| Will England ever hold a World Cup again 10:42 - Jun 7 with 2779 views | BelsteadCav |
I’ve seen lots of arguments online stating the main reason we’ll never hold a World Cup again is the lack of big stadiums. Our 30k and 40k stadiums just aren’t big enough for FIFA. I know that sounds totally bizarre.
Also FIFA wouldn’t let games played at Anfield because the pitch is too small.
Looks at the last 3 world cups, Russia Qatar and USA. Hardly footballing countries.
I’d love to see a World Cup here before I die, but it doesn’t look like it will ever happen. |  |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 10:58 - Jun 7 with 2699 views | urbanpenguin |
I think the main reason is that FIFA will only want to hold it at countries that are ok with corruption, bending tax laws, and otherwise illegal ticket reselling.
I expect for a while now it will only be in authoritarian nations such as Saudi, US and Qatar. |  |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 11:04 - Jun 7 with 2658 views | SE1blue |
6 countries are hosting matches in 2030, so don’t give up.
Morocco, Spain, and Portugal (no doubt so Ronaldo can play in the centennial tournament at the age of 73).
And Uruguay, Paraguay and Argentina (see Messi for same reasons as Ronaldo above) are hosting the opening games.
2034 will probably literally be a World Cup with each nation across the globe hosting a game. |  |
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| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 11:28 - Jun 7 with 2544 views | unstableblue |
See combined list below, add in Wembley. Our climate, pitch quality, training grounds, transport and ability to manage policing and logistics around games is second to none.
But currently Stadium of Light is I guess the smallest ground we can put forward. In comparison to this World Cup.
Positively there are stadium expansions in flight or in plan - Villa, Newcastle, Leeds, Palace, TOWN, I think also Arsenal.
I think also we’ll show how a real tournament should look in 2 years at the Euros. Where of course Dublin, Cardiff and Glasgow stadiums give larger capacity venues. The English grounds for that stadium (interesting on Manc and Liverpool grounds) are: Wembley, Man City, Everton, Newcastle, Spurs.
82,500 MetLife Stadium (World Cup Final, USA)
78,576 New York/New Jersey Stadium (FIFA tournament capacity)
74,244 Old Trafford (Manchester United)
70,122 Dallas Stadium / AT&T Stadium (World Cup)
69,650 Los Angeles Stadium / SoFi Stadium (World Cup)
69,391 San Francisco Bay Area Stadium / Levi's Stadium (World Cup)
68,311 Houston Stadium / NRG Stadium (World Cup)
67,513 Kansas City Stadium / Arrowhead Stadium (World Cup)
67,382 Atlanta Stadium / Mercedes-Benz Stadium (World Cup)
65,827 Philadelphia Stadium / Lincoln Financial Field (World Cup)
65,123 Seattle Stadium / Lumen Field (World Cup)
64,091 Miami Stadium / Hard Rock Stadium (World Cup)
63,815 Boston Stadium / Gillette Stadium (World Cup)
62,850 Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
62,500 London Stadium (West Ham)
61,276 Anfield (Liverpool)
60,704 Emirates Stadium (Arsenal)
52,769 Hill Dickinson Stadium (Everton)
52,264 St James' Park (Newcastle)
50,113 Monterrey Stadium / Estadio BBVA (World Cup)
48,821 BC Place (World Cup)
48,095 Stadium of Light (Sunderland)
44,330 Guadalajara Stadium / Estadio Akron (World Cup)
44,315 Toronto Stadium / BMO Field (World Cup)
43,205 Villa Park (Aston Villa)
40,044 Stamford Bridge (Chelsea)
37,645 Elland Road (Leeds United)
31,876 Amex Stadium (Brighton)
31,750 Molineux (Wolves)
30,404 City Ground (Nottingham Forest)
27,782 Craven Cottage (Fulham)
25,194 Selhurst Park (Crystal Palace)
21,990 Turf Moor (Burnley)
17,250 Gtech Community Stadium (Brentford)
11,307 Vitality Stadium (Bournemouth) |  |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 11:31 - Jun 7 with 2530 views | J2BLUE |
Yes, 100%. If stadium capacity is an issue, it is pretty easily solved by having it across Britain. Or even The UK + ROI.
Look at the host cities for this world cup. If they can do that, what is to stop Europe as a whole bidding?
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| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 11:39 - Jun 7 with 2455 views | StokieBlue |
| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 11:28 - Jun 7 by unstableblue |
See combined list below, add in Wembley. Our climate, pitch quality, training grounds, transport and ability to manage policing and logistics around games is second to none.
