| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from 18:44 - Feb 11 with 8435 views | Plums |
Of course, he isn't talking about the sort of immigrants that are playing for his club or those that are paying huge sums to watch it. It'll be the 'other sort'
I hope he gets the backlash he deserves for this.
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| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 21:58 - Feb 11 with 1000 views | Swansea_Blue |
| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 21:41 - Feb 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
LOTS OF IDIOTS FAILING TO POST IN THE RIGHT SECTON IN THE PAST WEEK. |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 22:24 - Feb 11 with 950 views | TheBoyBlue |
Surprise surprise, another billionaire deflecting from the problem being people like him hoarding disproportionate amounts of money and making out it's all the immigrants who are to blame. |  |
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| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 22:25 - Feb 11 with 942 views | vapour_trail |
| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 21:41 - Feb 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
LOTS OF IDIOTS FAILING TO POST IN THE RIGHT SECTON IN THE PAST WEEK. |
He’s a major share owner of one of the biggest football clubs in the country and all coverage of his comments feature condemnation from various Manchester United supporter groups.
Maybe wind your neck in, and turn your caps lock off, looks a bit simple. |  |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 22:29 - Feb 11 with 913 views | Dubtractor |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 21:34 - Feb 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Hasn't he colonised Monaco? |
The use of the word colonised is deliberate and disgusting. Just another step along the way towards abuse towards all non white brits being fair game.
This country is heading to a dark place. |  |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 22:29 - Feb 11 with 908 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 21:58 - Feb 11 by DJR |
You can't tar Bill Gates with that brush.
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Until recently I actually thought he was a good one. I know. In my defence I still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy. | |
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| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 22:33 - Feb 11 with 886 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 22:25 - Feb 11 by vapour_trail |
He’s a major share owner of one of the biggest football clubs in the country and all coverage of his comments feature condemnation from various Manchester United supporter groups.
Maybe wind your neck in, and turn your caps lock off, looks a bit simple. |
You know I'm right, bore off to the other section.
Its not a football post. |  |
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| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 22:35 - Feb 11 with 870 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 21:52 - Feb 11 by Plums |
This is in the correct section. He's the owner of one of the world's largest football clubs and if you actually bother to read my post you will see I specifically referred to their players and fans.
Sorry you don't like it but I object to being referred to as an idiot. Go and use your angry caps somewhere else. |
Wrong section.
It's clearly a political post. | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 22:41 - Feb 11 with 852 views | noggin |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 19:12 - Feb 11 by nrb1985 |
Other than owning the best pub in london the bloke is an absolute tit. |
I didn't know he owns The Blue Posts on Berwick Street. [Post edited 11 Feb 22:44]
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| Silly sausage on 22:57 - Feb 11 with 798 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 22:35 - Feb 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Wrong section.
It's clearly a political post. |
Do you want to complain to Sky too?
SSN is now featuring it as he is heavily involved in Man Utd, fans groups have responded, Kick It Out has felt the need to comment, and they are now discussing the impact on players too.
Would you say that anything controversial and clearly racist posted by anyone involved with ITFC would absolutely belong on the football section on here? |  |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 22:57 - Feb 11 with 798 views | backwaywhen |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 19:02 - Feb 11 by BlueBadger |
He's going to be furious when he finds out how many of Man United's fan base isn't from the UK. |
That’s obviously not what he is referring too this is all about illegals and the ones that come here and do nothing but sponge of the tax paying workers off this once great country, the whole thing is a mess simple as that . | | | |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 22:59 - Feb 11 with 795 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 22:57 - Feb 11 by backwaywhen |
That’s obviously not what he is referring too this is all about illegals and the ones that come here and do nothing but sponge of the tax paying workers off this once great country, the whole thing is a mess simple as that . |
Can you give me an example of how an "illegal" sponges of [sic] the tax paying workers off [sic] this once great country? And then begin to unpack why this country is no longer great (clue it isn't because it has been bled dry by "illegals"). | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:04 - Feb 11 with 773 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 22:59 - Feb 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Can you give me an example of how an "illegal" sponges of [sic] the tax paying workers off [sic] this once great country? And then begin to unpack why this country is no longer great (clue it isn't because it has been bled dry by "illegals"). |
Plus he said the UK has been colonised by immigrants. He did not reference "illegals" whatever they are.
It is remarkable that so many immigrants and descendants of immigrants are decrying immigration without any sense of irony.
