| Harry Winks 13:27 - Jun 7 with 3744 views | Nutkins_Return |
People who shoot down the suggestion based on last season but as one of say 5 CM he could be a good acquisition. I do think we will need more pace and power for the other signings but Winks will cost next to nothing (maybe in the £2-3 mil range) and brings a cool head and a lot of experience.
McKenna was his coach at youth level and was looking at him and the main thing that went wrong Was the fallout from his confrontation with fans. His underlying stats were decent and his ball retention excellent. Keeps things ticking from defence to attack. Very comfortable on the ball and collecting the ball from the back which we have struggled with recently.
Good player. Not the 'beast node' type midfielder we will need as well but essentially a better Dan Neil with loads of prem experience. |  |
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| Harry Winks on 21:36 - Jun 7 with 635 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Harry Winks on 20:41 - Jun 7 by Nutkins_Return |
Don't be ridiculous. I'm fairly confident I'm reasonably qualified to know a good player ;)
What I don't do is base opinion on fan sentiment. Ever (unless it was something serious outside of football).
Some signings will need to be pragmatic and not bums off seats type signings.
I don't think I've ever had a strong multi downvote post before. Crikey! The people have spoken. [Post edited 7 Jun 20:43]
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“ I'm fairly confident I'm reasonably qualified to know a good player”
Ooof. Bold claim given this thread. |  |
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| Harry Winks on 22:23 - Jun 7 with 565 views | strikalite |
| Harry Winks on 13:31 - Jun 7 by Nutkins_Return |
The other ones worth a look of course are J James, Fatawu and Monga for me.
They didn't all be one bad players because of the relegation and I think Leicester was toxic.
James being a Championship relegation expert is concerning but also played with Matusiwa before and seemed their stand out. |
Let's go and pinch Monga before Arsenal do, what a statement that would be, that lad is going to be an absolute star.. |  | | |
| Harry Winks on 22:50 - Jun 7 with 528 views | TripSwitch |
| Harry Winks on 13:30 - Jun 7 by BABLUE |
A bad egg per my Leicester supporting mates.
He’s been out of the team under a number of managers for that reason
On £80k a week too |
Can confirm. A really bad influence in the dressing room. Likes to undermine managers and is lazy in training, sets a poor example to the younger players.
Plus he's really not that good. A ball retention sideways and back ways merchant but offers little in either box plus he is really reluctant to get stuck in
This is a truly horrific shout by the OP. |  |
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| Harry Winks on 23:06 - Jun 7 with 517 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Harry Winks on 21:36 - Jun 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
“ I'm fairly confident I'm reasonably qualified to know a good player”
Ooof. Bold claim given this thread. |
It's not really and for multiple reasons.
I understand the drill. Winks isn't an exciting player and coming off the back of a season for a club that stinks from the top. He's a high level Skuse really and we know a lot of people never got Skuse as a player. A lot of fans never got Xhaka as a player at Arsenal (he was hounded) - not comparing the player just the scenario.
I could take or leave Winks in terms of it not being an exciting signing. But it's good quality and experience (multiple England caps) as part of wider recruitment that I was throwing up for debate. Fully aware it wouldnt be popular but was just putting the case forward rationally he is a quality player coming off the back of a difficult time. In a McKenna environment he could be a prudent if not widely popular signing. | |
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| Harry Winks on 23:36 - Jun 7 with 476 views | TripSwitch |
| Harry Winks on 23:06 - Jun 7 by Nutkins_Return |
It's not really and for multiple reasons.
I understand the drill. Winks isn't an exciting player and coming off the back of a season for a club that stinks from the top. He's a high level Skuse really and we know a lot of people never got Skuse as a player. A lot of fans never got Xhaka as a player at Arsenal (he was hounded) - not comparing the player just the scenario.
