| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel 22:06 - Jul 15 with 1815 views | FrimleyBlue |
Pss poor management, you are never in a million years defending 1-0 against argentina for 18 minutes. Jesus, 6 defenders on the pitch. you expect that if you're watching a non league side in the fa cup v a league 1 side or something, not when you've got saka, rashford etc on the bench.
We play football we win that game. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:09 - Jul 15 with 1755 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
We lost that game the same way we would have lost to Spain if we had gone ahead. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:13 - Jul 15 with 1688 views | Swansea_Blue |
I hear a lot about GON being a pragmatic manager. I hope that isn’t code for that sort of performance. If he sets us up like that I’ll want him out by the end of August. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:14 - Jul 15 with 1662 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:13 - Jul 15 by Swansea_Blue |
I hear a lot about GON being a pragmatic manager. I hope that isn’t code for that sort of performance. If he sets us up like that I’ll want him out by the end of August. |
I wouldn't even call that pragmatic, it's a whole new level imo. I'm actually in shock from that. | |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:15 - Jul 15 with 1644 views | belgablue |
Yup and zero outlet - might work if you have something to keep them occupied but we had nothing. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:17 - Jul 15 with 1565 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:14 - Jul 15 by FrimleyBlue |
I wouldn't even call that pragmatic, it's a whole new level imo. I'm actually in shock from that. |
It was quite odd wasn’t it. And this is in a WC where small teams have had a go and got results. But we lacked the bottle and believe to continue to try and play and looked smaller than those small teams. A very weird end to the tournament, but not unexpected given he’d done the same against Mexico and Norway. | |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:21 - Jul 15 with 1496 views | quirkie |
1-0 up against Croatia, sit back all 2nd half, 1-0 up against Italy, sit back for 75 mins in that game. I thought that was the Southgate way.
So to be 1-0 up against Argentina never thought be even worse than Southgate but Tuchel managed it.
Another opportunity gone, English players certainly don't have the mental ability to win like Argentina or Germany ( when they have a half decent side ), but it doesn't help when we appoint managers who enforce these sort of tactics. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:23 - Jul 15 with 1465 views | NthQldITFC |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:15 - Jul 15 by belgablue |
Yup and zero outlet - might work if you have something to keep them occupied but we had nothing. |
No mobility up front at all as an outlet.
Wrong number 9 completely for that scenario. Should have got Toney on after 75. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:26 - Jul 15 with 1425 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:23 - Jul 15 by NthQldITFC |
No mobility up front at all as an outlet.
Wrong number 9 completely for that scenario. Should have got Toney on after 75. |
I know i've made a point about Kane and I know he was involved in the goal tonight, but we've got to start using other strikers in some of our qualifiers and other games, we need to find an england without kane in it otherwise we never seem to trust others when they are needed. | |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:29 - Jul 15 with 1377 views | Swansea_Blue |
Joe Hart nails the post match analysis: “I saw no patterns of play that would have allowed us to keep possession (in response to Xxx saying we should have built on the goal). 100% this. That’s why we’ve never quite clicked and why we’ve had people saying maybe the next game is when we see a complete performance. That’s why we’ve had to rely heavily on Kane and Bellingham to get us out of trouble. That’s why Spain can cut their way through any team without breaking sweat. And that’s the difference. | |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:33 - Jul 15 with 1335 views | TractorWood |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:23 - Jul 15 by NthQldITFC |
No mobility up front at all as an outlet.
Wrong number 9 completely for that scenario. Should have got Toney on after 75. |
Kane is not the right player in that situation. Agree. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:34 - Jul 15 with 1294 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:29 - Jul 15 by Swansea_Blue |
Joe Hart nails the post match analysis: “I saw no patterns of play that would have allowed us to keep possession (in response to Xxx saying we should have built on the goal). 100% this. That’s why we’ve never quite clicked and why we’ve had people saying maybe the next game is when we see a complete performance. That’s why we’ve had to rely heavily on Kane and Bellingham to get us out of trouble. That’s why Spain can cut their way through any team without breaking sweat. And that’s the difference. |
This is all true but I don't think we had the quality to keep possession against them either. I think that going toe-to-toe with them still results in the same outcome. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:36 - Jul 15 with 1268 views | RadioOrwell |
With all those defenders we weren’t even winning the headers and not many second balls.
Bloke for the equaliser was in acres of space. |  | | |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:40 - Jul 15 with 1203 views | BlueForYou |
Is it just me, or do we simply lose our shape & ability to score whenever Gordon is taken off..?? The subs haven’t helped us much really. |  | | |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:44 - Jul 15 with 1170 views | pointofblue |
It's got so bad I'm agreeing with Rooney. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:44 - Jul 15 with 1168 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:34 - Jul 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
This is all true but I don't think we had the quality to keep possession against them either. I think that going toe-to-toe with them still results in the same outcome. |
Really? They were not that goid.
After the goal we played like a div 2 team v a premier league team trying to hang on.
Gave them midfield and attack
Awful tactics
And no centre mid back up really hurt us
Wasted opportunity
Argentina are not that good |  | | |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:46 - Jul 15 with 1129 views | Trequartista |
Thing is with Mexico, they didn't get anything on our goal so we carried on with what was working.
With Argentina they hit the post twice and had two other gilt-edged chances. I don't know how many warning shots we wanted? Everybody could see it coming except the only person who could change our tactics. [Post edited 15 Jul 22:47]
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:47 - Jul 15 with 1107 views | TractorWood |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:44 - Jul 15 by pointofblue |
It's got so bad I'm agreeing with Rooney. |
This. He's got it all right tonight. | |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:50 - Jul 15 with 1012 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:34 - Jul 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
This is all true but I don't think we had the quality to keep possession against them either. I think that going toe-to-toe with them still results in the same outcome. |
Agreed. That was my point. We don’t have the patterns of play ingrained that allow us to play through teams or play our way out of trouble. You could see it constantly with players calling for others to move and getting frustrated with each other when nobody showed for a pass or throw in. It’s not a player quality issue, it’s a movement and teamwork issue.
England remind me of us last season a bit. Some decent players compared to their peers, but never quite clicking as a team. To be fair, that’s probably the normal position for most teams. You have to be something a bit special to be greater than the sum of your parts. England certainly aren’t. | |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 23:35 - Jul 15 with 838 views | MVBlue |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:17 - Jul 15 by Swansea_Blue |
It was quite odd wasn’t it. And this is in a WC where small teams have had a go and got results. But we lacked the bottle and believe to continue to try and play and looked smaller than those small teams. A very weird end to the tournament, but not unexpected given he’d done the same against Mexico and Norway. |
This. Nail on the head. Cape Verde showed them no respect and were attacking their goal in the final minute. Thats how you do it. |  |
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| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 23:37 - Jul 15 with 829 views | MVBlue |
| Really hope bellingham calls out tuchel on 22:34 - Jul 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
This is all true but I don't think we had the quality to keep possession against them either. I think that going toe-to-toe with them still results in the same outcome. |
Nope look at Cape Verdes game with them | |
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