But currently Stadium of Light is I guess the smallest ground we can put forward. In comparison to this World Cup.
Positively there are stadium expansions in flight or in plan - Villa, Newcastle, Leeds, Palace, TOWN, I think also Arsenal.
I think also we’ll show how a real tournament should look in 2 years at the Euros. Where of course Dublin, Cardiff and Glasgow stadiums give larger capacity venues. The English grounds for that stadium (interesting on Manc and Liverpool grounds) are: Wembley, Man City, Everton, Newcastle, Spurs.
82,500 MetLife Stadium (World Cup Final, USA)
78,576 New York/New Jersey Stadium (FIFA tournament capacity)
74,244 Old Trafford (Manchester United)
70,122 Dallas Stadium / AT&T Stadium (World Cup)
69,650 Los Angeles Stadium / SoFi Stadium (World Cup)
69,391 San Francisco Bay Area Stadium / Levi's Stadium (World Cup)
68,311 Houston Stadium / NRG Stadium (World Cup)
67,513 Kansas City Stadium / Arrowhead Stadium (World Cup)
67,382 Atlanta Stadium / Mercedes-Benz Stadium (World Cup)
65,827 Philadelphia Stadium / Lincoln Financial Field (World Cup)
65,123 Seattle Stadium / Lumen Field (World Cup)
64,091 Miami Stadium / Hard Rock Stadium (World Cup)
63,815 Boston Stadium / Gillette Stadium (World Cup)
62,850 Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
62,500 London Stadium (West Ham)
61,276 Anfield (Liverpool)
60,704 Emirates Stadium (Arsenal)
52,769 Hill Dickinson Stadium (Everton)
52,264 St James' Park (Newcastle)
50,113 Monterrey Stadium / Estadio BBVA (World Cup)
48,821 BC Place (World Cup)
48,095 Stadium of Light (Sunderland)
44,330 Guadalajara Stadium / Estadio Akron (World Cup)
44,315 Toronto Stadium / BMO Field (World Cup)
43,205 Villa Park (Aston Villa)
40,044 Stamford Bridge (Chelsea)
37,645 Elland Road (Leeds United)
31,876 Amex Stadium (Brighton)
31,750 Molineux (Wolves)
30,404 City Ground (Nottingham Forest)
27,782 Craven Cottage (Fulham)
25,194 Selhurst Park (Crystal Palace)
21,990 Turf Moor (Burnley)
17,250 Gtech Community Stadium (Brentford)
11,307 Vitality Stadium (Bournemouth) |
Would the RFU let Twickenham be used which is 82,000?
I don't think capacity is an issue, I think most grounds in the PL are larger than the Spanish, Portuguese and Moroccan grounds.
Looking at your list you could host it just in London with those grounds (obviously wouldn't do that).
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 12:13 - Jun 7 with 2334 views | stonojnr |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 11:31 - Jun 7 by J2BLUE |
Yes, 100%. If stadium capacity is an issue, it is pretty easily solved by having it across Britain. Or even The UK + ROI.
Look at the host cities for this world cup. If they can do that, what is to stop Europe as a whole bidding?
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whats to stop Europe doing it ? lol, we cant even get our home nations together often to agree things that might be beneficial, like a team GB Olympic football team, because theyre worried it might lose them influence and power as a separate football federation.
you want all the European federations to agree to host something even though it means theyll all lose the individual prestige, influence and money boost for it.
and who gets the final ? Wembley is a quarter of a century old design, in a near 20 year old structure,now as a stadium, with victorian era public transport links, thats why its such a pain to get there and then away from it.
most of the other Euro federations would I suspect lobby for a central european location.
I think as Brits we have a very Brit-centric view of the game and its heritage in this country, hence the how is it possible weve only held the WC once questions, but that FIFA doesnt really care about that, and actually alot of the world doesnt care about anymore either. |  | | |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 12:34 - Jun 7 with 2254 views | cressi |
No | | | |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 12:38 - Jun 7 with 2228 views | RIPbobby |
I bet that there is a huge amount of bribery involved. Unfortunately the beautiful game is ran by people who want to make money. |  | | |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 13:27 - Jun 7 with 2069 views | jasondozzell |
We don't really deserve to after Wembley in 2021 frankly. |  | | |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 13:29 - Jun 7 with 2065 views | SE1blue |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 13:27 - Jun 7 by jasondozzell |
We don't really deserve to after Wembley in 2021 frankly. |
Yes, I was surprised by the comment ‘our policing is second to none’ earlier. | |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 14:01 - Jun 7 with 1986 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 10:58 - Jun 7 by urbanpenguin |
I think the main reason is that FIFA will only want to hold it at countries that are ok with corruption, bending tax laws, and otherwise illegal ticket reselling.
