| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time 06:57 - May 8 with 2947 views | onceablue |
Labour have no chance of winning anything whilst he is in charge.
If he thinks anything of the party he says he loves he will resign he has to
Unfortunately he made too many promises he just couldn’t keep and blaming the previous Government just doesn’t cut it anymore.
Imagine if after 2 years under McKenna we were still useless but he kept blaming the previous Manager, the state of the training ground, the pitch etc - You would still expect to see some improvement
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 08:57 - May 8 with 646 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 08:52 - May 8 by Churchman |
There is no point in focussing on the tories. They are finished. Dead as Elvis. Not relevant to any conversation and not opposition to anything. They love the warm comfy seats of opposition where they can sleep and look at Twitter. Or worse.
The issue is the current government. They should, given the lack of opposition, be dominant in any vote on anything.
They spent 14 years in opposition yet looked completely surprised when the tories were thrown out, even though it was obvious they were and are toast.
So in two years, what have Labour achieved? Not much. They’ve gone through the blame routines already. My perception is that whilst they love the trappings of power they haven't the first idea what to do with it so have spent their time trying to shore up their own support.
Part of the problem is that telling lies, fobbing the plebs off with sound bites and nonsense, burying bad news etc is highly fashionable and conducted by them all. Why bother with the truth or doing the right thing when you can spew a load of twaddle for the dimbos or blame somebody else before heading off to that oh so enjoyable HoC lunch?
The economy? The government aren’t interested any more than their predecessors were. You can always print money.
Migration? The successive governments haven't been interested since Blair threw the doors open and said figuratively all are welcome in the late 90s. In fact they must actively support unlimited immigration, as do the tories, otherwise the Danish model or something similar would have been adopted. A bit of honesty from the government here might help because regardless of its merits and even the truth of it, it is clearly a worry to people otherwise there would be no Reform. It is the elephant in the room.
Thats just two elements. There is plenty of other aspects including foreign policy, relations with Europe, green policies which while the aims are right in my view, how they are zealously going about it isn’t, benefits budget, treatment of people renting out their properties, the assault on those they do not consider labour supporters, tax, you name it.
Labour will ditch Starmer but for whom? Milliband? It wouldn't surprise me. Rayner? Possibly, but surely she’s tainted by swerving Stamp Duty. The political ‘talent’ has been thin for years. Echo chambers like that chancer Boris Johnson? Yay! Great in front of the camera with ruffled hair. Pity he is a waste of space. Starmer - safe pair of hands? Well only if he’s holding on to his expenses claims forms or his free tickets.
The main parties by focussing on themselves rather than doing the right thing have only themselves to blame for where they are. Shame its us that pay. |
The economy was improving until trumps war. And is clearly hamstring by the enormous debt and deficit runup previously.
Solution. Elect trump lite? Really?
Immigration? The supposedly important small boats are down significantly. But that appears irrelevant.
We live in a new age of alternative facts and opinions based on memes and social media echo chambers. Chilling. | |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 08:59 - May 8 with 641 views | TheMoralMajority |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 08:44 - May 8 by MattinLondon |
So why did you bring them up? |
He didn't. BlueSmoke did. |  |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 09:32 - May 8 with 564 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 07:53 - May 8 by Dubtractor |
Lots of focus, rightly, on how this is bad for Starmer and Labour, but it's looking terrible for badenoch and the tories too.
The party oh government often gets a kicking in council elections, let alone one as unpopular as Starmer currently is, but its supposed to be the opposition party who takes advantage. [Post edited 8 May 7:55]
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The Tory brand is at an all time low currently. That’s nit Badenoch’s fault. She out polling her own party and has one of the highest net approval ratings of all the party leaders.
This is in Johnson and Truss. As I said two years ago, the Tories will need at least a. Decade to recover and once more appeal to the electorate.
That said, nationally the latest opinion poll has the Tories second to reform and 4 points ahead of Labour who are in third. |  |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 09:38 - May 8 with 559 views | MattinLondon |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 08:59 - May 8 by TheMoralMajority |
He didn't. BlueSmoke did. |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 09:47 - May 8 with 545 views | Pinewoodblue |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 09:32 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
The Tory brand is at an all time low currently. That’s nit Badenoch’s fault. She out polling her own party and has one of the highest net approval ratings of all the party leaders.
This is in Johnson and Truss. As I said two years ago, the Tories will need at least a. Decade to recover and once more appeal to the electorate.
That said, nationally the latest opinion poll has the Tories second to reform and 4 points ahead of Labour who are in third. |
Have see a poll suggesting that Tories will not win any seats in Suffolk and Reform will win 59 out of 70.
