| Introducing Bobby's Vision 08:02 - Apr 24 with 2506 views | bobbys_vision |
A group of long term Ipswich fans have come together to launch a campaign group to speak out on football issues that concern us.
As such we have launched a website that can be found here
https://www.bobbysvision.co.uk
Who we are - can be accessed via the website of here
https://www.bobbysvision.co.uk
We have set out our values and principles:
https://www.bobbysvision.co.uk
Our first statement is on the recently announced increases in Season ticket prices and is available here
https://www.bobbysvision.co.uk
We also have twitter and bluesky accounts which will be used to signpost further statements and interested posters can also follow those accounts.
We encourage fans aligned to our views to help spread our statement through social media and to register on the site for future updates. You can also contact the group through the email listed on the site.
For clarity, we are not currently seeking to expand to a wider or formal membership, but that may evolve over time if sufficient interest is shown.
To those who do not share our vision or aims, we simply ask that all comments are made in a polite and constructive manner, we are after all, all Ipswich fans.
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:37 - Apr 24 with 1881 views | urbanpenguin |
Nice.
In the About I do think it would be beneficial to your cause to actually say who you are, names and positions. It is very easy for anybody to set up anonymous accounts, astroturfing orgs do it all the time to build audience then bring down a cause, and to add transparency and trust I would highly recommend showing face on the site. |  | | |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:53 - Apr 24 with 1801 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:37 - Apr 24 by urbanpenguin |
Nice.
In the About I do think it would be beneficial to your cause to actually say who you are, names and positions. It is very easy for anybody to set up anonymous accounts, astroturfing orgs do it all the time to build audience then bring down a cause, and to add transparency and trust I would highly recommend showing face on the site. |
That's probably a pre-Musk view of Social Media!
I think anyone attaching their name to this would get repercussions online, at matches and maybe even from the Club.
I hope that everyone checked their Season Ticket Terms and Conditions and saw that they are not allowed to spread what the Club considers to be "misleading information" on pain of Season Ticket forfeiture.
Posting volume on here will go down! | | | |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:57 - Apr 24 with 1760 views | bluelagos |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:53 - Apr 24 by ArnoldMoorhen |
That's probably a pre-Musk view of Social Media!
I think anyone attaching their name to this would get repercussions online, at matches and maybe even from the Club.
I hope that everyone checked their Season Ticket Terms and Conditions and saw that they are not allowed to spread what the Club considers to be "misleading information" on pain of Season Ticket forfeiture.
Posting volume on here will go down! |
And of course abuse and even threats to contact employers recently made too on Twitter (and highlighted here) |  |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:57 - Apr 24 with 1754 views | Mullet |
Probably should have done this in the same thread to save me looking an idiot! |  |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:07 - Apr 24 with 1696 views | waveneyblue |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:57 - Apr 24 by Mullet |
Probably should have done this in the same thread to save me looking an idiot! |
Don't worry, you dont have to go to much effort to confirm that 😉
Im sure you will love this group, seems right up your alley |  | | |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:10 - Apr 24 with 1661 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:53 - Apr 24 by ArnoldMoorhen |
That's probably a pre-Musk view of Social Media!
I think anyone attaching their name to this would get repercussions online, at matches and maybe even from the Club.
I hope that everyone checked their Season Ticket Terms and Conditions and saw that they are not allowed to spread what the Club considers to be "misleading information" on pain of Season Ticket forfeiture.
Posting volume on here will go down! |
Is that for real?
Any other gems for those of us that never read the small print? |  |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:13 - Apr 24 with 1629 views | Zx1988 |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:53 - Apr 24 by ArnoldMoorhen |
That's probably a pre-Musk view of Social Media!
I think anyone attaching their name to this would get repercussions online, at matches and maybe even from the Club.
I hope that everyone checked their Season Ticket Terms and Conditions and saw that they are not allowed to spread what the Club considers to be "misleading information" on pain of Season Ticket forfeiture.
Posting volume on here will go down! |
What about non-specific 'mistruths'? | |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:22 - Apr 24 with 1539 views | Guthrum |
There is a structural issue behind the problem, which is not exclusive to Ipswich Town.
