| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day 13:15 - Apr 20 with 1822 views | jasondozzell |
We're in Dreamland now.
Makes me laugh people fuming about being second in the league with a game in hand with 4 left to play. |  | | |  |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 13:19 - Apr 20 with 1586 views | _CliveBaker_ |
I think people are just frustrated that we've picked up 1 point in our last 2 games and effectively seen our league position weaken over that time.
I don't think anyone is suggesting we're not better off than we were 5 years ago, but we can't keep applying that context to today, its not relevant. |  | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 13:34 - Apr 20 with 1502 views | BseaBlue |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 13:19 - Apr 20 by _CliveBaker_ |
I think people are just frustrated that we've picked up 1 point in our last 2 games and effectively seen our league position weaken over that time.
I don't think anyone is suggesting we're not better off than we were 5 years ago, but we can't keep applying that context to today, its not relevant. |
We didn't have Premier League money 5 years ago either, which rightly or wrongly brings a lot of expectation with it. |  | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 13:46 - Apr 20 with 1459 views | oldburian |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 13:19 - Apr 20 by _CliveBaker_ |
I think people are just frustrated that we've picked up 1 point in our last 2 games and effectively seen our league position weaken over that time.
I don't think anyone is suggesting we're not better off than we were 5 years ago, but we can't keep applying that context to today, its not relevant. |
I think it is very relevant because we have come a long way very quickly having to build the support infrastructure alongside, which is still lacking.
Three and a half years ago we were losing to Barrow in the Cup, indeed being completely outplayed by them in the replay and then two and half years later we were in the Premier League. No one could have predicted that but it means that we had to completely change all aspects of the club some of which still need attention.
Ashton and co have made mistakes, been lucky and unlucky, but have made me and a lot of supporters proud of our club again. |  | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 13:56 - Apr 20 with 1410 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 13:46 - Apr 20 by oldburian |
I think it is very relevant because we have come a long way very quickly having to build the support infrastructure alongside, which is still lacking.
Three and a half years ago we were losing to Barrow in the Cup, indeed being completely outplayed by them in the replay and then two and half years later we were in the Premier League. No one could have predicted that but it means that we had to completely change all aspects of the club some of which still need attention.
Ashton and co have made mistakes, been lucky and unlucky, but have made me and a lot of supporters proud of our club again. |
Nobody is denying that. I think you would do well to find a Town fan who doesn't agree that the progress we've made is exceptional and probably far quicker than anyone could've dared to dream possible.
The fact is we're a parachute club now, we've got an expensively assembled squad, and while it doesn't guarantee us anything it's perfectly valid to come away from games like Pompey with a sense of frustration and regret at our performance as it felt like the game in hand that could've really set us apart from the chasing pack. Both things can be true. [Post edited 20 Apr 13:57]
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:00 - Apr 20 with 1368 views | Miaow |
There are probably a number of "highlights" videos from that season I've never watched. |  |
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:01 - Apr 20 with 1364 views | positivity |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 13:56 - Apr 20 by _CliveBaker_ |
Nobody is denying that. I think you would do well to find a Town fan who doesn't agree that the progress we've made is exceptional and probably far quicker than anyone could've dared to dream possible.
The fact is we're a parachute club now, we've got an expensively assembled squad, and while it doesn't guarantee us anything it's perfectly valid to come away from games like Pompey with a sense of frustration and regret at our performance as it felt like the game in hand that could've really set us apart from the chasing pack. Both things can be true. [Post edited 20 Apr 13:57]
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i see what you're saying, but i also look at year 1 parachute clubs like leicester and luton and think it could be a whole lot worse.
if us or soton don't go up, there'll be more year one parachute clubs relegated in the past 2 years than promoted!
edit: i'd assumed leicester are down, which isn't quite the case yet, hoping they're saving themselves for millwall! [Post edited 20 Apr 14:03]
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:02 - Apr 20 with 1361 views | itfc_statman |
Irrelevant.
I don't think anyone is "fuming" either but understandable disappointment at some of our performances this season which haven't really been good enough for the amount spent | | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:09 - Apr 20 with 1303 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:01 - Apr 20 by positivity |
i see what you're saying, but i also look at year 1 parachute clubs like leicester and luton and think it could be a whole lot worse.
if us or soton don't go up, there'll be more year one parachute clubs relegated in the past 2 years than promoted!
edit: i'd assumed leicester are down, which isn't quite the case yet, hoping they're saving themselves for millwall! [Post edited 20 Apr 14:03]
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It could definitely be worse, and on balance we've had a decent season and sit in a decent position, there's no cause for tears by any stretch. I've said it all season, bouncing back at the first time of asking isn't an easy feat, if it was easy everyone would do it, not the c. 50% of clubs that achieve it.