I expect for a while now it will only be in authoritarian nations such as Saudi, US and Qatar. |
So a Reform government could see it happen. |  |
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| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 14:07 - Jun 7 with 1955 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 11:28 - Jun 7 by unstableblue |
See combined list below, add in Wembley. Our climate, pitch quality, training grounds, transport and ability to manage policing and logistics around games is second to none.
But currently Stadium of Light is I guess the smallest ground we can put forward. In comparison to this World Cup.
Positively there are stadium expansions in flight or in plan - Villa, Newcastle, Leeds, Palace, TOWN, I think also Arsenal.
I think also we’ll show how a real tournament should look in 2 years at the Euros. Where of course Dublin, Cardiff and Glasgow stadiums give larger capacity venues. The English grounds for that stadium (interesting on Manc and Liverpool grounds) are: Wembley, Man City, Everton, Newcastle, Spurs.
82,500 MetLife Stadium (World Cup Final, USA)
78,576 New York/New Jersey Stadium (FIFA tournament capacity)
74,244 Old Trafford (Manchester United)
70,122 Dallas Stadium / AT&T Stadium (World Cup)
69,650 Los Angeles Stadium / SoFi Stadium (World Cup)
69,391 San Francisco Bay Area Stadium / Levi's Stadium (World Cup)
68,311 Houston Stadium / NRG Stadium (World Cup)
67,513 Kansas City Stadium / Arrowhead Stadium (World Cup)
67,382 Atlanta Stadium / Mercedes-Benz Stadium (World Cup)
65,827 Philadelphia Stadium / Lincoln Financial Field (World Cup)
65,123 Seattle Stadium / Lumen Field (World Cup)
64,091 Miami Stadium / Hard Rock Stadium (World Cup)
63,815 Boston Stadium / Gillette Stadium (World Cup)
62,850 Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
62,500 London Stadium (West Ham)
61,276 Anfield (Liverpool)
60,704 Emirates Stadium (Arsenal)
52,769 Hill Dickinson Stadium (Everton)
52,264 St James' Park (Newcastle)
50,113 Monterrey Stadium / Estadio BBVA (World Cup)
48,821 BC Place (World Cup)
48,095 Stadium of Light (Sunderland)
44,330 Guadalajara Stadium / Estadio Akron (World Cup)
44,315 Toronto Stadium / BMO Field (World Cup)
43,205 Villa Park (Aston Villa)
40,044 Stamford Bridge (Chelsea)
37,645 Elland Road (Leeds United)
31,876 Amex Stadium (Brighton)
31,750 Molineux (Wolves)
30,404 City Ground (Nottingham Forest)
27,782 Craven Cottage (Fulham)
25,194 Selhurst Park (Crystal Palace)
21,990 Turf Moor (Burnley)
17,250 Gtech Community Stadium (Brentford)
11,307 Vitality Stadium (Bournemouth) |
I am not sure where the OP's assertion about capacities comes from. I think the bigger issue is that FIFA want different continents to host in rotation. Looking forward to the Antarctica one, although I am sure Trump will get the stadia built in Greenland for it after he has annexed it!
The way ahead does appear to be joint bids across multiple countries. Whether the UK could get that over the line or would need to join with Spain/France/Netherlands or something is another question. The country's political determination to isolate itself doesn't help there. | |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 14:10 - Jun 7 with 1930 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 13:29 - Jun 7 by SE1blue |
Yes, I was surprised by the comment ‘our policing is second to none’ earlier. |
I guess "second to none" is open to more than one interpretation in that it comes to second to having none at all!
Just to be clear, despite all its obvious failings, I believe our police force is still amongst the best and least corrupt in the world and that total anarchy would be a disaster. | |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 14:18 - Jun 7 with 1908 views | unstableblue |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 13:29 - Jun 7 by SE1blue |
Yes, I was surprised by the comment ‘our policing is second to none’ earlier. |
Fair point SE1 - that was a disaster. But in part the organisers and police didn’t expect that many non ticket fans to descend so early, get so hammered, and then try and storm the Wembley perimeter.
