| How much left in the transfer kitty? 10:14 - Aug 27 with 1487 views | EssexBloo |
Room for that RW or LCB before window closed? |  | | |  |
| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 12:26 - Aug 27 with 1181 views | ringwoodblue |
Don’t be greedy!
But maybe another loan? |  |
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| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 13:14 - Aug 27 with 1045 views | jayessess |
So, let's work this out. Our income in 2024-25 was £155m.
Revenue in the PL is up 9% since then (per Deloitte), so we might be projected to make a little more than that (a 9% rise would take us to £168.96m)
We will have made modest book profits on Hirst (£5.75m, Clarke £3m, Muric £1.5m). Apparently you book your profits over 3 years now, so that would put another £3.4m in the kitty. So £172.36m
From disclosed and estimated fees and contract lengths, estimate is that with Palacios we will be booking about £70m in transfer fees this season (not just this season's transfer business, but also continuing booking segments of transfer fees we paid in the last 2 seasons). So those fees would be occupying around 40-41% of our revenue.
The green threshold is 85% of revenue, so under our previous revenue we'd have approximately £75.8m left of headroom from there for squad wages, manager wages, manager release fee, loan fees.
The red threshold is 115% of revenue, so that would be another £51,7m, but you get fines for spending that (and would need to cut back next season, especially if it gets above 100%).
Hard to know what our player+manager wage costs are. All the official accounts (like these: https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en that clubs submit are for their total salary cost, so hard to know what they're spending just on playing staff. Our total salary (all employees) cost last time was £77m, the next smallest was Southampton £118m, the smallest wage bill to stay up was Brentford's £131m.
All the estimates for player wages are much smaller but are just based on estimates and feel too low ( https://www.planetfootball.com ). I find it hard to believe that non-player employees occupied nearly half the club's wage costs in 2024-25.
Bearing all that in mind I'd be surprised if we're not already well over the green threshold, but probably not that close to the red one? [Post edited 27 Aug 13:32]
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| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 13:40 - Aug 27 with 958 views | debenhamblue |
So thats the two positions I think we could still realistically improve if these come off -
Don't forget we are allowed up to 3 loans | | | |
| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 13:51 - Aug 27 with 851 views | Mookamoo |
| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 13:14 - Aug 27 by jayessess |
So, let's work this out. Our income in 2024-25 was £155m.
Revenue in the PL is up 9% since then (per Deloitte), so we might be projected to make a little more than that (a 9% rise would take us to £168.96m)
We will have made modest book profits on Hirst (£5.75m, Clarke £3m, Muric £1.5m). Apparently you book your profits over 3 years now, so that would put another £3.4m in the kitty. So £172.36m
From disclosed and estimated fees and contract lengths, estimate is that with Palacios we will be booking about £70m in transfer fees this season (not just this season's transfer business, but also continuing booking segments of transfer fees we paid in the last 2 seasons). So those fees would be occupying around 40-41% of our revenue.
The green threshold is 85% of revenue, so under our previous revenue we'd have approximately £75.8m left of headroom from there for squad wages, manager wages, manager release fee, loan fees.
The red threshold is 115% of revenue, so that would be another £51,7m, but you get fines for spending that (and would need to cut back next season, especially if it gets above 100%).
Hard to know what our player+manager wage costs are. All the official accounts (like these: https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en that clubs submit are for their total salary cost, so hard to know what they're spending just on playing staff. Our total salary (all employees) cost last time was £77m, the next smallest was Southampton £118m, the smallest wage bill to stay up was Brentford's £131m.
All the estimates for player wages are much smaller but are just based on estimates and feel too low ( https://www.planetfootball.com ). I find it hard to believe that non-player employees occupied nearly half the club's wage costs in 2024-25.
Bearing all that in mind I'd be surprised if we're not already well over the green threshold, but probably not that close to the red one? [Post edited 27 Aug 13:32]
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Didn't we also get a bit for Baggott and have some Delap money to add?
They also must be quite confident they can get a profit on Mehmeti and we will get at least something for Ogbene and Palmer before the window shuts. |  | | |
| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 13:51 - Aug 27 with 851 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 13:14 - Aug 27 by jayessess |
So, let's work this out. Our income in 2024-25 was £155m.
Revenue in the PL is up 9% since then (per Deloitte), so we might be projected to make a little more than that (a 9% rise would take us to £168.96m)
We will have made modest book profits on Hirst (£5.75m, Clarke £3m, Muric £1.5m). Apparently you book your profits over 3 years now, so that would put another £3.4m in the kitty. So £172.36m
From disclosed and estimated fees and contract lengths, estimate is that with Palacios we will be booking about £70m in transfer fees this season (not just this season's transfer business, but also continuing booking segments of transfer fees we paid in the last 2 seasons). So those fees would be occupying around 40-41% of our revenue.
The green threshold is 85% of revenue, so under our previous revenue we'd have approximately £75.8m left of headroom from there for squad wages, manager wages, manager release fee, loan fees.
The red threshold is 115% of revenue, so that would be another £51,7m, but you get fines for spending that (and would need to cut back next season, especially if it gets above 100%).
Hard to know what our player+manager wage costs are. All the official accounts (like these: https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en that clubs submit are for their total salary cost, so hard to know what they're spending just on playing staff. Our total salary (all employees) cost last time was £77m, the next smallest was Southampton £118m, the smallest wage bill to stay up was Brentford's £131m.
All the estimates for player wages are much smaller but are just based on estimates and feel too low ( https://www.planetfootball.com ). I find it hard to believe that non-player employees occupied nearly half the club's wage costs in 2024-25.
Bearing all that in mind I'd be surprised if we're not already well over the green threshold, but probably not that close to the red one? [Post edited 27 Aug 13:32]
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You book your profit / loss on disposal.
I reckon for this season / financial year:
Revenue: £180m
Player Wages & NI: £90m - £95m (£77m last time but that included non playing staff. Lets say it was £65m for players, and will be in the region of 50% higher this time).
Amortisation of transfer fees: £60m (in the region of £240m - £270m of signings in our squad by my maths, on 4 - 5 year deals).
Profit / Loss of disposals: Lets say in the region of £15m profit, largely from Hirst, Mehmeti, Clarke. Maybe Taylor too. I'm working on the assumption these profits will broadly cover agent fees (which were £11.7m last time).
c. £150m squad cost (per SCR rules) on £180m of Revenue = 83% SCR. [Post edited 27 Aug 14:57]
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| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 14:49 - Aug 27 with 683 views | jayessess |
| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 13:51 - Aug 27 by _CliveBaker_ |
You book your profit / loss on disposal.
I reckon for this season / financial year:
Revenue: £180m
Player Wages & NI: £90m - £95m (£77m last time but that included non playing staff. Lets say it was £65m for players, and will be in the region of 50% higher this time).
Amortisation of transfer fees: £60m (in the region of £240m - £270m of signings in our squad by my maths, on 4 - 5 year deals).
Profit / Loss of disposals: Lets say in the region of £15m profit, largely from Hirst, Mehmeti, Clarke. Maybe Taylor too. I'm working on the assumption these profits will broadly cover agent fees (which were £11.7m last time).
c. £150m squad cost (per SCR rules) on £180m of Revenue = 83% SCR. [Post edited 27 Aug 14:57]
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Think they've changed the rules on profit disposal this Summer, so it's done over 3 years now. | |
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| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 14:59 - Aug 27 with 611 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Down to our last £100m I reckon.
Sad times. |  |
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| How much left in the transfer kitty? on 15:03 - Aug 27 with 598 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Both please! |  |
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