I just don't see any value in looking back to 5 years ago, we're a different beast now with entirely different owners, depth of pockets, different squad and entirely different context. Its a bit of a backward mentality IMO, where does it stop? If we sat in mid table should we be content that its at least in the Championship and not L1?
We're in the here and now. Everyone knows what the objective was at the start of the season and we've got a very good chance to achieve it, either by winning the next 2 and QPR, winning 1 of them and beating Southampton and QPR, or a fall back of the playoffs. We need to go and do it. | | | |
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:11 - Apr 20 with 1300 views | Vaughan8 |
Ah yes. The old "we were rubbish before so be grateful now" thread.
Are other fans like this:
Man CIty when they go out the CHampions League - At least we aren't in League 1 anymore
Luton fans - At least least we aren't non-league anymore
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etc
It's a about context and ours at the moment is we must have one of the most expensive assembled squads in the league ever (in terms of players purchase prices). We probably do have one of the better squads.
I'd say not many teams who finish in the top 2 would have only 1 comeback win after 42 games?
Not everything is Meh, but not everything is rosey. | | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:13 - Apr 20 with 1277 views | jas0999 |
The circumstances are now very different. We have spent a huge amount of money, an expensive squad of players and have a highly paid manager …. Whether people like it or not, the expectation levels are totally different. It’s therefore very frustrating that we only seem capable of playing for one half of football per game in recent months (Middlesbrough, Millwall, Leicester, Stoke to name but a few). No one is fuming, but disappointed.
Wins against Charlton and WBA should help that though amd no reason why we shouldn’t be winning those games. | | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:14 - Apr 20 with 1279 views | VanDusen |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 13:19 - Apr 20 by _CliveBaker_ |
I think people are just frustrated that we've picked up 1 point in our last 2 games and effectively seen our league position weaken over that time.
I don't think anyone is suggesting we're not better off than we were 5 years ago, but we can't keep applying that context to today, its not relevant. |
Thing is - we're much better off than we were at this stage two years ago too! And indeed just 3-4 weeks ago. It seems our new fanbase (and let's face it - a lot of these moaners wouldn't even know Sixfields exists, let alone we played there a short time ago) can't even handle one tough midweek defeat at a gutsy relegation-threatened team who also beat our rivals on their own patch AND an equally well-endowed squad the game after.... | | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:35 - Apr 20 with 1206 views | darkhorse28 |
It makes me laugh people thinking Northampton, Forest Green, Morecambe, Fleetwood, Cheltenham are the benchmark for our club.
How many seasons in our history have we spent in the third division?
Why on earth do you want that to be the measure and keen through which we judge ourselves after spending £250 million gross and laying our manager as one of the best in Europe?
I don’t think those clubs have spent that, combined, in their entire clubs history.
It’s a truely bizarre conflation. You do know we’ve won league titles. European titles, FA Cups and even under Eva’s we were an established championship side, who in the early days threatened promotion, spent (relatively) heavy and made the play offs.
If you only started supporting us in league one, then fair enough, but even then you can read about a club with a huge fan base globally, that wins trophies, and on its worst days is still a championship side.
Stop TALKING US DOWN to protect your EGO.
We are Brie the Sun of our parts and have been for two seasons, it is what it is. Sorry we aren’t Morecombe, we are a bigger club with bigger aspirations and expectations.
Please develop even a modicum of aspiration for our club, it’s painful when we fall short, but I promise it’s better than wanting us to play Forest Green because it’s emotionally easier!! | | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:54 - Apr 20 with 1148 views | homer_123 |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:35 - Apr 20 by darkhorse28 |
It makes me laugh people thinking Northampton, Forest Green, Morecambe, Fleetwood, Cheltenham are the benchmark for our club.
How many seasons in our history have we spent in the third division?
Why on earth do you want that to be the measure and keen through which we judge ourselves after spending £250 million gross and laying our manager as one of the best in Europe?
I don’t think those clubs have spent that, combined, in their entire clubs history.
It’s a truely bizarre conflation. You do know we’ve won league titles. European titles, FA Cups and even under Eva’s we were an established championship side, who in the early days threatened promotion, spent (relatively) heavy and made the play offs.
If you only started supporting us in league one, then fair enough, but even then you can read about a club with a huge fan base globally, that wins trophies, and on its worst days is still a championship side.
Stop TALKING US DOWN to protect your EGO.
We are Brie the Sun of our parts and have been for two seasons, it is what it is. Sorry we aren’t Morecombe, we are a bigger club with bigger aspirations and expectations.
Please develop even a modicum of aspiration for our club, it’s painful when we fall short, but I promise it’s better than wanting us to play Forest Green because it’s emotionally easier!! |
"Makes me laugh people fuming about being second in the league with a game in hand with 4 left to play."
