wing are starting to mobalise which can only be a good thing
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 16:12 - Jan 26 with 574 views | N2_Blue |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 14:22 - Jan 26 by Benters |
100 % I will vote Reform as long as Chairman Starmer let’s us vote that is! |
And unfortunately this is why the country is screwed. Because of people who vote like you.
No problem with not siding with Starmer but how many people want to vote back in people that have already destroyed this country once and will do more irreparable damage if god forbid they are elected.
I really despair for this country. I hope more people have common sense to see what is happening. These defectors don’t care about you and the country it’s all self interest and you will be contributing to them becoming significantly better off at your expense. |  |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 16:30 - Jan 26 with 541 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:48 - Jan 26 by JammyDodgerrr |
He is absolutely a snake oil salesman. Every single thing he has "offered" british politics would come under the definition of it.
"A snake oil salesman is a person who knowingly sells, promotes, or acts as a proponent of a fraudulent, ineffective, or worthless product, often posing as a "cure-all" or miraculous solution"
Farage in a nutshell. |
And the fact under any kind of scrutiny or questioning he either doesn't appear for the interview or shouts that it is 'fake' to the journalist.
Sounds familiar doesn't it... |  | | |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 16:42 - Jan 26 with 513 views | iamatractorboy |
Part of me wonders if Farage will even want the PM job if, god help us, he gets in. Because that is an actual proper job requiring hard work and surely he wont be able to carry on with the dozen other jobs (or whatever it is) that he currently steals a living for. Or does he go down the Trump route, with some sort of crypto scam, fungible tokens, or even Farage/Reform branded tat, maybe light blue 'Make Britain Great Again' baseball cap rubbish? | | | |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 16:46 - Jan 26 with 498 views | positivity |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 16:42 - Jan 26 by iamatractorboy |
Part of me wonders if Farage will even want the PM job if, god help us, he gets in. Because that is an actual proper job requiring hard work and surely he wont be able to carry on with the dozen other jobs (or whatever it is) that he currently steals a living for. Or does he go down the Trump route, with some sort of crypto scam, fungible tokens, or even Farage/Reform branded tat, maybe light blue 'Make Britain Great Again' baseball cap rubbish? |
from his ideological bedfellow truss, he knows he can crash and burn the country, resign after a few weeks and still get a big old pension.
it's the grifter's dream, he'd love it and wouldn't give a second thought to the people who got him there... | |
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| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 16:54 - Jan 26 with 483 views | NedPlimpton |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 16:42 - Jan 26 by iamatractorboy |
Part of me wonders if Farage will even want the PM job if, god help us, he gets in. Because that is an actual proper job requiring hard work and surely he wont be able to carry on with the dozen other jobs (or whatever it is) that he currently steals a living for. Or does he go down the Trump route, with some sort of crypto scam, fungible tokens, or even Farage/Reform branded tat, maybe light blue 'Make Britain Great Again' baseball cap rubbish? |
He could still keep his personalised messages side hustle but just charge more
Imagine getting the PM to say happy birthday to your Nan for a couple of hundred quid! |  | | |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 17:03 - Jan 26 with 464 views | jasondozzell |
| Suella Braverman the latest to defect to Reform. on 15:42 - Jan 26 by Herbivore |
What is he good at aside from selling snake oil? He's a one trick pony. Point at Johnny Foreigner and spout stuff that sails very close to overt racism without crossing the line, rinse and repeat. There's nothing sophisticated about it. He's not some political mastermind. He's someone with a loud voice who has been platformed consistently beyond his level of popularity and significance (until recently) because the stuff he doesn't say loudly appeals to his wealthy backers. Please outline some of his strategising and political savvy for us so we can appraise his ability as a politician as opposed to a plummy gobshite who'd sell his own mother for a couple of hundred quid. [Post edited 26 Jan 15:50]
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