| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 17:54 - Apr 4 with 696 views | grow_our_own |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 17:47 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
Doubt it. People always overestimate the impact of this type of thing.
Even the protest would do well to get to three figures. |
Here we go again. J2 hot-take: Ipswich fans don't care, whereas the best evidence says Ipswich fans want Ashton out by a big majority. Around two-thirds want him gone:
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/6
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/6 [Post edited 4 Apr 18:01]
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 17:57 - Apr 4 with 659 views | Benters |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 17:23 - Apr 4 by Illinoisblue |
Prediction: there will be fights in the stands before the season is over. T-shirts or badges or chants, people from either side are going to snap at some point.
So again, thanks Mark and Luke for putting your egos ahead of the club at a critical point of the season. |
No there won’t be any fights in the stands.
People make out on here all Reform voters are knuckle draggers,well they are not.
Well some of us are  |  |
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| Surely it should say.... on 18:01 - Apr 4 with 674 views | GlasgowBlue |
That's Benters Christmas present sorted out. |  |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:02 - Apr 4 with 677 views | J2BLUE |
I've replied to that.
You are desperate for it to be a big event. I don't think it will be. In 48 hours we will know won't we?
Starting to remind me of Brexit. 52% voted out. Since then support has been steadily declining yet the likes of Farage point to the 52%. During an international break where there was nothing else to talk about people were initially raging. We can agree on that. Since then it has slowly gone from literally every topic on the forum to a few threads per day largely started by the same people.
I have never said Ipswich fans don't care. I don't think the majority care enough to protest. I don't think the majority would be happy with anti Ashton chants during the game.
It's hardly a hot take just because you don't want it to be true. Soon we will know won't we? I am not going anywhere. If I am wrong, I will own it. |  |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:02 - Apr 4 with 680 views | Illinoisblue |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 17:57 - Apr 4 by Benters |
No there won’t be any fights in the stands.
People make out on here all Reform voters are knuckle draggers,well they are not.
Well some of us are |
Football, beer, and politics can be a toxic mix. People came to blows over Mathie v Scowcroft so not too hard to imagine a Farage chant here or there will spark something. |  |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:04 - Apr 4 with 665 views | J2BLUE |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 17:57 - Apr 4 by Benters |
No there won’t be any fights in the stands.
People make out on here all Reform voters are knuckle draggers,well they are not.
Well some of us are |
I don't believe you would vote Reform. | |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:08 - Apr 4 with 652 views | Dubtractor |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:04 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
I don't believe you would vote Reform. |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:15 - Apr 4 with 625 views | J2BLUE |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:08 - Apr 4 by Dubtractor |
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Yea I know. As far as I can see, to vote Reform, you either need to be a massive c### or very angry and looking for someone to blame.
I don't think he's a massive c###. Maybe he's very angry? But doesn't seem like it. So what benefit is there to vote for them? For someone who enjoys a pint and a ride on his bike it just makes zero sense to vote for them and have them dismantle the NHS etc.
I know someone will reply with comments he made years and years ago. I am just not buying it that he would put the cross in their box.
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:22 - Apr 4 with 594 views | grow_our_own |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:02 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
I've replied to that.
You are desperate for it to be a big event. I don't think it will be. In 48 hours we will know won't we?
Starting to remind me of Brexit. 52% voted out. Since then support has been steadily declining yet the likes of Farage point to the 52%. During an international break where there was nothing else to talk about people were initially raging. We can agree on that. Since then it has slowly gone from literally every topic on the forum to a few threads per day largely started by the same people.
I have never said Ipswich fans don't care. I don't think the majority care enough to protest. I don't think the majority would be happy with anti Ashton chants during the game.
It's hardly a hot take just because you don't want it to be true. Soon we will know won't we? I am not going anywhere. If I am wrong, I will own it. |
Indeed you did, with one word: I'm "dreaming". "Bill hooks" - very comprehensive and analytical lads.
"52% voted out. Since then support has been steadily declining yet the likes of Farage point to the 52%" - Reform are on 23 - 26% in polls. I don't know what point you're making.
"people aren't posting as much" - yet here we are. I could say support for Ashton isn't being posted much, so nobody wants him to remain, but that would be equally worthless.
I think we're talking about two separate things. You're trying to predict how many people will arrive two hours early for a protest, whereas I'm talking about wider sentiment of the Ipswich fans who will attend tomorrow/regularly. Your disparaging of the evidence we want Ashton out by a big majority is a hot take. | | | |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:24 - Apr 4 with 586 views | Dubtractor |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:15 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
Yea I know. As far as I can see, to vote Reform, you either need to be a massive c### or very angry and looking for someone to blame.
I don't think he's a massive c###. Maybe he's very angry? But doesn't seem like it. So what benefit is there to vote for them? For someone who enjoys a pint and a ride on his bike it just makes zero sense to vote for them and have them dismantle the NHS etc.
I know someone will reply with comments he made years and years ago. I am just not buying it that he would put the cross in their box.