Regardless of anything else, history, money etc., this sentence is spot on though. |  |
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:12 - Apr 20 with 1070 views | jasondozzell |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:14 - Apr 20 by VanDusen |
Thing is - we're much better off than we were at this stage two years ago too! And indeed just 3-4 weeks ago. It seems our new fanbase (and let's face it - a lot of these moaners wouldn't even know Sixfields exists, let alone we played there a short time ago) can't even handle one tough midweek defeat at a gutsy relegation-threatened team who also beat our rivals on their own patch AND an equally well-endowed squad the game after.... |
The reality is we've added about 14,000 regular fans since the dark days. I do think part of the problem is they expect it to be success all the time like it has been since they joined/returned. | | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:28 - Apr 20 with 1033 views | Mullet |
Itfc is a completely different animal now. You’re being disingenuous and comparing completely different things. This idea we should be grateful as fans is patronising and nonsense.
There’s plenty of good in glimpses this season but we aren’t punching above our weight anymore, we should have been clear leaders given the strength of this league and have made a meal of the season instead.
Denying that and insisting we all have to be holier than thou, makes all discussion pointless. |  |
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:29 - Apr 20 with 1023 views | homer_123 |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:12 - Apr 20 by jasondozzell |
The reality is we've added about 14,000 regular fans since the dark days. I do think part of the problem is they expect it to be success all the time like it has been since they joined/returned. |
I think that is a wider societal situation. | |
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:30 - Apr 20 with 1019 views | jasondozzell |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:28 - Apr 20 by Mullet |
Itfc is a completely different animal now. You’re being disingenuous and comparing completely different things. This idea we should be grateful as fans is patronising and nonsense.
There’s plenty of good in glimpses this season but we aren’t punching above our weight anymore, we should have been clear leaders given the strength of this league and have made a meal of the season instead.
Denying that and insisting we all have to be holier than thou, makes all discussion pointless. |
If your expectation is that we should have won the league by clear points gap then I think that's crazy. Of course we should be competitive, which we have been. But it's not a video game. There's no divine right to be first. I think KM has done a brilliant job in tricky circumstances. | | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:32 - Apr 20 with 1018 views | homer_123 |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:28 - Apr 20 by Mullet |
Itfc is a completely different animal now. You’re being disingenuous and comparing completely different things. This idea we should be grateful as fans is patronising and nonsense.
There’s plenty of good in glimpses this season but we aren’t punching above our weight anymore, we should have been clear leaders given the strength of this league and have made a meal of the season instead.
Denying that and insisting we all have to be holier than thou, makes all discussion pointless. |
Whilst it is true that our financial situation gives us a significantly better chance at success than others.
We have no given right to be 'clear leaders', football simply doesn't work that way. | |
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:33 - Apr 20 with 1003 views | jasondozzell |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:29 - Apr 20 by homer_123 |
I think that is a wider societal situation. |
Yeah that's probably true. What happened to football just being football? You want to win, you win some, you lose some.
It's like the idiot 606 Radio 5 callers have taken over society. Everything is cheap soundbite, hype and hysteria.
In an alternative universe, we could have finished 7th in 23/24, that would have been seen as a very good season, we could have lost in the play offs last year, again would have been seen as progress and this year would be seen as another great step forward.
We've all been spoiled! | | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 16:23 - Apr 20 with 876 views | Mullet |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:32 - Apr 20 by homer_123 |
Whilst it is true that our financial situation gives us a significantly better chance at success than others.
We have no given right to be 'clear leaders', football simply doesn't work that way. |
No one is saying it does, but we’ve doubled the runaway leaders and this has been the crappest championship for years.
We’ve wasted several opportunities this season and made some very poor decisions, especially around recruitment. Either that or McKenna hasn’t been as effective as his wage and status dictates.
This nonsense OP is the issue when it comes to creating this false narrative. Whether we like it or not this is up there with “we coulda bin Lesta” | |
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 16:27 - Apr 20 with 857 views | homer_123 |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 16:23 - Apr 20 by Mullet |
No one is saying it does, but we’ve doubled the runaway leaders and this has been the crappest championship for years.
We’ve wasted several opportunities this season and made some very poor decisions, especially around recruitment. Either that or McKenna hasn’t been as effective as his wage and status dictates.
This nonsense OP is the issue when it comes to creating this false narrative. Whether we like it or not this is up there with “we coulda bin Lesta” |
I think you've nicely illustrated my point Mullers.
"We’ve wasted several opportunities this season and made some very poor decisions, especially around recruitment. Either that or McKenna hasn’t been as effective as his wage and status dictates."
That's why money doesn't provide certainty. This is football, both on and off the pitch.
