| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) 11:29 - Apr 5 with 3521 views | Ipswich_Crazy |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:37 - Apr 5 with 742 views | pointofblue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:24 - Apr 5 by OldFart71 |
I totally agree. The two aren't linked. The players need your support any hint of being unsupportive of the team can only work against the aim of getting them promoted.
Hopefully both the team show what they can offer and the supporters do the same. |
Exactly. But that means any protests against Ashton won't be linked to the playing staff either. |  |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:41 - Apr 5 with 728 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:34 - Apr 5 by StokieBlue |
Does the direct target make any difference?
My point was that they both supported the team wholeheartedly but also protested against something they were unhappy with.
In reality, the target is irrelevant to my point which is that both things are possible, plenty are going after posters saying they aren't
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You haven't addressed my point though. That Sheffield Wednesday are bottom of the league and lose nearly every game. Any distractions going on during the game won't make any difference to their results.
Completely different than a team going for promotion and not needing any unwanted distractions.
I believe Mark Ashton should be sacked for bringing the club into disrepute. But from the minute we are in the stadium to the minute we leave supporters should put their focus into supporting the team in the pitch. |  |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:45 - Apr 5 with 721 views | StokieBlue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:41 - Apr 5 by GlasgowBlue |
You haven't addressed my point though. That Sheffield Wednesday are bottom of the league and lose nearly every game. Any distractions going on during the game won't make any difference to their results.
Completely different than a team going for promotion and not needing any unwanted distractions.
I believe Mark Ashton should be sacked for bringing the club into disrepute. But from the minute we are in the stadium to the minute we leave supporters should put their focus into supporting the team in the pitch. |
They started protesting in the first match of the season.
Once again, I've not said there should be a protest and I don't expect there to be. I actually think it'll be a very good atmosphere. However you're yet to offer any way that the fans such as yourself who want Ashton gone can make the club aware.
We both know sending emails is pointless.
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:49 - Apr 5 with 711 views | lazyblue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 12:50 - Apr 5 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
You can back the team and protest Ashton - they're not mutually connected! |
As I said before your issues with club will be negative attitude as will others , you have it bad don’t you. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:51 - Apr 5 with 705 views | lazyblue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:51 - Apr 5 by grow_our_own |
"Players were and probably still are furious about all this"
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/6
Also from Phil: "clearly been a breakdown in trust between the larger part of the fanbase, players, sponsors, staff and the wider community"
Phil's usually got his finger on the pulse. But "haters" and "players won't like us supporting them AND calling for Ashton to go". Righto. [Post edited 5 Apr 15:51]
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Players don’t care , they really don’t . They want to play football and get promotion so no issue. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:53 - Apr 5 with 700 views | pointofblue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:51 - Apr 5 by lazyblue |
Players don’t care , they really don’t . They want to play football and get promotion so no issue. |
I believe Phil, as he has contacts with the club, and would not report without checking and verifying. | |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:59 - Apr 5 with 679 views | Blue_Moses |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 12:50 - Apr 5 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
You can back the team and protest Ashton - they're not mutually connected! |
They are on match day | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 19:07 - Apr 5 with 660 views | JeremiahBrown |
My feeling is, that they are still having discussions behind the scenes. For example, if they get rid of Ashton, they will need a replacement Chairman and CEO. I imagine they wouldn't want to make any announcements until the end of the season, as they would want everyone to be concentrating on promotion at the moment.
I really, really hope, that nobody will have any protests or 'Ashton Out' chants, as that will be disruptive to the game, and whatever the players think, it would be a distraction to them, whether they agree or not. Their focus needs be entirely on the match. Players have often said that when they get a good response from the crowd, it pushes them on and makes them want to try harder.
These last few matches are incredibly important and they need our support more than ever.
I will be very disappointed if we miss out because of supporters protesting or similar.
Although, I am cross about what happened also, I feel we should put it to one side now until the end of the season and really get behind the players. Come the end of the season, I think it will resurface and not be forgotten about, so no need to worry about that now. | | | |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 19:29 - Apr 5 with 631 views | itfc_bucks |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 11:33 - Apr 5 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
Hope not. Back the team. |
You can do both, you colossal plum. | |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 19:52 - Apr 5 with 577 views | darkhorse28 |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 11:33 - Apr 5 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
Hope not. Back the team. |
THE TEAM isn’t Mark Ashton.