I have been wrong before... |
FFS mate, get your head out of the sand. He has spent the last god knows how many years saying how great Farage is, and how he has his vote. Ignore the stupid attention seeking comments from years ago, but look at the stuff he (and people like him) says on a daily basis now.
Your approach pretty much everything related to politics seems to be to downplay, assume better of people than the evidence suggests, or to mildly mock those who voice concerns.
You seem like a good egg, but perhaps have a blind spot on stuff like this, as when it comes down to it your actual position seems to be pretty close to those you are inclined to mock, rather than the likes of Benters. | |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:26 - Apr 4 with 566 views | J2BLUE |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:22 - Apr 4 by grow_our_own |
Indeed you did, with one word: I'm "dreaming". "Bill hooks" - very comprehensive and analytical lads.
"52% voted out. Since then support has been steadily declining yet the likes of Farage point to the 52%" - Reform are on 23 - 26% in polls. I don't know what point you're making.
"people aren't posting as much" - yet here we are. I could say support for Ashton isn't being posted much, so nobody wants him to remain, but that would be equally worthless.
I think we're talking about two separate things. You're trying to predict how many people will arrive two hours early for a protest, whereas I'm talking about wider sentiment of the Ipswich fans who will attend tomorrow/regularly. Your disparaging of the evidence we want Ashton out by a big majority is a hot take. |
I am not going to explain yet again...
If you are right and it's a big majority we can expect significant protesting and that being made very clear on Monday, yes? | |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:28 - Apr 4 with 548 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:02 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
I've replied to that.
You are desperate for it to be a big event. I don't think it will be. In 48 hours we will know won't we?
Starting to remind me of Brexit. 52% voted out. Since then support has been steadily declining yet the likes of Farage point to the 52%. During an international break where there was nothing else to talk about people were initially raging. We can agree on that. Since then it has slowly gone from literally every topic on the forum to a few threads per day largely started by the same people.
I have never said Ipswich fans don't care. I don't think the majority care enough to protest. I don't think the majority would be happy with anti Ashton chants during the game.
It's hardly a hot take just because you don't want it to be true. Soon we will know won't we? I am not going anywhere. If I am wrong, I will own it. |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:29 - Apr 4 with 539 views | witchdoctor |
no..2/3rd of TWTD posters want him gone..big leap to suggest that ALL town fans want him removed …hardly anywhere else is getting their knickers in a twist like here… [Post edited 4 Apr 18:55]
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:34 - Apr 4 with 520 views | TheMoralMajority |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:29 - Apr 4 by witchdoctor |
no..2/3rd of TWTD posters want him gone..big leap to suggest that ALL town fans want him removed …hardly anywhere else is getting their knickers in a twist like here… [Post edited 4 Apr 18:55]
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I'd tend to agree. I don't think these "stats" really help anyone.
Also, it's not even 2/3rds of TWTD posters. It is 2/3rds of posters who saw the poll and could be arsed to vote in it. And even then, it's a big assumption that everyone voted honestly.
Hell, even massive polling organisations get it wrong on far larger userbases, on a much more statistically significant sample size, with far more rigorous methodologies.
As much as it saddens me to say, I think relying on TWTD polls to back an argument is shaky ground. [Post edited 4 Apr 18:37]
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:35 - Apr 4 with 522 views | J2BLUE |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:24 - Apr 4 by Dubtractor |
FFS mate, get your head out of the sand. He has spent the last god knows how many years saying how great Farage is, and how he has his vote. Ignore the stupid attention seeking comments from years ago, but look at the stuff he (and people like him) says on a daily basis now.
Your approach pretty much everything related to politics seems to be to downplay, assume better of people than the evidence suggests, or to mildly mock those who voice concerns.
You seem like a good egg, but perhaps have a blind spot on stuff like this, as when it comes down to it your actual position seems to be pretty close to those you are inclined to mock, rather than the likes of Benters. |
As I have said, I think he's playing an exaggerated version of himself. Once people on here decide you are something, it sticks for life. No doubt it's based on a bit of truth.
Your approach pretty much everything related to politics seems to be to downplay, assume better of people than the evidence suggests, or to mildly mock those who voice concerns.
I completely disagree with this. Is it me mocking people with 'Very Real Concerns'? Or the same few posters mocking other people? I may assume individuals are better but not society as a whole. I have posted repeatedly that Reform are a big threat. I don't think people know what they are voting for. It seems to be this idea that the country is broken and none of the main parties can fix it so let's give Reform a go which is insane. | |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:36 - Apr 4 with 514 views | grow_our_own |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:29 - Apr 4 by witchdoctor |
no..2/3rd of TWTD posters want him gone..big leap to suggest that ALL town fans want him removed …hardly anywhere else is getting their knickers in a twist like here… [Post edited 4 Apr 18:55]
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Were six polls with between 102 and ~194 respondees. Much more than posters. Big majority of silent people want Ashton out too. [Post edited 4 Apr 18:38]
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:37 - Apr 4 with 506 views | J2BLUE |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:34 - Apr 4 by TheMoralMajority |
I'd tend to agree. I don't think these "stats" really help anyone.
