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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda 20:34 - Mar 13 with 5934 views

Pushed by local plod and Ashton pushing back.against it...

(From Ashton's interview)

Fair dos to the club for not rolling over on this. Absolute joke of a proposal that should be resisted at every level imho. I'd happily suggest a fundraiser to do a JR on the decision if it did happen. Such a backwards way of policing - putting restrictions on all Towen fans because of a concern of poor behaviour of a small fraction.

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 06:53 - Mar 14 with 1356 views

FrimleyBlue

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 06:26 - Mar 14 by ITFC_Forever
Pompey game didn’t exist when the decision was made to play Norwich Saturday lunchtime.

Wasn't that the most obvious date though?

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:09 - Mar 14 with 1324 views

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 06:53 - Mar 14 by FrimleyBlue
Wasn't that the most obvious date though?

Not necessarily.

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:15 - Mar 14 with 1313 views

noggin

A bubble for the Old Farm derby would actually be embarrassing. Are the police suggesting they can't handle a dozen spotty teenagers who have been on the Fosters and chalk dust?
They should be more concerned about Leif Davis playing. His violent conduct is off the scale.

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:24 - Mar 14 with 1292 views

WestStanderLaLaLa

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 21:02 - Mar 13 by yesjohn99
Norfolk Plod and NCFC wanted Friday evening kick off. Coach and horses even offered as designated away pub. Suffolk plod and ITFC insisted on different arrangements.

So Norfolk plod were happy to police a Friday night game and all that entails but want a bubble because more people than normal will drive to a 12:30 KO. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, unless they also wanted to bubble the Friday.

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:33 - Mar 14 with 1259 views

ITFC_Forever

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:24 - Mar 14 by WestStanderLaLaLa
So Norfolk plod were happy to police a Friday night game and all that entails but want a bubble because more people than normal will drive to a 12:30 KO. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, unless they also wanted to bubble the Friday.

For a Friday game, a higher proportion will get the train, so it’s easier monitor everyone in one place.

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:39 - Mar 14 with 1238 views

SitfcB

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 06:53 - Mar 14 by FrimleyBlue
Wasn't that the most obvious date though?

The Norwich game was announced before the original Portsmouth game.

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:44 - Mar 14 with 1225 views

Benters

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 20:41 - Mar 13 by SitfcB
Forgive me but what’s a JR? Norfolk plod are w’kers. So OTT for us yet Norwich fans get treated so much better down here.

Who shot him?

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:45 - Mar 14 with 1215 views

Benters

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 21:46 - Mar 13 by chantryblueboy
Didn’t care about the atmosphere last time when they gave 400 tickets to club staff Also the last night game between us ended with the home team taking a battering [Post edited 13 Mar 21:48]

True.

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Benters

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:15 - Mar 14 by noggin
A bubble for the Old Farm derby would actually be embarrassing. Are the police suggesting they can't handle a dozen spotty teenagers who have been on the Fosters and chalk dust? They should be more concerned about Leif Davis playing. His violent conduct is off the scale.

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:55 - Mar 14 with 1190 views

bluelagos

Anyone else who thinks a bubble is out of order - the PCC for Norfolk - that's her email address.

opccn@norfolk.police.uk

BL

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 08:13 - Mar 14 with 1148 views

bluelagos

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 07:55 - Mar 14 by bluelagos
Anyone else who thinks a bubble is out of order - the PCC for Norfolk - that's her email address. opccn@norfolk.police.uk BL

What I've sent to the PCC for Norfolk - will post up any response.
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Sarah,

It is with dismay that I heard Mark Ashton being interviewed on Radio Suffolk talking about the arrangements for the upcoming Norwich v Ipswich match.

Whilst nothing is yet confirmed, it was clear from the interview that consideration is being made for a "bubble" type arrangement where fans are forced to travel by coach to the match.

As a measure I strongly object to such an arrangement and I note that such arrangements are essentially only legal as they are made a condition of entry - the police effectively hiding behind civil laws knowing full well the legality of such an arrangement would likely lead to challenges in courts given there is no legislation I know of that enables the police to dictate how people choose to travel when they go about their lawful business.

I also note the disgusting way West Midlands police recently acted in targeting away fans based on nothing more than internet searches.

IF the police have genuine concerns for public safety I would expect them to police those appropriately - identifying and dealing with individuals - not imposing draconian measures on fans who have in the vast majority of cases never been involved in football violence.

I would urge you in your position as PCC for Norfolk to do whatever you can to ensure such proposals are not put forward. A number of Ipswich fans will be Norfolk residents and should such proposals go ahead it could lead to similar draconian measures being placed on Norfolk residents if we accept "bubble" type arrangements now.

I have copied in a leading lawyer who I will be contacting for advice on any legal challenges should this proposal go forward.

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 09:07 - Mar 14 with 1065 views

Swansea_Blue

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 21:46 - Mar 13 by Nthsuffolkblue
And any club that has made it to the Premier League would much prefer a team that sneaked into 8th to be promoted to join them than the one that finished 3rd with 20 more points.

Although league position doesn’t necessarily translate into performance the following season. Take is in 1999/00 and 2000/01 as an example (albeit that’s probably more of an exception).

But it does devalue the league stage. The POs do already. Yet the POs at excitement which translates to more money for the league, so it’s an inevitable direction of travel in our profit-crazed world.

I wonder if anyone’s worked out the carbon footprint of extending the season into the POs (or just for football in general come to that).