In the worthy attempt to limit overspending by clubs, the structures used (FFP, S&P) tie permissible expenditure to revenue. Thus there is an incentive - an imperative, even - to increase that revenue at all costs. Even at the expense of the long-standing fanbase. It is seen as necessary to squeeze every bit of advantage in a tightly contested arena of small margins.
Meanwhile top-end player wages, transfer and agent fees are essentially unchecked. An ever greater drain upon those finances.
A campaign probably needs to be broadened to cover such things as better regulation of football at the national level, tighter controls financially, the TV money driving inflation in the game.
Not that there's anything wrong with also pressuring the club at the local level to keep prices down so far as possible (or, at least, to account for rises which happen). |  |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:22 - Apr 24 with 1528 views | waveneyblue |
Oh I can see this having great appeal to certain factions of this board.
Just what we need | | | |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:28 - Apr 24 with 1488 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:07 - Apr 24 by waveneyblue |
Don't worry, you dont have to go to much effort to confirm that 😉
Im sure you will love this group, seems right up your alley |
I haven't had a chance to look at the website yet Waveney but what are you seeing to suggest it isn't up your alley too? | |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:32 - Apr 24 with 1454 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:22 - Apr 24 by Guthrum |
There is a structural issue behind the problem, which is not exclusive to Ipswich Town.
In the worthy attempt to limit overspending by clubs, the structures used (FFP, S&P) tie permissible expenditure to revenue. Thus there is an incentive - an imperative, even - to increase that revenue at all costs. Even at the expense of the long-standing fanbase. It is seen as necessary to squeeze every bit of advantage in a tightly contested arena of small margins.
Meanwhile top-end player wages, transfer and agent fees are essentially unchecked. An ever greater drain upon those finances.
A campaign probably needs to be broadened to cover such things as better regulation of football at the national level, tighter controls financially, the TV money driving inflation in the game.
Not that there's anything wrong with also pressuring the club at the local level to keep prices down so far as possible (or, at least, to account for rises which happen). |
Excellent post. While we have rampant inflation of player contracts and agents fees, things that should matter get squeezed. Not just the extraction of money from fans, but also low wages and poor treatment of normal workers that keep clubs going. I’m not suggesting ITFC treats staff badly, but we do hear many cases of the ordinary staff being paid a pittance and treated badly in some other clubs. Man U springs to mind. Its a vulgar business. |  |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:34 - Apr 24 with 1439 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:28 - Apr 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I haven't had a chance to look at the website yet Waveney but what are you seeing to suggest it isn't up your alley too? |
“What is a club?
Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes.It’s the noise the, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city.
It’s a small boy climbing up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at the hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.”
Seems like a sensible view to me! | |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:35 - Apr 24 with 1439 views | bluelagos |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:32 - Apr 24 by Swansea_Blue |
Excellent post. While we have rampant inflation of player contracts and agents fees, things that should matter get squeezed. Not just the extraction of money from fans, but also low wages and poor treatment of normal workers that keep clubs going. I’m not suggesting ITFC treats staff badly, but we do hear many cases of the ordinary staff being paid a pittance and treated badly in some other clubs. Man U springs to mind. Its a vulgar business. |
The bit that gets me is how little of ITFC income comes from tickets anyway. Squeezing loyal fans at a time of widespread financial hardships when as club the additional income might buy a decent winger's left boot... | |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:37 - Apr 24 with 1418 views | Zx1988 |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 08:53 - Apr 24 by ArnoldMoorhen |
That's probably a pre-Musk view of Social Media!
I think anyone attaching their name to this would get repercussions online, at matches and maybe even from the Club.
I hope that everyone checked their Season Ticket Terms and Conditions and saw that they are not allowed to spread what the Club considers to be "misleading information" on pain of Season Ticket forfeiture.
Posting volume on here will go down! |
An interesting observation on the 'misleading information' clause - who is the arbiter of what is misleading?