What do you actually think "colonised by immigrants" really means? | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:06 - Feb 11 with 765 views | backwaywhen |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:04 - Feb 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Plus he said the UK has been colonised by immigrants. He did not reference "illegals" whatever they are.
It is remarkable that so many immigrants and descendants of immigrants are decrying immigration without any sense of irony.
What do you actually think "colonised by immigrants" really means? |
Another head in the sand moment for you there fella ! | | | |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:09 - Feb 11 with 751 views | Dubtractor |
Decent response from Starmer, but Lisa nandy's comments in here are gutless beyond belief.
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:13 - Feb 11 with 740 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:06 - Feb 11 by backwaywhen |
Another head in the sand moment for you there fella ! |
Is that an admission that you can't answer my points?
Let me summarise them again.
What do YOU mean by an illegal (which to me is a horrible offensive and unthinking term picked from the extreme right to demonise all immigrants)? The very fact you are equating Ratcliffe's comments about immigrants as meaning illegals suggests that you are equating the two.
What do you think is causing the UK's regression? How? | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:14 - Feb 11 with 736 views | StokieBlue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:06 - Feb 11 by backwaywhen |
Another head in the sand moment for you there fella ! |
It's very telling that people who say the things you have never actually respond with evidence when they are asked for it.
Instead we get "head in the sand moment" nonsense.
It's frustrating, debate is dying, soundbites and feelings are overtaking reasoning and evidence.
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:18 - Feb 11 with 732 views | Churchman |
This man, who lives in Monaco, isn’t worth listening to. This is an interesting article though.
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:18 - Feb 11 with 732 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:13 - Feb 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Is that an admission that you can't answer my points?
Let me summarise them again.
What do YOU mean by an illegal (which to me is a horrible offensive and unthinking term picked from the extreme right to demonise all immigrants)? The very fact you are equating Ratcliffe's comments about immigrants as meaning illegals suggests that you are equating the two.
What do you think is causing the UK's regression? How? |
Karveh Solhekol is now debunking his lies.
The UK population has gone up by 12 million since 2000 when the actual figure from the ONS is 3 million. That is population growth not immigration.
Kick It Out's statement says "Sir Jim Ratcliffe's comments are "disgraceful" and "this type of language and leadership has no place in English football"" | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:23 - Feb 11 with 710 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 22:57 - Feb 11 by backwaywhen |
That’s obviously not what he is referring too this is all about illegals and the ones that come here and do nothing but sponge of the tax paying workers off this once great country, the whole thing is a mess simple as that . |
Maybe I’m naive here, but wouldn’t it be better to consider the actual words he said, rather than the ones you’ve imagined in your head?
He was lying. That’s all there is to it. Not ‘oh well, he obviously didn’t mean immigrants when he said immigrants”.
But I can see he’s reached his target audience. | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:23 - Feb 11 with 711 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:18 - Feb 11 by Churchman |
This man, who lives in Monaco, isn’t worth listening to. This is an interesting article though.
https://news.sky.com/story/how |
He isn't. But people do.
I think it is important that those who promote the demonisation of immigrants are challenged to support their claims. It is the only way we can hope that the extremism can be properly rooted out. Leaving it unchallenged won't. Screaming abuse or simply replying with "you've got your head buried in the sand" won't.
If we are to avoid the march into fascism, we need to stand up for those we don't identify with ourselves. For me, that is immigrants amongst others. | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:35 - Feb 11 with 688 views | Churchman |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:23 - Feb 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He isn't. But people do.
I think it is important that those who promote the demonisation of immigrants are challenged to support their claims. It is the only way we can hope that the extremism can be properly rooted out. Leaving it unchallenged won't. Screaming abuse or simply replying with "you've got your head buried in the sand" won't.
If we are to avoid the march into fascism, we need to stand up for those we don't identify with ourselves. For me, that is immigrants amongst others. |
True.
Is not a tactic of ignoring the idiot and denying him the oxygen of publicity a fair tactic? Not going to happen.
I find it all a little bewildering. As has been pointed out, most peoples’ ancestors came from somewhere else (if not all). My guess is some of mine rocked over with the Anglo Saxons (6c) and others with the Norman invasion 1066. I did one of those ancestry DNA things the other week and that might give me a clue - but only from a curiosity point of view. The more odd the better!
People are people. Take it beyond that simple phrase and we head down a very dark path to what’s been seen far too many times throughout history and of course now. And that’s something I have never accepted and never will [Post edited 11 Feb 23:36]
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| post in the football section! on 23:52 - Feb 11 with 649 views | positivity |
| POST ON THE OTHER SECTION. on 22:35 - Feb 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Wrong section.