I could take or leave Winks in terms of it not being an exciting signing. But it's good quality and experience (multiple England caps) as part of wider recruitment that I was throwing up for debate. Fully aware it wouldnt be popular but was just putting the case forward rationally he is a quality player coming off the back of a difficult time. In a McKenna environment he could be a prudent if not widely popular signing. |
Wrong type of character, McKenna wouldn't consider him for that reason.
Also not good enough for the PL. Too many physical limitations and although technically good not good enough to compensate | |
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| Harry Winks on 23:42 - Jun 7 with 465 views | Churchman |
| Harry Winks on 23:06 - Jun 7 by Nutkins_Return |
It's not really and for multiple reasons.
I understand the drill. Winks isn't an exciting player and coming off the back of a season for a club that stinks from the top. He's a high level Skuse really and we know a lot of people never got Skuse as a player. A lot of fans never got Xhaka as a player at Arsenal (he was hounded) - not comparing the player just the scenario.
I could take or leave Winks in terms of it not being an exciting signing. But it's good quality and experience (multiple England caps) as part of wider recruitment that I was throwing up for debate. Fully aware it wouldnt be popular but was just putting the case forward rationally he is a quality player coming off the back of a difficult time. In a McKenna environment he could be a prudent if not widely popular signing. |
Correction: used to be a quality player. He isn’t now. He has the stench of somebody happy to have made his dough but won’t mind if another load of mugs lob another wheelbarrow load to him.
He and the like are the last type of player we need. If you are going to go for experience, they have to have the right level of drive, commitment, professionalism. Mowbray and Wark had it and so does Xhaka. You cannot put that into a person. They have it or they don’t.
One of the reasons Leicester have gone through the floor is too many has been billy bigbollox players like Winks who don’t have that. |  | | |
| Harry Winks on 00:04 - Jun 8 with 445 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Harry Winks on 23:06 - Jun 7 by Nutkins_Return |
It's not really and for multiple reasons.
I understand the drill. Winks isn't an exciting player and coming off the back of a season for a club that stinks from the top. He's a high level Skuse really and we know a lot of people never got Skuse as a player. A lot of fans never got Xhaka as a player at Arsenal (he was hounded) - not comparing the player just the scenario.
I could take or leave Winks in terms of it not being an exciting signing. But it's good quality and experience (multiple England caps) as part of wider recruitment that I was throwing up for debate. Fully aware it wouldnt be popular but was just putting the case forward rationally he is a quality player coming off the back of a difficult time. In a McKenna environment he could be a prudent if not widely popular signing. |
Carlton Palmer had multiple England Caps.
Edit: Sorry only just picked up on this, "He's a high level Skuse really"
If we are after 'High level Skuse' we deserve to be relegated, and probably with the lowest points total in Premier League history.
High level Skuse, Deary me. [Post edited 8 Jun 0:07]
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| Harry Winks on 00:21 - Jun 8 with 426 views | BABLUE |
| Harry Winks on 23:06 - Jun 7 by Nutkins_Return |
It's not really and for multiple reasons.
I understand the drill. Winks isn't an exciting player and coming off the back of a season for a club that stinks from the top. He's a high level Skuse really and we know a lot of people never got Skuse as a player. A lot of fans never got Xhaka as a player at Arsenal (he was hounded) - not comparing the player just the scenario.
I could take or leave Winks in terms of it not being an exciting signing. But it's good quality and experience (multiple England caps) as part of wider recruitment that I was throwing up for debate. Fully aware it wouldnt be popular but was just putting the case forward rationally he is a quality player coming off the back of a difficult time. In a McKenna environment he could be a prudent if not widely popular signing. |
For the reasons outlined in my earlier posts he is not someone that we should be anywhere near to signing.
I’d think of another player and start again if I were you |  | | |
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| Harry Winks on 07:01 - Jun 8 with 374 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Harry Winks on 00:04 - Jun 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Carlton Palmer had multiple England Caps.
Edit: Sorry only just picked up on this, "He's a high level Skuse really"
If we are after 'High level Skuse' we deserve to be relegated, and probably with the lowest points total in Premier League history.