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Aye, like it helped us that night under Jewell on 09:23 - Mar 14 with 1048 views

Dyland

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 21:34 - Mar 13 by SitfcB
Believe they felt it would be an advantage for Norwich to play an evening game, potential for a better atmosphere etc - more drinking time.

Oh!

Obviously a completely different set of circumstances (them being quite good, us being completely crap).

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 11:35 - Mar 14 with 936 views

stonojnr

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 21:02 - Mar 13 by yesjohn99
Norfolk Plod and NCFC wanted Friday evening kick off. Coach and horses even offered as designated away pub. Suffolk plod and ITFC insisted on different arrangements.

I doubt Coach and Horses would have agreed to that, and nor would Norfolk plod, since the FC&Canary is the very next pub up the road which is definitely home fans only even when they arent playing, and youll all meet each other when it intersects with Carrow road as you all walk along towards the ground.

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 08:44 - Apr 12 with 739 views

bluelagos

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 08:13 - Mar 14 by bluelagos

Police accountability in UK as on the ball as ever. Took them 4 weeks and got this response 2 days ago - which isn't actually a response...
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Good afternoon,

Apologies for the delay in our response to your email. I have passed your enquiry to the football intelligence officers in the first instance to get further information to enable the PCC to provide a more informed response to you.

Once we have the response from them, I will pass to Sarah who will reply in due course.

Kind regards

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:01 - Apr 12 with 605 views

DJR

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 08:44 - Apr 12 by bluelagos

As someone who caught the coach, I thought it went well, and the police should be praised for the way they handled it.

Admittedly, I had to leave Kent at 5.30 and didn't get back home until 7.30 but my journey wouldn't have been much shorter had I caught the rail replacement bus. And there were alternative arrangements for those that didn't want to get the coach which also appeared to go well.

[Post edited 12 Apr 10:03]

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:09 - Apr 12 with 579 views

witchdoctor

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:01 - Apr 12 by DJR

[Post edited 12 Apr 10:03]

exactly..as I mentioned in a previous thread I found the plod to be professional and courteous..I don’t think anyone can have any complaints about the way they handled the event…

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:12 - Apr 12 with 570 views

bluelagos

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:01 - Apr 12 by DJR

[Post edited 12 Apr 10:03]

I don't doubt the arrangements worked for many - but any arrangements being forced on people is an incredibly draconian approach - as was "on the table" at the point of my original letter.

I actually thought the old bill were ok yesterday - slipped away from the walk to the ground so I could enjoy a relaxing coffee and later slipped through the cordon so I could get back to my car without a long detour.

But I don't for a minute think fans should be forced to travel in a particular way due to the Norfolk police being unable or unwilling to police fans in a normal way.

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And also, it was hardly “a bubble”…. on 10:15 - Apr 12 with 556 views

Bloots

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:09 - Apr 12 by witchdoctor
exactly..as I mentioned in a previous thread I found the plod to be professional and courteous..I don’t think anyone can have any complaints about the way they handled the event…

….probably about 1,200 fans made their own way there.

The Townhouse was rammed with Town fans.

The only difference from normal was that tickets weren’t sent to home addresses.

If anyone feels put out by it they should aim their anger at Network Rail not the rozzers.

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And also, it was hardly “a bubble”…. on 10:18 - Apr 12 with 531 views

witchdoctor

And also, it was hardly “a bubble”…. on 10:15 - Apr 12 by Bloots
….probably about 1,200 fans made their own way there. The Townhouse was rammed with Town fans. The only difference from normal was that tickets weren’t sent to home addresses. If anyone feels put out by it they should aim their anger at Network Rail not the rozzers.

exactly

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:21 - Apr 12 with 519 views

Blue_Heath

As much as a Friday night game would have been great the early kick off killed their atmosphere....until Nunez came along!

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So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:24 - Apr 12 with 512 views

longtimefan

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:01 - Apr 12 by DJR

[Post edited 12 Apr 10:03]

I too thought it went very smoothly and was professionally executed. I suppose it does set a precedent though that they could expand it fairly easily to apply to all.

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:48 - Apr 12 with 470 views

bluelagos

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:24 - Apr 12 by longtimefan
I too thought it went very smoothly and was professionally executed. I suppose it does set a precedent though that they could expand it fairly easily to apply to all.

It does - hopefully we won't be playing them for a long time though :-)

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Meadowlark

We'll never play there again........😂

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 17:37 - Apr 13 with 269 views

SitfcB

So the bubble is defo on the.agenda on 10:01 - Apr 12 by DJR

[Post edited 12 Apr 10:03]

I have to say I was a bit dubious about how it would go but it went really well.

Getting the coach was IMO the easiest option, the only difference to that rather than the train is you can’t drink (well, some still managed it) and it’s not the same atmosphere - apart from that you have the same walk to and from the ground as you did with the coaches.

Our steward had a couple of jobsworth moments but then power does go to peoples heads.

There was nothing stopping anyone collecting tickets from the coaches and then getting off and making their own way - the coaches were there at 7:50 and had probably been there a while before that.

Everyone I spoke to who collected tickets in Norwich said it went fine as well.

I’m glad the police have ‘locked down’ the walk to and from Lower Clarence Road and it should have been done years ago, may have saved me a bit of bother before

If there’s next time and the trains are running then hopefully the ticket situation will revert back to normal, as that’s my only minor gripe, but then it did stop random people going.

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