Also predicts that there will be more Reform, than Labour, County Councils representing Ipswich. Belstead & Gainsborough will no longer be Labour. |  |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 09:51 - May 8 with 532 views | SomethingBlue |
Prefacing this by saying I am *not particularly a Starmer fan*. But I'd take the noise around him at face value if the multibillionaire-funded campaign to get him out hadn't started literally two days into his tenure – when we were already being force-fed that this was the worst government ever. There are very bad faith actors at work and the British people are falling for them, sadly I don't see much of a way out because a huge % of the population aren't equipped to deal with it. [Post edited 8 May 9:53]
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:01 - May 8 with 492 views | ElderGrizzly |
I imagine he'll say, sorry, I take responsibility but we'll fix it.
General Election not for another 3 years and incumbent Governments always get a kicking in the local elections. Johnson lost 1,000+ seats and 20 councils in one election and he stayed on as PM too.
Farage and their more brainwashed supporters will be screaming about a GE now for the next few weeks and then Farage will move on to his next grift. |  | | |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:03 - May 8 with 477 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:01 - May 8 by ElderGrizzly |
I imagine he'll say, sorry, I take responsibility but we'll fix it.
General Election not for another 3 years and incumbent Governments always get a kicking in the local elections. Johnson lost 1,000+ seats and 20 councils in one election and he stayed on as PM too.
Farage and their more brainwashed supporters will be screaming about a GE now for the next few weeks and then Farage will move on to his next grift. |
Looking at the runners and the riders Labour would be made to get rid of Starmer. | |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:04 - May 8 with 474 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 09:32 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
The Tory brand is at an all time low currently. That’s nit Badenoch’s fault. She out polling her own party and has one of the highest net approval ratings of all the party leaders.
This is in Johnson and Truss. As I said two years ago, the Tories will need at least a. Decade to recover and once more appeal to the electorate.
That said, nationally the latest opinion poll has the Tories second to reform and 4 points ahead of Labour who are in third. |
As of 8am this morning, the Tories had lost a higher % of seats than Labour in these elections too.
Marginal, but 68% to 66% | | | |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:05 - May 8 with 462 views | itfcjoe |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 08:57 - May 8 by redrickstuhaart |
The economy was improving until trumps war. And is clearly hamstring by the enormous debt and deficit runup previously.
Solution. Elect trump lite? Really?
Immigration? The supposedly important small boats are down significantly. But that appears irrelevant.
We live in a new age of alternative facts and opinions based on memes and social media echo chambers. Chilling. |
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
It's a post truth world, and the press are doing Farage's bidding for him and have been for a long time.
It's obvious where this heads to next, Reform in, things getting worse, but those at the heart of it enriching themselves massively at the expense of the people that vote for them |  |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:05 - May 8 with 461 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 08:52 - May 8 by Churchman |
There is no point in focussing on the tories. They are finished. Dead as Elvis. Not relevant to any conversation and not opposition to anything. They love the warm comfy seats of opposition where they can sleep and look at Twitter. Or worse.
The issue is the current government. They should, given the lack of opposition, be dominant in any vote on anything.
They spent 14 years in opposition yet looked completely surprised when the tories were thrown out, even though it was obvious they were and are toast.
So in two years, what have Labour achieved? Not much. They’ve gone through the blame routines already. My perception is that whilst they love the trappings of power they haven't the first idea what to do with it so have spent their time trying to shore up their own support.
Part of the problem is that telling lies, fobbing the plebs off with sound bites and nonsense, burying bad news etc is highly fashionable and conducted by them all. Why bother with the truth or doing the right thing when you can spew a load of twaddle for the dimbos or blame somebody else before heading off to that oh so enjoyable HoC lunch?
The economy? The government aren’t interested any more than their predecessors were. You can always print money.
Migration? The successive governments haven't been interested since Blair threw the doors open and said figuratively all are welcome in the late 90s. In fact they must actively support unlimited immigration, as do the tories, otherwise the Danish model or something similar would have been adopted. A bit of honesty from the government here might help because regardless of its merits and even the truth of it, it is clearly a worry to people otherwise there would be no Reform. It is the elephant in the room.
Thats just two elements. There is plenty of other aspects including foreign policy, relations with Europe, green policies which while the aims are right in my view, how they are zealously going about it isn’t, benefits budget, treatment of people renting out their properties, the assault on those they do not consider labour supporters, tax, you name it.
Labour will ditch Starmer but for whom? Milliband? It wouldn't surprise me. Rayner? Possibly, but surely she’s tainted by swerving Stamp Duty. The political ‘talent’ has been thin for years. Echo chambers like that chancer Boris Johnson? Yay! Great in front of the camera with ruffled hair. Pity he is a waste of space. Starmer - safe pair of hands? Well only if he’s holding on to his expenses claims forms or his free tickets.
