| Psychological effect on players 11:07 - Feb 14 with 1058 views | Bramidan |
Just a question. Do you reckon that when a manager effectively writes off a game by making 10 changes, this feeds through to the players.
I wondered if it affects their attitude so that there is no real passion to win. “What’s the point”
I know there should be professional pride but the “edge” is not there.
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| Psychological effect on players on 11:16 - Feb 14 with 1004 views | Guthrum |
I wouldn't say making changes does 'write off the game'. Football is a whole-squad thing nowadays, not First Team and Bench/Reserves.
It's more an opportnity for some to get extra game-time and others to show their worth to manager and fans. The fact that didn't work last night does not change the intent. |  |
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| Psychological effect on players on 11:58 - Feb 14 with 917 views | Nutkins_Return |
To some degree but nobody was downing tools last night. We weren't as awful as people are making out on here. We didn't make it a kitchen sink affair but that was never likely.
We had some excellent chances particularly in the second half. Clarke had to score that chance at the end. Not sure what he was doing but looked more concentration.
We weren't at it 100℅. I don't think McKenna had them absolutely pumped for.it. You cant and do that every game or it loses value (funnily enough I think we have seen that with lampard a bit. Lampard is massively emotional with defeats etc. He's a good man manager when going well but his career to date has always struggles to right the ship). McKenna is very good at staying balanced. He had them prepared and with a gameplan.We lost a close game. But we won't lose heads over it. We will be prepared with a stronger side for the weekend. | |
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| Psychological effect on players on 12:01 - Feb 14 with 906 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
You don't think the psychological effect is for them to try and give the manager a selection headache? No? |  |
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| Psychological effect on players on 12:04 - Feb 14 with 894 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Psychological effect on players on 12:01 - Feb 14 by Cheltenham_Blue |
You don't think the psychological effect is for them to try and give the manager a selection headache? No? |
You'd hope that would be the case but then you look at that side last night and none of them are getting in next weeks lineup.. it picks itself
Walton
Davis
Kipre
Oshea
Furlong
Azor
Neil
Clarke
Mehmeti
Burns/mcateer
Azon |  |
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| Psychological effect on players on 14:37 - Feb 14 with 749 views | Radlett_blue |
Yes. Making an above average number of changes & playing squad players who haven't been getting a look in makes it very clear to the players on both teams that the game isn't important to the club. While it doesn't mean the players don't try, in professional football if you're only at 95% and the opposition are at 100% (more likely if we are playing away) it won't be an easy game. A message is also sent to the opposition that the game isn't important, which will naturally encourage the opposition that they have been given a great chance.
I wasn't remotely surprised that we lost last night. |  |
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| Psychological effect on players on 14:40 - Feb 14 with 742 views | MattinLondon |
No. They are professional footballers who are used to losing matches and each time they aim to put it right. To get to where they are, they a must be hugely competitive and always try to want to put in a good performance |  | | |
| Psychological effect on players on 14:42 - Feb 14 with 737 views | PioneerBlue |
Yes plus they are not put in a structure or position to succeed. Ever been to a trial, its usually not pretty but there you have a bunch of players doing their things. At the professional level there are few excuses given all they do is train and they should be used to working with each other across the positions they are selected for. So its either the manager and coaching staff not adequately preparing them or the players not being at it 100pc.
What else can it be to turn put such adject cup performances year after year? Its not like the opposition is 100 perfect either but we are so often really off it, sometimes we scrape though other times we dont. | |
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| Psychological effect on players on 15:04 - Feb 14 with 700 views | Bellevue_Blue |
This is one of the more ridiculous takes I've seen this last night.
If you were given an opportunity at work to impress in the place of a more senior colleague, would you simply say “What’s the point”?
Ben Johnson has started 4 times all season.
Dan Neil is playing for a contract in the summer.
George Hirst has scored three times since September and is playing to go to a World Cup.
Elkan Baggot is trying to prove he's good enough for the level.
You could go on and on, there are external motivations for every player.
When KM makes 10 changes, he is putting a question to every single one of those players that comes in.
Why would their reaction be whats the point? [Post edited 14 Feb 15:06]
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| Psychological effect on players on 15:04 - Feb 14 with 699 views | BloomBlue |
They're human beings, they know football teams don't win every game, even teams like ManC, Chelsea who have spent near £1billion, don't win every game.
Its also a job, sometimes you have excellent days at work, sometimes poor days. For example, when I worked if I had a bad night's sleep my performance the next day wasn't as good as normal |  | | |
| Psychological effect on players on 16:24 - Feb 14 with 629 views | OldFart71 |
| Psychological effect on players on 12:04 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue |
You'd hope that would be the case but then you look at that side last night and none of them are getting in next weeks lineup.. it picks itself
Walton
Davis
Kipre
Oshea
Furlong
Azor
Neil
Clarke
Mehmeti
Burns/mcateer
Azon |
I think the midfield will be Matisuwa and Cajuste or Taylor and the backline will be Davis,Greaves O'Shea and Furlong,
The rest will be as you say. | | | |
| Psychological effect on players on 16:35 - Feb 14 with 595 views | WeWereZombies |
| Psychological effect on players on 12:04 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue |
You'd hope that would be the case but then you look at that side last night and none of them are getting in next weeks lineup.. it picks itself
Walton
Davis
Kipre
Oshea
Furlong
Azor
Neil
Clarke
Mehmeti
Burns/mcateer
Azon |
Good point...