It's clearly a political post. |
big story on the bbc football website.
where should we put stories on football referees suffering homophobic attacks?
ipswich players wearing or not wearing rainbow laces?
leicester getting a points deduction?
player's choice of boots?
if sir dim wasn't a football chairman, it wouldn't be as big a story | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:58 - Feb 11 with 630 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:23 - Feb 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He isn't. But people do.
I think it is important that those who promote the demonisation of immigrants are challenged to support their claims. It is the only way we can hope that the extremism can be properly rooted out. Leaving it unchallenged won't. Screaming abuse or simply replying with "you've got your head buried in the sand" won't.
If we are to avoid the march into fascism, we need to stand up for those we don't identify with ourselves. For me, that is immigrants amongst others. |
Talking about challenging, Sky News were piss poor in that interview. Not one untruth out of several was challenged. It’s a continuing failure of journalism that we’re becoming used to.
He was wrong about population growth
He was wrong about the rate and numbers of immigration growth
He was wrong about the number of people on benefits
He was wrong about the number of immigrants in benefits
He was wrong that Labour weren’t addressing immigration numbers
He didn’t actually get actually anything right in terms of the figures or overall conclusions he was throwing out. He was wildly out in most cases.
I’m trying to think if there was a valid point anywhere in what he said. I’m struggling. He was even wrong when saying Starmer was too nice to do difficult things that would make him unpopular! Has he checked Starmer’s rating lately?
It sounds like he has absolutely no idea what’s happening in the UK and is just parroting whatever balls Farage told him. How do these people manage to run businesses (albeit extremely badly in Man U’s case)? | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:59 - Feb 11 with 629 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:35 - Feb 11 by Churchman |
True.
Is not a tactic of ignoring the idiot and denying him the oxygen of publicity a fair tactic? Not going to happen.
I find it all a little bewildering. As has been pointed out, most peoples’ ancestors came from somewhere else (if not all). My guess is some of mine rocked over with the Anglo Saxons (6c) and others with the Norman invasion 1066. I did one of those ancestry DNA things the other week and that might give me a clue - but only from a curiosity point of view. The more odd the better!
People are people. Take it beyond that simple phrase and we head down a very dark path to what’s been seen far too many times throughout history and of course now. And that’s something I have never accepted and never will [Post edited 11 Feb 23:36]
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As you say, he is given oxygen by our media. If we don't engage his comments are accepted unchallenged. Maybe they will be accepted by many regardless but I cannot in good faith leave them unchallenged. Martin Niemoller's words ring far too true.
The one lesson of history is that we never learn the lessons of history. It may not repeat but it rhymes.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do (or say) nothing.
Miguel Delaney (an Irish immigrant to the UK and a reporter) has just made the point that Ratcliffe's comments are about the families of Manchester United's players. Much as in the minds of the one on here shouting "illegals" they aren't who they mean. But they are. They really are. That's why I want the one shouting "illegals" to say what they actually mean and then to make the connections that it isn't immigrants who are damaging the country. They are a convenient scapegoat for those who really are. | |
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| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 00:10 - Feb 12 with 587 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sir Dim needs to have a look at where his income is coming from on 23:58 - Feb 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Talking about challenging, Sky News were piss poor in that interview. Not one untruth out of several was challenged. It’s a continuing failure of journalism that we’re becoming used to.
He was wrong about population growth
He was wrong about the rate and numbers of immigration growth
He was wrong about the number of people on benefits
He was wrong about the number of immigrants in benefits
He was wrong that Labour weren’t addressing immigration numbers
He didn’t actually get actually anything right in terms of the figures or overall conclusions he was throwing out. He was wildly out in most cases.
I’m trying to think if there was a valid point anywhere in what he said. I’m struggling. He was even wrong when saying Starmer was too nice to do difficult things that would make him unpopular! Has he checked Starmer’s rating lately?
It sounds like he has absolutely no idea what’s happening in the UK and is just parroting whatever balls Farage told him. How do these people manage to run businesses (albeit extremely badly in Man U’s case)? |
To be fair on whoever did the interview at the time, I doubt they had the information to hand to fact check it. That was the tactic of the Brexit campaign - release an inflammatory statement based around falsehoods and exaggerations just before prime time news. By the time it was fact-checked and challenged, the message they wanted was already widely received.
As I said, Karveh Solhekol was making the corrections on SSN late this evening.
As for what he was right about ... he did say he was prepared to take the tough and unpopular decisions when running Man Utd. | |
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