| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? 10:04 - Jul 21 with 1574 views | Billywitch |
Seems to have taken over my twitter feed the last 24 hrs, anything between 1500-2000, what I'd call hardcore, supporters getting season tickets taken off them/banned. Various "offences" such as passing on a ticket with no financial gain (if they couldn't make a match)
I'm no MUFC fan of course, but as a football fan its sht to see other football fans get treated in this manner. Because it could so easily happen to us all in time. |  | | |  |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:08 - Jul 21 | Cheltenham_Blue |
Thankfully we aren't run by Ratcliffe. |  |
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| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:12 - Jul 21 | nrb1985 |
Unfortunately, as I posted on here some time a go, this type of thing is simply part of the slow and inevitable americanisation of English football.
They want "legacy" fans in the stadium to be kept to a minimum and in an ideal world, fill it with day trippers who buy all the merchandise and are happy to pay up for individual match tickets.
Just look at this world cup for the direction of travel in the UK. [Post edited 21 Jul 11:01]
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| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:22 - Jul 21 | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:12 - Jul 21 by nrb1985 |
Unfortunately, as I posted on here some time a go, this type of thing is simply part of the slow and inevitable americanisation of English football.
They want "legacy" fans in the stadium to be kept to a minimum and in an ideal world, fill it with day trippers who buy all the merchandise and are happy to pay up for individual match tickets.
Just look at this world cup for the direction of travel in the UK. [Post edited 21 Jul 11:01]
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Take me out to the (foot)ball game.
They'd love it to be a sea of foam fingers, branded caps and footlong hotdogs.
Were consumers now, not fans.
Next up PL Allstars game, 8 team play offs to decide who goes through to the 7 game EPL finals MVP (vote now texts cost £2.50 plus your standard network rate)
And matches again the Moss Side World travelers where Jack Greleash runs the length of the pitch with the ball stuffed down his shorts and shakes out down the leg to score to much mirth.
Games gone [Post edited 21 Jul 10:24]
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| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:28 - Jul 21 | Billywitch |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:12 - Jul 21 by nrb1985 |
Unfortunately, as I posted on here some time a go, this type of thing is simply part of the slow and inevitable americanisation of English football.
They want "legacy" fans in the stadium to be kept to a minimum and in an ideal world, fill it with day trippers who buy all the merchandise and are happy to pay up for individual match tickets.
Just look at this world cup for the direction of travel in the UK. [Post edited 21 Jul 11:01]
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I "think" we, as in ITFC, are safe for some time yet. Not exactly a buzzing tourism from Asia/America round here so they'd never be able to flog 30k tickets at £200 each.
But I take your point, why sell a season ticket to Tony from Manchester at £550/650 when he wont spend £100 on food and drink in the stadium each game, when you could flog it to a family over here on a holiday and will spend for the experience. | | | |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:33 - Jul 21 | Basuco |
I spoke with a Man Utd fan on the tram after the last Ipswich game at Old Trafford, he told me that ST's for the following season were not allowed to share their ST with friends or family, had to release the ticket back to the club for re-sale and only allowed to do this for 3 games a season or it would be taken away. He had a broad Irish accent and after our conversation I did wonder how many fans share an ST due to financial/work/family/travel commitments. I also think clubs that sell out every game prefer to charge inflated prices to tourist fans rather than the "real" of life long fans. |  | | |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:34 - Jul 21 | Guthrum |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:12 - Jul 21 by nrb1985 |
Unfortunately, as I posted on here some time a go, this type of thing is simply part of the slow and inevitable americanisation of English football.
They want "legacy" fans in the stadium to be kept to a minimum and in an ideal world, fill it with day trippers who buy all the merchandise and are happy to pay up for individual match tickets.
Just look at this world cup for the direction of travel in the UK. [Post edited 21 Jul 11:01]
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Not sure it's quite so simple as that. Season Ticket holders are guaranteed income, committed for the whole amount from the start. That's valuable for a business where spending rules are based upon turnover. It might be a small proportion of overall income, but football is a game of fine margins.
Plus a lot of them, being dedicated fans, are likely to also be buying shirts and other merchandise (and, of course, they eat and drink no less than day trippers). |  |
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| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:37 - Jul 21 | nrb1985 |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:28 - Jul 21 by Billywitch |
I "think" we, as in ITFC, are safe for some time yet. Not exactly a buzzing tourism from Asia/America round here so they'd never be able to flog 30k tickets at £200 each.
But I take your point, why sell a season ticket to Tony from Manchester at £550/650 when he wont spend £100 on food and drink in the stadium each game, when you could flog it to a family over here on a holiday and will spend for the experience. |
Broader point isn't whether or when this happens to us, more that we have American owners as do so many teams now that we will likely end up just voting through whatever comes down the line from the "big boys" which, ex Man City, are all US owned.
There is a reason that even the two teams in sleepy East Anglia are now owned by US capital...and it's not because of their love for boating on the orwell or the broads.
As I said, it is not hard to see the direction of travel sadly. [Post edited 21 Jul 10:43]
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| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:39 - Jul 21 | nrb1985 |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:34 - Jul 21 by Guthrum |
Not sure it's quite so simple as that. Season Ticket holders are guaranteed income, committed for the whole amount from the start. That's valuable for a business where spending rules are based upon turnover. It might be a small proportion of overall income, but football is a game of fine margins.
Plus a lot of them, being dedicated fans, are likely to also be buying shirts and other merchandise (and, of course, they eat and drink no less than day trippers). |
If all of the above is true, what do you suggest as the reason that almost all the big clubs are going down this route?
EDIT: also, to your point about income rules, if you have enough of the votes it's not hard to change the rules - or indeed threaten to go and start your own league (again). [Post edited 21 Jul 10:42]
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| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:42 - Jul 21 | Guthrum |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:39 - Jul 21 by nrb1985 |
If all of the above is true, what do you suggest as the reason that almost all the big clubs are going down this route?
EDIT: also, to your point about income rules, if you have enough of the votes it's not hard to change the rules - or indeed threaten to go and start your own league (again). [Post edited 21 Jul 10:42]
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Wanting more control over how tickets are handled. Prevention of possible touting*.
Ticket terms and conditions have long included stuff about not giving or selling on. They're just enforcing them now (partly because it's technologically easier).
* Edit: A hot topic at the moment. [Post edited 21 Jul 10:44]
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| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:45 - Jul 21 | nrb1985 |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:42 - Jul 21 by Guthrum |
Wanting more control over how tickets are handled. Prevention of possible touting*.
Ticket terms and conditions have long included stuff about not giving or selling on. They're just enforcing them now (partly because it's technologically easier).
* Edit: A hot topic at the moment. [Post edited 21 Jul 10:44]
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Lolz. Have you met an American before?
When you say ticket touting - I think you mean prevent illegal touting so you can offer legal touting and take your cut:
https://www.nytimes.com/athlet
Dynamic pricing anyone also? It is all just so ludicrously transparent. [Post edited 21 Jul 10:46]
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| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:48 - Jul 21 | Guthrum |
| Anyone seen the news around Man Utd and banning fans? on 10:45 - Jul 21 by nrb1985 |
Lolz. Have you met an American before?
When you say ticket touting - I think you mean prevent illegal touting so you can offer legal touting and take your cut:
https://www.nytimes.com/athlet
Dynamic pricing anyone also? It is all just so ludicrously transparent. [Post edited 21 Jul 10:46]
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Yes, I think the resale bit is one of their considerations. It's all income, after all, in a sport where revenue gives purchasing power. | |
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