| The Classic Ashton thread 15:32 - Jun 19 with 3959 views | waveneyblue |
Utterly depressing how everything this bloke does is picked apart by the usual posters who still consider him the devil incarnate.
I still maintain that any sane fan would have taken the last 4 years warts and all for whats been achieved, but this bunch just wont let it go.
Tedious. |  | | |  |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 00:07 - Jun 20 with 432 views | waveneyblue |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 00:04 - Jun 20 by FrimleyBlue |
But if you dont give a monkies ignore it.
I dont like the fella i refrain from saying to much about him but i can undwrstand when others do esp on a day where hes involved in the days news |
Cheers, voice of reason Frimmers. | | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 00:18 - Jun 20 with 409 views | Whos_blue |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 23:52 - Jun 19 by waveneyblue |
I couldnt give a monkies if you lot like Ashton.
Its the negativity, snide comments, at every decision.
Its pathetic |
To be fair wavers you do make quite a lot of fuss about people not liking Ashton for someone who doesn't care if people like Ashton.
For me it perfectly reasonable or sane (as you referenced in the OP) to understand the important part Ashton has played in the remarkable revolution under Gamechanger. There really is no doubt about that.
However, for some people, myself included, the Farage debacle was a disgrace and it has changed the way we feel about him.
I don't bang the drum for Ashton to go like others do, but I'm not sure where you get to say their opinion is less valid than yours.
I put the team ahead of Ashton in the same way I did as Evans systematically dismantled our club but I won't shed many tears when he does eventually go.
I can only surmise you and others (and there are admittedly plenty) are more accepting of Ashton's behaviour over the Farage visit than I or others are.
I don't think that difference of opinion makes me any less of a fan. |  |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 00:56 - Jun 20 with 387 views | waveneyblue |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 00:18 - Jun 20 by Whos_blue |
To be fair wavers you do make quite a lot of fuss about people not liking Ashton for someone who doesn't care if people like Ashton.
For me it perfectly reasonable or sane (as you referenced in the OP) to understand the important part Ashton has played in the remarkable revolution under Gamechanger. There really is no doubt about that.
However, for some people, myself included, the Farage debacle was a disgrace and it has changed the way we feel about him.
I don't bang the drum for Ashton to go like others do, but I'm not sure where you get to say their opinion is less valid than yours.
I put the team ahead of Ashton in the same way I did as Evans systematically dismantled our club but I won't shed many tears when he does eventually go.
I can only surmise you and others (and there are admittedly plenty) are more accepting of Ashton's behaviour over the Farage visit than I or others are.
I don't think that difference of opinion makes me any less of a fan. |
The bit after "myself included...."
I lost interest, because it follows my original comment.
Sorry | | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 01:50 - Jun 20 with 327 views | AdrianPazDidUseDAZ |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 19:18 - Jun 19 by darkhorse28 |
He’s the CEO, he’s the head of talent ID, the Chairman and the ONLY football voice at the club - the ONLY voice.
I you don’t think that warrants scrutiny. Especially when we’ve just lost the actual football IQ at the club in McKenna and potentially a generational talent, partly because side of Ashton and a clear breakdown in relationship, or certainly a deterioration.
There’s no doubt (from me at least) he’s done an excellent job in many areas, engagement has been good, getting player deals down has been excellent, professional standards have largely been an improvement, and the obvious success in the pitch has been excellent.
BUT talent ID with resources had been poor.
He’s forced a top coach out of the club, or certainly hasn’t helped.
He seem incapable of talent ID or attracting a top manager at this level.
He looks totally out of his depth at this level in truth…, and that doesn’t mean he’s not effective in the EFL.
Your guilty of what you seem to be accusing other of, being reductive, and only wanting to see one side.
His success includes the worst season in our clubs entire history, and in a few days I suspect we’ll have a manger that will make it the second worse season in our history.
Nuance is important. There are times he deserves more credit for what he HAS done for the club, 100% true.., but equally the Bally clappers need to wake up.
We are Ashton FC now, and you’ve allowed that to happen. He has 100% control and even the media including Phil are petrified to offer any genuine critical evaluation …, that’s never good in any context, even if he was premier league level.