The main parties by focussing on themselves rather than doing the right thing have only themselves to blame for where they are. Shame its us that pay. |
Reform are Tories in a Turquoise rosette. | | | |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:07 - May 8 with 446 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:03 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Looking at the runners and the riders Labour would be made to get rid of Starmer. |
Burnham appeals up north, but there is no 'safe route' to him as an MP right now.
I agree, those that are left would be in Liz Truss territory in terms of effectiveness | | | |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:07 - May 8 with 446 views | itfcjoe |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:03 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Looking at the runners and the riders Labour would be made to get rid of Starmer. |
Unless there is a route to get Andy Burnham in, which seems incredibly difficult, then it is just not worth it | |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:09 - May 8 with 429 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:05 - May 8 by itfcjoe |
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
It's a post truth world, and the press are doing Farage's bidding for him and have been for a long time.
It's obvious where this heads to next, Reform in, things getting worse, but those at the heart of it enriching themselves massively at the expense of the people that vote for them |
Reform need to hold it together for 3 more years, without Farage either getting bored or getting himself expelled as an MP for whatever grift comes next.
The Evening Standard replacing their front page yesterday with a Reform ad says it all really. And yes, I know they're owned by Farage's russian mate...
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:10 - May 8 with 424 views | Guthrum |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 09:51 - May 8 by SomethingBlue |
Prefacing this by saying I am *not particularly a Starmer fan*. But I'd take the noise around him at face value if the multibillionaire-funded campaign to get him out hadn't started literally two days into his tenure – when we were already being force-fed that this was the worst government ever. There are very bad faith actors at work and the British people are falling for them, sadly I don't see much of a way out because a huge % of the population aren't equipped to deal with it. [Post edited 8 May 9:53]
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That having been said, and in the face of considerable economic headwinds, I do think there has been a large amount of political clumsiness in how they went about things, the timing of initiatives and the poor presentation thereof. Has given unnecessary fuel to critics and aided in painting a picture of u-turns and climb-downs.
Starmer also too obviously enjoys the international arena over domestic affairs. It's something he's not bad at, but that's the Foreign Secretary's job, not the PM's, at a time when things aren't great at home. |  |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:11 - May 8 with 413 views | MattinLondon |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:03 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Looking at the runners and the riders Labour would be made to get rid of Starmer. |
To a certain extent isn’t that like saying we shouldn’t sack a failing football manager because on the surface there isn’t anyone we can think of to replace him?
I don’t know the Labour Parliamentary Party well enough to conclude who is good or bad but keeping an unpopular leader in post (when in all likelihood his unpopularity will just go up) makes no real sense. | | | |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:13 - May 8 with 403 views | SomethingBlue |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:10 - May 8 by Guthrum |
That having been said, and in the face of considerable economic headwinds, I do think there has been a large amount of political clumsiness in how they went about things, the timing of initiatives and the poor presentation thereof. Has given unnecessary fuel to critics and aided in painting a picture of u-turns and climb-downs.
Starmer also too obviously enjoys the international arena over domestic affairs. It's something he's not bad at, but that's the Foreign Secretary's job, not the PM's, at a time when things aren't great at home. |
I agree with all of that. I just sense little of it matters – because the machine to get him (or any Labour PM who might succeed him) out and Farage in is relentless and remorseless. Something needs to happen for people to wake up and I just don't know what that can be. [Post edited 8 May 10:14]
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:17 - May 8 with 385 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:05 - May 8 by itfcjoe |
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
It's a post truth world, and the press are doing Farage's bidding for him and have been for a long time.
It's obvious where this heads to next, Reform in, things getting worse, but those at the heart of it enriching themselves massively at the expense of the people that vote for them |
Post-truth world
And of course can't take any scrutiny and the media just roll over, rather than the next journalist asking the same question and not let him escape any questions.
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:19 - May 8 with 381 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:13 - May 8 by SomethingBlue |
I agree with all of that. I just sense little of it matters – because the machine to get him (or any Labour PM who might succeed him) out and Farage in is relentless and remorseless. Something needs to happen for people to wake up and I just don't know what that can be. [Post edited 8 May 10:14]
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One of the GB News presenters said their task was to remove Starmer and then once he's gone move on to the next leader.
It will simply be a find and replace tactic for 3 years.
They've recruited the best of the best though
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:22 - May 8 with 374 views | Guthrum |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:13 - May 8 by SomethingBlue |
I agree with all of that. I just sense little of it matters – because the machine to get him (or any Labour PM who might succeed him) out and Farage in is relentless and remorseless. Something needs to happen for people to wake up and I just don't know what that can be. [Post edited 8 May 10:14]
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As someone elsewhere said, Farage may get bored or disgrace himself.