EDIT: as an aside, I wonder how many would have taken sitting 2nd with four games to go at the start of the season? [Post edited 20 Apr 16:28]
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 16:31 - Apr 20 with 833 views | Mullet |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 16:27 - Apr 20 by homer_123 |
I think you've nicely illustrated my point Mullers.
"We’ve wasted several opportunities this season and made some very poor decisions, especially around recruitment. Either that or McKenna hasn’t been as effective as his wage and status dictates."
That's why money doesn't provide certainty. This is football, both on and off the pitch.
EDIT: as an aside, I wonder how many would have taken sitting 2nd with four games to go at the start of the season? [Post edited 20 Apr 16:28]
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But it’s not the same argument as “Northampton you plebs” and dismisses why this idea we should all be clapping along failure, mistakes, poor decisions big and small so divisive.
We’ve not been good enough for a long time, and we’ve nearly blown all advantage this week to teams who are much weaker than us. That’s not good enough and not worthy of praise and adulation. | |
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 16:41 - Apr 20 with 807 views | homer_123 |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 16:31 - Apr 20 by Mullet |
But it’s not the same argument as “Northampton you plebs” and dismisses why this idea we should all be clapping along failure, mistakes, poor decisions big and small so divisive.
We’ve not been good enough for a long time, and we’ve nearly blown all advantage this week to teams who are much weaker than us. That’s not good enough and not worthy of praise and adulation. |
Depends, entirely, on how you wish to view the situation.
I don't think it is now entirely right to compare what we are to what we were back then - it isn't an apples for apples comparison, for sure.
However, I would say that wider sentiment is true. In that, even with our additional resources, it doesn't give us any right to promotion and many fans seem to under an illusion it does. It tips the balance in our favour, no question but in football that doesn't always count for anything.
You are not wrong in your assertion that we have nearly blown that advantage either. However, the logical counter to that is we sit 2nd with four to go and it's still in our hands.
I think we have forgotten what supporting a team is about sometimes. You have to take the rough with the smooth, we can be annoyed and pissed off about games, matches, results, owners, transfer policies, political shenanigans etc. Ultimately, we are supporters and we support the Club through thick or thin.
Anyways, here's to 6 points over the next two games. | |
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| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 16:44 - Apr 20 with 801 views | bsw72 |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:11 - Apr 20 by Vaughan8 |
Ah yes. The old "we were rubbish before so be grateful now" thread.
Are other fans like this:
Man CIty when they go out the CHampions League - At least we aren't in League 1 anymore
Luton fans - At least least we aren't non-league anymore
etc
etc
It's a about context and ours at the moment is we must have one of the most expensive assembled squads in the league ever (in terms of players purchase prices). We probably do have one of the better squads.
I'd say not many teams who finish in the top 2 would have only 1 comeback win after 42 games?
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So, we have one of the better squads and we are 2nd in the league, sounds about right to me.
I think there are two problems:
1 - continues to be people having expectations that we should be doing better based upon individual player qualities and transfer fees paid and anything apart from automatic promotion is going to be considered a failure as such.
2 - the above is compounded by the fact from 22-24 we were extraordinarily lucky that the squad clicked and it worked, plus we took teams by surprise - it's proving harder this time (or maybe more normal) for the team to click, and teams are far more wary of us.
Your last line is close to the mark, although 2nd in the league with fate in our own hands means it more rosey than meh, but that view could be more meh than rosey come 10pm Weds. |  | | |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 09:17 - Apr 26 with 395 views | darkhorse28 |
| Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 14:54 - Apr 20 by homer_123 |
"Makes me laugh people fuming about being second in the league with a game in hand with 4 left to play."
Regardless of anything else, history, money etc., this sentence is spot on though. |
I don’t think anyone is fuming, I think they wanted more performance wise, based on the investment, and I think they likely measure us realistically.
We’ll have maybe 9 points more than Micks okay off team, probably the same less than our own McKenna legacy side and maybe 15 or more short of a Burnley side now relegated, and Coventry who spent about 10% of what we have (maybe less).
They aren’t thinking will we go up and everything be Rosie in the garden.
They see that we’ve regressed since we had resources, we don’t measure up well against any of the competition in the league above, Leeds, Sunderland (aren’t a legacy club) and unless we develop very quickly (year six) then we won’t achieve our actual objective, to be established in the prem.
Surely that’s the goal? With resources, to actually compete in that league, and we might, that’s to be written, but nobody that’s watched us. And I’d vaguely objective, would think we could, we’ve been v poor relative to that level. Again yesterday…, that’s where we are, mid table on away form, and that’s about right.
No point pretending that isn’t the case. But promotion IS pivotal, it’s three more years of resources where whatever happens we can invest on and off the pitch.
Shame it empowers Mark. He’s miles off good enough. | | | |
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