Also, it's not even 2/3rds of TWTD posters. It is 2/3rds of posters who saw the poll and could be arsed to vote in it. And even then, it's a big assumption that everyone voted honestly.
Hell, even massive polling organisations get it wrong on far larger userbases, on a much more statistically significant sample size, with far more rigorous methodologies.
As much as it saddens me to say, I think relying on TWTD polls to back an argument is shaky ground. [Post edited 4 Apr 18:37]
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Precisely. His so called evidence proves nothing. | |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:47 - Apr 4 with 474 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:36 - Apr 4 by grow_our_own |
Were six polls with between 102 and ~194 respondees. Much more than posters. Big majority of silent people want Ashton out too. [Post edited 4 Apr 18:38]
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If they’re silent people, how can you know that a “big majority of them”, want Ashton out?
Why don’t you stand outside PR on Monday with a petition? You’d definitely know one way or the other then. |  |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:59 - Apr 4 with 439 views | witchdoctor |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:36 - Apr 4 by grow_our_own |
Were six polls with between 102 and ~194 respondees. Much more than posters. Big majority of silent people want Ashton out too. [Post edited 4 Apr 18:38]
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 19:48 - Apr 4 with 396 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
There is a significant flaw in your conclusion, and any AI bot is only as good as the data provided to it.
It is true that a sample of one or two hundred can provide results that can be considered to be accurate to within +/-10% BUT as any good statistician will tell you, that is only true if the sample is carefully and independently selected to be truly representative. There can be no chance of that with the TWTD polls as a) the participants have not been selected to ensure they are representative of the wider population (which BTW is far larger than 28k - our support goes way beyond the walls of PR) and b) by participating in the TWTD forum debates, those participating in the polls have an inherent bias. | | | |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 19:54 - Apr 4 with 390 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 17:03 - Apr 4 by slade1 |
For crying out loud guys, we are there Monday to support our football club in their bid to get to the Premier league but you lot want to sell and wear mickey mouse t shirts and badges.
Get a grip of yourselves or stay away. |
It is possible to support the club and demonstrate your intolerance of and rejection of racism.
It is Ashton who has brought this about and as soon as he is sacked, it will no longer be an issue. It's that simple.
Whilst he remains in place, those who keep silent are tacitly accepting Ashton's promotion of Farage through the club. |  |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 19:56 - Apr 4 with 382 views | lowhouseblue |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:02 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
I've replied to that.
You are desperate for it to be a big event. I don't think it will be. In 48 hours we will know won't we?
Starting to remind me of Brexit. 52% voted out. Since then support has been steadily declining yet the likes of Farage point to the 52%. During an international break where there was nothing else to talk about people were initially raging. We can agree on that. Since then it has slowly gone from literally every topic on the forum to a few threads per day largely started by the same people.
I have never said Ipswich fans don't care. I don't think the majority care enough to protest. I don't think the majority would be happy with anti Ashton chants during the game.
It's hardly a hot take just because you don't want it to be true. Soon we will know won't we? I am not going anywhere. If I am wrong, I will own it. |
i think it's fair to say that, as career options go, ipsos, yougov and mori are not for him. |  |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 19:59 - Apr 4 with 368 views | TheBlueGnu |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 17:16 - Apr 4 by backwaywhen |
And there’s me thinking this crap was put on the back burner until after Monday , had a gut full of this hyped up nonsense and so has the vast majority ……enjoy your Easter eggs children ! |
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| Surely it should say.... on 20:00 - Apr 4 with 361 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Surely it should say.... on 15:19 - Apr 4 by Bloots |
...."Some Ipswich Town Fans Reject Farage"?
The club clearly didn't reject him, literally the opposite, and some fans don't reject him.
Also, £20!!!! What a bunch of grifters, about £8 on Amazon.
I wonder if anyone is gonna do a Reform/ITFC half and half scarf? |
Ah, but those of us who aren’t daft do reject him. Why the hell would anyone with any idea of what the club stands for and any idea of our history not ent to reject him? Unless owning the libs is all it’s about. Crackers. |  |
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| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 20:01 - Apr 4 with 351 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| On sale tomorrow £20 from Sir Alf on 18:15 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
Yea I know. As far as I can see, to vote Reform, you either need to be a massive c### or very angry and looking for someone to blame.
I don't think he's a massive c###. Maybe he's very angry? But doesn't seem like it. So what benefit is there to vote for them? For someone who enjoys a pint and a ride on his bike it just makes zero sense to vote for them and have them dismantle the NHS etc.
I know someone will reply with comments he made years and years ago. I am just not buying it that he would put the cross in their box.
I have been wrong before... |
The only way Benters isn't voting Reform is if his whole persona on here is one big troll. Which is quite plausible.
That or he decides to go with Lowe's lot instead.
It would take an incredible level of trolling to post the stuff he constantly does and not to actually support them. And, if you can't see that, I would really question your ability to judge comments. Do you think Benters is simply a massive troll? | |
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