I do still think our police are very good at football crowd policing. If they can handle some of the UK derbies they can handle anything. | |
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| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 14:19 - Jun 7 with 1902 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 11:39 - Jun 7 by StokieBlue |
Would the RFU let Twickenham be used which is 82,000?
I don't think capacity is an issue, I think most grounds in the PL are larger than the Spanish, Portuguese and Moroccan grounds.
Looking at your list you could host it just in London with those grounds (obviously wouldn't do that).
SB [Post edited 7 Jun 11:40]
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Bid with Scotland and you have 2 decent sized stadiums to add to the mix:
Murrayfield 67,000
Celtic Park 61,000
Hampden and Ibrox are in the 50s.
Add Wales and you have Millennium Stadium 74,500
If FAI would countenance a joint bid then Croke Park, at 82,500, becomes a possibility. | | | |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 14:21 - Jun 7 with 1895 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 14:18 - Jun 7 by unstableblue |
Fair point SE1 - that was a disaster. But in part the organisers and police didn’t expect that many non ticket fans to descend so early, get so hammered, and then try and storm the Wembley perimeter.
I do still think our police are very good at football crowd policing. If they can handle some of the UK derbies they can handle anything. |
Whether or not that was what happened, the authorities did not handle it effectively. If they failed to prepare for it, that doesn't really excuse them.
EDIT: And, fan behaviour is part of it. If English-based fans really are mainly drunken, drug-fuelled hooligans, I guess the organisers are more likely to steer clear of them.
FURTHER EDIT: "If they can handle some of the UK derbies they can handle anything." clearly doesn't fit the context provided either! [Post edited 7 Jun 14:24]
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 14:45 - Jun 7 with 1831 views | Churchman |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 14:21 - Jun 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Whether or not that was what happened, the authorities did not handle it effectively. If they failed to prepare for it, that doesn't really excuse them.
EDIT: And, fan behaviour is part of it. If English-based fans really are mainly drunken, drug-fuelled hooligans, I guess the organisers are more likely to steer clear of them.
FURTHER EDIT: "If they can handle some of the UK derbies they can handle anything." clearly doesn't fit the context provided either! [Post edited 7 Jun 14:24]
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Agree entirely. Why on earth would you stage it in this country?? |  | | |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 15:20 - Jun 7 with 1701 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 14:45 - Jun 7 by Churchman |
Agree entirely. Why on earth would you stage it in this country?? |
I guess the argument would be that there are similar problems with policing and fan behaviour in other countries that have played host. We do have the infrastructure required but would need to demonstrate that lessons have been learned on how to properly handle the events.
As a Brit, it would be great if it were here (but ultimately frustrating when tickets will be far too expensive and impossible to get hold of).
From any other nationality perspective you are probably right. | |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 15:45 - Jun 7 with 1623 views | GeoffSentence |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 10:58 - Jun 7 by urbanpenguin |
I think the main reason is that FIFA will only want to hold it at countries that are ok with corruption, bending tax laws, and otherwise illegal ticket reselling.
I expect for a while now it will only be in authoritarian nations such as Saudi, US and Qatar. |
Belorussia and North Korea must have a good shout for hosting a world cup. Can you imagine Kim Jong Un with is FIFA peace Prize |  |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 15:46 - Jun 7 with 1623 views | Zx1988 |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 10:58 - Jun 7 by urbanpenguin |
I think the main reason is that FIFA will only want to hold it at countries that are ok with corruption, bending tax laws, and otherwise illegal ticket reselling.
I expect for a while now it will only be in authoritarian nations such as Saudi, US and Qatar. |
This entirely.
The main one that springs to mind is Brazil overturning their ban on alcohol in stadia at FIFA's behest in 2014.
I can't see that we'd ever be as subservient as other countries that are currently hosting and, for that reason, we'll probably never host again - along with most of the traditional footballing powerhouses. | |
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| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 16:05 - Jun 7 with 1594 views | giant_stow |
| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 11:28 - Jun 7 by unstableblue |
See combined list below, add in Wembley. Our climate, pitch quality, training grounds, transport and ability to manage policing and logistics around games is second to none.
But currently Stadium of Light is I guess the smallest ground we can put forward. In comparison to this World Cup.
Positively there are stadium expansions in flight or in plan - Villa, Newcastle, Leeds, Palace, TOWN, I think also Arsenal.
I think also we’ll show how a real tournament should look in 2 years at the Euros. Where of course Dublin, Cardiff and Glasgow stadiums give larger capacity venues. The English grounds for that stadium (interesting on Manc and Liverpool grounds) are: Wembley, Man City, Everton, Newcastle, Spurs.