High level Skuse, Deary me. [Post edited 8 Jun 0:07]
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For goodness sake. Busquets is high level Skuse. It's a type of player. Stop trying to manipulate it like I'm saying we need 'Skuse'. That's a role on the pitch.
Anyway, I'm in no way desperate to land Winks. I was just making the argument as a squad option (which we will need) there is a case for a player like that. As per OP I wasn't suggesting him as a starter. Just an experienced head with quality in the group.
A lot of people mentioning his attitude and if it's bad of course not. Not sure that is true though.
We can all move on. The depth of feeling on Winks is clear. 🤣 | |
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| Harry Winks on 08:18 - Jun 8 with 323 views | Churchman |
| Harry Winks on 07:01 - Jun 8 by Nutkins_Return |
For goodness sake. Busquets is high level Skuse. It's a type of player. Stop trying to manipulate it like I'm saying we need 'Skuse'. That's a role on the pitch.
Anyway, I'm in no way desperate to land Winks. I was just making the argument as a squad option (which we will need) there is a case for a player like that. As per OP I wasn't suggesting him as a starter. Just an experienced head with quality in the group.
A lot of people mentioning his attitude and if it's bad of course not. Not sure that is true though.
We can all move on. The depth of feeling on Winks is clear. 🤣 |
There’s 169 pages on Winks on Leicester’s forum. It’s fair to say that he’s about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool. Just one view of him:
‘In the EPL he made himself known as a EFL player, opponents often identified him as a weakness, as he just went missing without the ball, and kept losing possession, just not enough quality, but unlike other players no work ethic, strength, height, toughness to compensate.’
One of the main feelings (which might of course be nonsense) is that his attitude stinks.
Players like this are easy to find. Pension seekers, crocks, last payday merchants, ‘big names’, big egos are two a penny, or in Winks’ case two a £80k or whatever he’s on. Experience is a good thing but only if it’s married to the right attitude. Maybe Winks is misrepresented and two relegations in two seasons were nothing to do with him because he was let down in his lung busting efforts by the rest, but Leicester supports don’t think so.
Recruiting is tough, as we found when Phillips took us to the cleaners. Really tough. For every success like Sunderland, there's a Leicester, West Ham and Wolves. We have limited funds and I’ll be controversial and go against the popular view and say that signing potential as the club tried to do with mixed results is a better option. Ideally though, you want a mix.
Edit: good examples of players here at the fag end of their careers with experience are Paul Goddard and Sylvain Legwinski. Proper professionals. [Post edited 8 Jun 8:32]
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| Speaking to Leicester fans after the Portman Road game… on 08:36 - Jun 8 with 303 views | unstableblue |
… they were ‘very disappointed’ with his performances through what became a relegation season.
Especially given the high wages he was receiving.
But of note they thought his performance at our place was the best of his season at that point, and reminded how good he can be. FotMob also gave him a strong rating that day.
Leicester really did play up that day. |  |
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| Speaking to Leicester fans after the Portman Road game… on 09:04 - Jun 8 with 272 views | Churchman |
| Speaking to Leicester fans after the Portman Road game… on 08:36 - Jun 8 by unstableblue |
… they were ‘very disappointed’ with his performances through what became a relegation season.
Especially given the high wages he was receiving.
But of note they thought his performance at our place was the best of his season at that point, and reminded how good he can be. FotMob also gave him a strong rating that day.
Leicester really did play up that day. |
Quite a number of teams did, particularly at their place. It kind of makes the achievement of promotion all the more satisfying. | | | |
| Harry Winks on 09:10 - Jun 8 with 266 views | hype313 |
He's the antithesis of a McKenna signing. |  |
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| Speaking to Leicester fans after the Portman Road game… on 09:19 - Jun 8 with 245 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Speaking to Leicester fans after the Portman Road game… on 08:36 - Jun 8 by unstableblue |
… they were ‘very disappointed’ with his performances through what became a relegation season.
Especially given the high wages he was receiving.