I can see what he gets out of it. Zero agency. You, less so, the destruction of our club!!
Both are possible. He’s an employee. Not even the money in the room, we need to make our views known AND support the players, that’s easily done.
No wonder Mark run rings around you, to save his own 35 year sub optimal career.
ASHTON OUT. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 20:19 - Apr 5 with 538 views | braveblue |
Of course not. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 09:23 - Apr 6 with 431 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 19:29 - Apr 5 by itfc_bucks |
You can do both, you colossal plum. |
IMO you can't protest against Ashton without it affecting the team.
And if you don't agree that's fine, but no need for insults. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 09:30 - Apr 6 with 423 views | Benters |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 09:23 - Apr 6 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
IMO you can't protest against Ashton without it affecting the team.
And if you don't agree that's fine, but no need for insults. |
Plum that’s a strange word to use as an insult isn’t it! |  |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 10:27 - Apr 6 with 363 views | PacittiJohn |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:26 - Apr 5 by andyblue231 |
Success without integrity won't make you happy.
Go and read the Manchester City or Chelsea forums.
They'll try and take your club away from you at every step. It would have been good to lay down a marker. |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 12:33 - Apr 6 with 267 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 17:30 - Apr 5 by grow_our_own |
Not sure how polling is relevant to this topic, but since you mention, let's recap. You are saying the six polls showing around two-thirds of Town fans want Ashton gone are worthless because:
- "Poll respondees are active TWTD-posters, not representative of the wider TWTD community". Problem with that theory is there are over 200 poll respondees. Far more than there are TWTD posters. That's not my opinion, that's counting.
- "TWTD doesn't represent Ipswich fans" - Problem there is both TWTD and Ipswich are roughly equally right and left. Hence no reason to think TWTDers would have an axe to grind in any one political direction. No other theory as to why TWTDers don't represent Ipswich fans has been posited.
- "Not a significant sample size" despite statistics showing polls with that quantity of respondees are only 7-10% inaccurate in a population size of 28k. I can show my workings if you need the maths. Even if the max 10% inaccuracy favoured Ashton entirely (vanishingly unlikely), we'd still want him out by a big majority.
- "polls use leading questions" - This criticism was given without examples. If true at all, certainly doesn't apply to all six questions.
- "poll respondees were lying about what they really think" - The author of that theory didn't explain how they arrived at it, nor why the quantity of liars saying Ashton out should be greater than liars saying Ashton in.
- "poll respondees were sock puppets" - no evidence TWTD has a multiple-account problem. Can prob be confirmed by TWTD admins.
Sure YouGov would do a better job, but until then, those six polls are the best of our knowledge. [Post edited 5 Apr 17:47]
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You clearly don't understand the basis of statistical analysis and how to conduct fair polls. Oh, and you're the one that keeps going on about (TWTD) polls (polling), without understanding them.
What are your qualifications on statistical analysis may I ask? And before you ask, yes I have accredited qualifications in statistical analysis. And as you seem to prefer to gain your 'knowledge' from AI bots, put this query into you bot of choice and see if it disagrees with me.
"for statistical analysis, does a sample size of 200 need to be carefully selected to be valid" | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 12:35 - Apr 6 with 254 views | positivity |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 09:23 - Apr 6 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
IMO you can't protest against Ashton without it affecting the team.
And if you don't agree that's fine, but no need for insults. |
you're right, it'll probably give a boost to those players who complained about ashton's behaviour! | |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:53 - Apr 6 with 128 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
In an ideal world, there is raucous support for the team as we put Brum to the sword and record a comfortable win. All the pro-Ashton fans leave and then there are loud protests against Ashton after the end of the game.
I do fear that if the match doesn't go well, those who like to moan will start the Ashton out chants during the game anyway. If that happens, it is on Ashton for creating the situation (and the club for not dealing effectively with it). But I hope that isn't how it plays out anyway. |  |
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