82,500 MetLife Stadium (World Cup Final, USA)
78,576 New York/New Jersey Stadium (FIFA tournament capacity)
74,244 Old Trafford (Manchester United)
70,122 Dallas Stadium / AT&T Stadium (World Cup)
69,650 Los Angeles Stadium / SoFi Stadium (World Cup)
69,391 San Francisco Bay Area Stadium / Levi's Stadium (World Cup)
68,311 Houston Stadium / NRG Stadium (World Cup)
67,513 Kansas City Stadium / Arrowhead Stadium (World Cup)
67,382 Atlanta Stadium / Mercedes-Benz Stadium (World Cup)
65,827 Philadelphia Stadium / Lincoln Financial Field (World Cup)
65,123 Seattle Stadium / Lumen Field (World Cup)
64,091 Miami Stadium / Hard Rock Stadium (World Cup)
63,815 Boston Stadium / Gillette Stadium (World Cup)
62,850 Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
62,500 London Stadium (West Ham)
61,276 Anfield (Liverpool)
60,704 Emirates Stadium (Arsenal)
52,769 Hill Dickinson Stadium (Everton)
52,264 St James' Park (Newcastle)
50,113 Monterrey Stadium / Estadio BBVA (World Cup)
48,821 BC Place (World Cup)
48,095 Stadium of Light (Sunderland)
44,330 Guadalajara Stadium / Estadio Akron (World Cup)
44,315 Toronto Stadium / BMO Field (World Cup)
43,205 Villa Park (Aston Villa)
40,044 Stamford Bridge (Chelsea)
37,645 Elland Road (Leeds United)
31,876 Amex Stadium (Brighton)
31,750 Molineux (Wolves)
30,404 City Ground (Nottingham Forest)
27,782 Craven Cottage (Fulham)
25,194 Selhurst Park (Crystal Palace)
21,990 Turf Moor (Burnley)
17,250 Gtech Community Stadium (Brentford)
11,307 Vitality Stadium (Bournemouth) |
Nice interesting list, but why no Wembley at the top, out of interest? It would just put a more respectable twist on the US / England comparison. |  |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 16:52 - Jun 7 with 1497 views | J2BLUE |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 12:13 - Jun 7 by stonojnr |
whats to stop Europe doing it ? lol, we cant even get our home nations together often to agree things that might be beneficial, like a team GB Olympic football team, because theyre worried it might lose them influence and power as a separate football federation.
you want all the European federations to agree to host something even though it means theyll all lose the individual prestige, influence and money boost for it.
and who gets the final ? Wembley is a quarter of a century old design, in a near 20 year old structure,now as a stadium, with victorian era public transport links, thats why its such a pain to get there and then away from it.
most of the other Euro federations would I suspect lobby for a central european location.
I think as Brits we have a very Brit-centric view of the game and its heritage in this country, hence the how is it possible weve only held the WC once questions, but that FIFA doesnt really care about that, and actually alot of the world doesnt care about anymore either. |
It was more of a general point that it doesn't have to be England alone. I could see FIFA moving to confederation based hosting.
12 host cities. Something like London, Barcelona, Paris, Istanbul, Milan, Berlin, Athens, Dublin, Lisbon, Budapest, Warsaw and Stockholm.
Camp Nou final. | | | |
| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 17:39 - Jun 7 with 1397 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Euros is brilliant anyway you have two summers to look forward to, similar to Germany if will all be in one place or common travel area so will be a good chance to embrace the entire tournament. |  |
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| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 11:57 - Jun 8 with 844 views | Pendejo |
| On the capacity front - see this combined list of World Cup and Prem grounds on 14:07 - Jun 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I am not sure where the OP's assertion about capacities comes from. I think the bigger issue is that FIFA want different continents to host in rotation. Looking forward to the Antarctica one, although I am sure Trump will get the stadia built in Greenland for it after he has annexed it!
The way ahead does appear to be joint bids across multiple countries. Whether the UK could get that over the line or would need to join with Spain/France/Netherlands or something is another question. The country's political determination to isolate itself doesn't help there. |
Pedant alert
Greenland is almost literally poles apart from Antarctica |  |
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| Will England ever hold a World Cup again on 21:11 - Jun 8 with 551 views | BloomBlue |
We had a chance but after the crap security and policing at the Euro 2020 final we lost any chance of holding a WC. |  | | |
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