Lots of scope for the club to decide that anyone not agreeing with the official version of events is in contravention. It could apply to anyone mentioning the published facts of the Führage debacle, given that Ashton has decreed them to be 'mistruths'. | |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:43 - Apr 24 with 1352 views | waveneyblue |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:28 - Apr 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I haven't had a chance to look at the website yet Waveney but what are you seeing to suggest it isn't up your alley too? |
Just a natural assumption that my alley and Mullets alley are very very different.
Thats all me ole china | | | |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:45 - Apr 24 with 1342 views | bartyg |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:43 - Apr 24 by waveneyblue |
Just a natural assumption that my alley and Mullets alley are very very different.
Thats all me ole china |
And they call the left unreasonable |  |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:48 - Apr 24 with 1314 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:35 - Apr 24 by bluelagos |
The bit that gets me is how little of ITFC income comes from tickets anyway. Squeezing loyal fans at a time of widespread financial hardships when as club the additional income might buy a decent winger's left boot... |
And that contribution falls the higher clubs go of course, with any PL club not reliant on ticket sales. Man U wanting to scrap concession tickets, for example. It’s a tiny proportion of their income. The damage to their image for letting the world know they don’t care about their youngest and oldest fans is far more costly than the small amount of extra revenue (imo at least, although if you’re immoral maybe you don’t give a crap about how you are perceived). | |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:48 - Apr 24 with 1309 views | waveneyblue |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:45 - Apr 24 by bartyg |
And they call the left unreasonable |
We dont have to have the same alleys.
If this group leads to good, then im all for it.
I just have my doubts, thats all | | | |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 10:24 - Apr 24 with 1157 views | noggin |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:28 - Apr 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I haven't had a chance to look at the website yet Waveney but what are you seeing to suggest it isn't up your alley too? |
Lefty woke nonsense innit. |  |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 10:39 - Apr 24 with 1015 views | darkhorse28 |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:22 - Apr 24 by waveneyblue |
Oh I can see this having great appeal to certain factions of this board.
Just what we need |
We should encourage free speech. Want you want, a consensus by creating an uncomfortable environment to share diverse opinions. We used to call it fascism, now I think it’s how all group ID’s work think they get control. | | | |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 10:42 - Apr 24 with 1017 views | Basuco |
My thoughts are, we all have a choice where and how we spend our money, the quality of football is much better now, so we should expect to pay more? Would you be happy to maintain a low ticket price and watch much poorer quality football? Continue with a League 1 budget and prices?
As with everything in life you get what you pay for and when demand exceeds supply then it is much easier to raise the cost.
My choice is to continue my ST but who knows if personal circumstances will allow this to continue in the future. |  | | |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 10:53 - Apr 24 with 934 views | darkhorse28 |
Chapeau! Well done to all, looks and sounds fantastic. Have you spoken to the foundation to use the platform to raise money. It would be nice for the foundation and our supporters to do something locally, he’d love it, football is community. The riches changes the connection, the values too, we need to be clear about what we want to stand for.
We had more success without the money, although that could change in a couple of games, if we don’t want to be just another soccer brand, we need to celebrate our identity and values, a club built on local connection.
I’m not from Ipswich. If it wasn’t for Bobby, I wouldn’t be a supporter of 50 years, and from the first visit, it was obvious the values and connection helped the club stand apart, a one club catchment, a set of values that connect people globally, and making football the heartbeat of a Town.
Some would sell that. Because it had a value. But they understand the price of things. But not the true value.
He’d love this 👏🏼 | | | |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 10:54 - Apr 24 with 935 views | Benters |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 09:07 - Apr 24 by waveneyblue |
Don't worry, you dont have to go to much effort to confirm that 😉
Im sure you will love this group, seems right up your alley |
A simple tap in  |  |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 11:02 - Apr 24 with 898 views | noggin |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 10:54 - Apr 24 by Benters |
A simple tap in |
"Simple" being the operative word. | |
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| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 11:03 - Apr 24 with 879 views | Benters |
| Introducing Bobby's Vision on 11:02 - Apr 24 by noggin |
"Simple" being the operative word. |
As was that  | |
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