But of note they thought his performance at our place was the best of his season at that point, and reminded how good he can be. FotMob also gave him a strong rating that day.
Leicester really did play up that day. |
He was really good at PR tbf to him.
But Leicester always seem to turn up vs us. Thank god we don't have to play them next season. |  |
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| Harry Winks on 10:24 - Jun 8 with 213 views | darkhorse28 |
| Harry Winks on 19:34 - Jun 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Watch a few of Leicester's games over the last two years where he is aimlessly wandering around the pitch and you'd have a clear explanation of why not.
Think Jonny Douglas v Newcastle every single game, and you've got Winks sewn up.
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That’s poor. Douglas was a fantastic player, just not so much at 33. Played in a fantastic Blackburn side at a higher level than anyone at our club currently has achieved.
Winks is 30, they’re nothing like each other…, maybe try to critically evaluate, instead of just trying to follow a consensus for a like.
How many times did you say you watched Winks? .., not enough to form a strong opinion.
Good player. One of too many that probably isn’t good enough, but would actually improve us, that says a lot about us, especially at CDM. Because he would be a better option than Jens, Taylor, and Neil .., what does that say. We spent a lot of money to have league one players that realistically might improve us.
If he’s so terrible, relegated to league one, but yeah, the England international who was outstanding in their 97 point title season, likely would improve us.
Maybe your next post could be about Epstein, Prince Andrew, Migration, or hating Norwich.
Better a comfortable consensus, than try to provide any insight.
Go and watch Harry, the season they finished above our miracle to clinch a title, and tell me he wasn’t a Rolls Royce that season …, arguably them cheating to sign him for £10 million was the biggest reason they won the title.
Excellent player who’s lost his way. | | | |
| Harry Winks on 12:30 - Jun 8 with 164 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Harry Winks on 10:24 - Jun 8 by darkhorse28 |
That’s poor. Douglas was a fantastic player, just not so much at 33. Played in a fantastic Blackburn side at a higher level than anyone at our club currently has achieved.
Winks is 30, they’re nothing like each other…, maybe try to critically evaluate, instead of just trying to follow a consensus for a like.
How many times did you say you watched Winks? .., not enough to form a strong opinion.
Good player. One of too many that probably isn’t good enough, but would actually improve us, that says a lot about us, especially at CDM. Because he would be a better option than Jens, Taylor, and Neil .., what does that say. We spent a lot of money to have league one players that realistically might improve us.
If he’s so terrible, relegated to league one, but yeah, the England international who was outstanding in their 97 point title season, likely would improve us.
Maybe your next post could be about Epstein, Prince Andrew, Migration, or hating Norwich.
Better a comfortable consensus, than try to provide any insight.
Go and watch Harry, the season they finished above our miracle to clinch a title, and tell me he wasn’t a Rolls Royce that season …, arguably them cheating to sign him for £10 million was the biggest reason they won the title.
Excellent player who’s lost his way. |
"We spent a lot of money to have league one players that realistically might improve us."
3 promotions in 4 years. |  |
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| Harry Winks on 19:09 - Jun 8 with 44 views | Radlett_blue |
| Harry Winks on 09:10 - Jun 8 by hype313 |
He's the antithesis of a McKenna signing. |
I'm not saying we should sign Winks, but we are unlikely to be able to compete with the established, mid ranking PL clubs for players who are known to be capable of performing at this level & who don't come with some risk or baggage. See Kalvin Phillips - a gamble which failed, but would we have been enthusiastic about signing Granit Xhaka? |  |
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| Harry Winks on 19:14 - Jun 8 with 32 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Harry Winks on 19:09 - Jun 8 by Radlett_blue |
I'm not saying we should sign Winks, but we are unlikely to be able to compete with the established, mid ranking PL clubs for players who are known to be capable of performing at this level & who don't come with some risk or baggage. See Kalvin Phillips - a gamble which failed, but would we have been enthusiastic about signing Granit Xhaka? |
I would have been | |
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