And he’s not.
The bus appointment will define Ashton. We have the resources and status to get a WORLD CLASS manager - and not a single one has been linked for a reason.
He’s not a world class CEO he’s not a world class chairman and he’s certainly not world class at talent id, and I wouldn’t index my reputation to him either!!
He’s just thrown our last manger under the bus announcing through a politician he’d be sacked!!!
Who wants that smoke??
And YOU clapping and conflating us to Morecombe is 100% why he has the keys to the castle with ZERO oversight.
I’ve made my lobby though, one point you do highlight very well is there’s no point banging on,
We’re stuck with Ashton FC, in the short to medium term, we are. Bigger than him though, MUCH bigger.
I half hope for Ole. That will bring Ashtons tenure to a speedier end, and we could 100% do worse than Ashton, far worse, but if we EVER want to be at this level, and in my opinion it’s where we should be, it won’t be with Mark, 100% you can bank that.
I’ve worked with and been the best in my field, it a business out of evaluating elite managers, with psychometrics to profile traits required.
Mark isn’t it. Sorry. He’s just not. Too fragile, too much need for control, and Ole, too agreeable to be an effective leader.
I can be wrong, it happens, it it’s not very often around judging elite leaders - not sure I’ve. Even wrong in decades.
It’s why Ashton breaks my heart.
He could have been a great part of a leadership group …, but he has zero self awareness around his weakness, and zero ability to let go of what others can do better than him.
If you keep just clapping …, with no critical thinking, the consequences can be decades of inertia, see us, Leeds etc etc
This was such a glorious opportunity, again!
Not Marks fault though. We have an ownership group that from a football perspective are AWOL!
If I was the money in the room and they’d put it all on one person, Mark or not, you run for the exit (just like Brett did).
Scrutiny. Standards. Critical thinking. They’re important.
Mark does deserve credit for what he has done though, including working I spect incredibly hard - and that’s the issue, I think he has to run hard to be here, which is 4/10 at this level…, he should have brought more talent in around him.
Would have been better for his career.
He won’t be here in 18 months. And you might be surprised after all our success how much closer we are to the group that he took over than we should be.
Look at our 25 buddy! Jesus. Our legacy group would beat us what, 2-0? A band of brothers that cost £2.50 and I’d bet my life they’d beat this group in any one off game - Leif V’s Leif would be interesting.
We’ve spent £250 million on players (gross) and we have a shockingly poor squad, and I know we’ll go spend and other £100 million, it after spending so much and been here before, if you need to, you’ve got bigger problems.
Ashton measured in promotions. Great.
Measured in squad develop based on resources, and five years - 3/10 at best.
And no. As per Spurs etc, it’s not because our training ground wasn’t a five star hotel, ask Lincoln and Coventry and Millwall.
The excuses are already in …, that’s NOT how elite people self talk and it 100% isn’t what they put out to the world.
Can you imagine Jose starting with a raft of reasons he’s about to do badly???? He’d tell you he’ll win the champions league with Morecombes reserve side!
Either Ashton go’s or we stay Ashton FC are the sum of his talents.
He’s every inch championship mid table, even with parachute payments.
McKenna carried him. And him appointing McKenna doesn’t mitigate that, because he’s appointed a LOT of poor managers too over the years (he’s about to do that again). |
I mean this sincerely and perhaps should DM you but has anyone ever suggested you should seek professional help? Maybe a doctor or psychiatrist? You make valid points but it always trends very negative and you start really digging down a negative hole. Perhaps speaking to someone may help you see the good in life? |  | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 06:58 - Jun 20 with 269 views | Benters |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 01:50 - Jun 20 by AdrianPazDidUseDAZ |
I mean this sincerely and perhaps should DM you but has anyone ever suggested you should seek professional help? Maybe a doctor or psychiatrist? You make valid points but it always trends very negative and you start really digging down a negative hole. Perhaps speaking to someone may help you see the good in life? |
I mean it must take a long time to write all that drivel,can’t get why so many people are on such a downer on here lately. |  |
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