except...
for your suggested line for the next game you have included Neil and Kipré who started last night and the option of Burns or McAteer and McAteer started last night. And O'Shea came on at half time. Clarke and Mehmeti and Azon later in that half. So, apart from those six all good... |  |
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| Psychological effect on players on 16:43 - Feb 14 with 568 views | WestSussexBlue |
Definitely not, they’re part of the squad, the team the club. There’s a professionalism whether you’re in a starting Eleven for a league fixture or a cup game. There’s not a chance that players with a different mindset would be part of this football club or at least not for very long. | | | |
| Psychological effect on players on 10:31 - Feb 15 with 405 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Psychological effect on players on 16:35 - Feb 14 by WeWereZombies |
Good point...
except...
for your suggested line for the next game you have included Neil and Kipré who started last night and the option of Burns or McAteer and McAteer started last night. And O'Shea came on at half time. Clarke and Mehmeti and Azon later in that half. So, apart from those six all good... |
Of course but id assume the poster would have been referring to those bit part players.
EB
Johnson
Greaves
Egeli
Akpom
Cajuste
None showed anything to say pick me next week and they wouldnt be in the town first 11 if you had to select one. | |
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| Psychological effect on players on 12:05 - Feb 15 with 332 views | WeWereZombies |
| Psychological effect on players on 10:31 - Feb 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Of course but id assume the poster would have been referring to those bit part players.
EB
Johnson
Greaves
Egeli
Akpom
Cajuste
None showed anything to say pick me next week and they wouldnt be in the town first 11 if you had to select one. |
I thought Cajuste was the one player who did his cause no harm on Friday night, he was on for the entire game for once and got as close as any of our two in midfield or three behind the striker to be able to be described as marauding...
Greaves should have got in front of Windass to prevent their goal but apart from that didn't do much wrong (which is more than can be said for Kipré in the last three games) and Akpom looked our most likely player to get a goal until subbed. So four players who I think could still do a job in the league match when they have Matusiwa, Davis and Furlong around them.
Agreed Baggott looked shaky and gave away possession to Longman too easily for the goal but he won't fulfill his potential if he isn't played and I think there is more to come from him. Johnson is a strange one as he does good things and then he does bad things, like Hirst he might be lacking confidence and just two or three passes and crosses warmly applauded by the crowd short of getting his mojo back. Egeli was playing in a new role in a much changed team and had an off day, weirdly for such a young player he always looks like it is water off a ducks back and he will just brush it off and correct it next game, he's one of those cool Norwegians and it is the social media bedwetters doing 'The Scream'. [Post edited 15 Feb 12:28]
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| Psychological effect on players on 12:49 - Feb 15 with 292 views | J2BLUE |
No, it's a lazy theory. That game was clearly not written off. |  |
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| Psychological effect on players on 13:08 - Feb 15 with 261 views | Ryorry |
Anyone who regularly plays any sport when they don’t have to, from doddery pensioners playing walking football to elite professionals playing in the EPL, has a natural competitive spirit which means that they never, ever stop trying to win, or come back from a losing position. If you don’t have that you wouldn’t be competing or last long.
Worth adding that I’ve never experienced anything as fiercely competitive as our old crocks walking football players, including elbows from men on women (not complaining, love being treated as an equal!). |  |
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| Psychological effect on players on 13:11 - Feb 15 with 253 views | GlasgowBlue |
Southampton made 10 changes yesterday and won the game. |  |
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| Psychological effect on players on 14:07 - Feb 15 with 188 views | blueislander |
| Psychological effect on players on 12:05 - Feb 15 by WeWereZombies |
I thought Cajuste was the one player who did his cause no harm on Friday night, he was on for the entire game for once and got as close as any of our two in midfield or three behind the striker to be able to be described as marauding...
Greaves should have got in front of Windass to prevent their goal but apart from that didn't do much wrong (which is more than can be said for Kipré in the last three games) and Akpom looked our most likely player to get a goal until subbed. So four players who I think could still do a job in the league match when they have Matusiwa, Davis and Furlong around them.
Agreed Baggott looked shaky and gave away possession to Longman too easily for the goal but he won't fulfill his potential if he isn't played and I think there is more to come from him. Johnson is a strange one as he does good things and then he does bad things, like Hirst he might be lacking confidence and just two or three passes and crosses warmly applauded by the crowd short of getting his mojo back. Egeli was playing in a new role in a much changed team and had an off day, weirdly for such a young player he always looks like it is water off a ducks back and he will just brush it off and correct it next game, he's one of those cool Norwegians and it is the social media bedwetters doing 'The Scream'. [Post edited 15 Feb 12:28]
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None of these suggested teams has Nunez and Philogene in them. Didn’t Mckenna say they would be back to full training this week. I am intrigued as to whether he would select Mehmity and Nunez to play together. There is great creativity there. | | | |
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