Besides which, if the results in a General Election reflected yesterday (which is unlikely, on past experience), then Reform would not have won. Simply a Hung Parliament with Reform well short of the numbers even for a functional minority governmennt. I still doubt the Conservatives would ally too closely, as it would mean their effective throwing in of the towel and ceasing to exist as a separate organisation. | |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:23 - May 8 with 361 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:22 - May 8 by Guthrum |
As someone elsewhere said, Farage may get bored or disgrace himself.
Besides which, if the results in a General Election reflected yesterday (which is unlikely, on past experience), then Reform would not have won. Simply a Hung Parliament with Reform well short of the numbers even for a functional minority governmennt. I still doubt the Conservatives would ally too closely, as it would mean their effective throwing in of the towel and ceasing to exist as a separate organisation. |
Interesting analysis from Peter Kellner (ex YouGov) - it won't gain traction of course as it's not suiting the narrative this morning.
"Behind the impressive tally of Reform’s gains – likely to end up well over 1,000 – Nigel Farage should be privately worried. In last year’s local elections Reform won 41 per cent of all seats contested across England. On the basis of the overnight figures, this year’s tally is around 33 per cent. If there were no polls, and there had been no elections last year, this year’s figure would be astonishing. But we do have the record of recent polls and elections, and it seems clear that Reform has peaked …
In contrast to Reform, Labour has cause for relief, despite losing half the seats it was defending yesterday. It’s bad – and in normal times it would be catastrophic – but it’s not as bad as its record in local council by-elections over the past 12 months, where it hast lost three-quarters of the seats it was defending …" | | | |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:25 - May 8 with 351 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:22 - May 8 by Guthrum |
As someone elsewhere said, Farage may get bored or disgrace himself.
Besides which, if the results in a General Election reflected yesterday (which is unlikely, on past experience), then Reform would not have won. Simply a Hung Parliament with Reform well short of the numbers even for a functional minority governmennt. I still doubt the Conservatives would ally too closely, as it would mean their effective throwing in of the towel and ceasing to exist as a separate organisation. |
One of the arguments for fptp is to keep our dodgy extreme parties. The current situation though, appears to be one where PR would give the best chance of achieving that. The non reform vote is being split three or even four ways. A real risk that let's them in. | |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:32 - May 8 with 325 views | Guthrum |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:25 - May 8 by redrickstuhaart |
One of the arguments for fptp is to keep our dodgy extreme parties. The current situation though, appears to be one where PR would give the best chance of achieving that. The non reform vote is being split three or even four ways. A real risk that let's them in. |
However, these are also local elections, traditionally used by those who don't consider they count for much (!) and want to register national political protests.
Additionally, the Reform gains look huge, but it's from a standing start. These seats haven't been contested since 2022, when the party did not really exist as a force and Farage wasn't leader. Also at a time when Labour were the protest vote against a Conservative government. There's bound to be a large swing by those who don't like The Government (in whatever form) at all. The "I don't trust politicians, they're all dodgy" crowd. | |
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| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:33 - May 8 with 321 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:10 - May 8 by Guthrum |
That having been said, and in the face of considerable economic headwinds, I do think there has been a large amount of political clumsiness in how they went about things, the timing of initiatives and the poor presentation thereof. Has given unnecessary fuel to critics and aided in painting a picture of u-turns and climb-downs.
Starmer also too obviously enjoys the international arena over domestic affairs. It's something he's not bad at, but that's the Foreign Secretary's job, not the PM's, at a time when things aren't great at home. |
There will always be wars and instability in the world, it seems a cop out to me that our politicians of all colours have left us so ill equipped to deal with them. Ukraine and the ensuing inflationary crisis - we were hardest hit in the G7. Our energy policy has left us totally reliant on gas and global supply chains. Offshoring our industry, food production, and energy has come back to haunt us and will continue to do so.
Farage wants to make it worse with his hostility to renewables, and Greens with their opposition to nuclear - SMR’s could be a game changer. People wouldn’t be suckered into the anti-elite charade from Reform had Labour and Tories actually made people’s lives better. Housing costs are amongst the highest in the west yet immigration hit 1m net, wages haven’t risen, and youth unemployment is growing due to an almost unlimited labour market. Public services are still on their knees. I get it takes time, but other than nationalisation of the rail network, very little has changed. They’ve been riddled by incompetency like Rayner and the Mandelson thing, it just looks like business as usual with a bet less overt corruption.
Hopefully this result will be a wake up call to them, but I’m not optimistic- they seem totally unprepared for power despite being a shoe-in and a huge majority in the general election. | | | |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:34 - May 8 with 314 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| What excuse will Mr Starmer use this time on 10:25 - May 8 by redrickstuhaart |
One of the arguments for fptp is to keep our dodgy extreme parties. The current situation though, appears to be one where PR would give the best chance of achieving that. The non reform vote is being split three or even four ways. A real risk that let's them in. |
Hopefully ‘Restore’ will split the Reform vote in the same way. | | | |
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