| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension 18:37 - Sep 1 with 7197 views | RIPbobby |
Makes you sick that he does not see out his term and causes another £200k+ bi election. Total scum. Clearly did not care for the union. Takes the money and runs. |  | | |  |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 18:08 - Sep 2 with 955 views | balcombeblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 17:58 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
Reading this & some of the replies on the thread, I was about to point out that none of us knows the state of KS' health.
For all anybody on here knows, he could be suffering from burnout or anything else, but dutifully chose to stay in place until a suitable time for a break occurred.
Reminds me of the disrespect some on here showed to KM when he chose to take a break, arrogantly ascribing all sorts of motives to him which they couldn't possibly have known. |
I hope he is well. But the same courtesy isn’t extended on all sides and to all people |  | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:11 - Sep 2 with 875 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 17:58 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
Reading this & some of the replies on the thread, I was about to point out that none of us knows the state of KS' health.
For all anybody on here knows, he could be suffering from burnout or anything else, but dutifully chose to stay in place until a suitable time for a break occurred.
Reminds me of the disrespect some on here showed to KM when he chose to take a break, arrogantly ascribing all sorts of motives to him which they couldn't possibly have known. |
Can you get burn out from conducting an insanely offensive fraud on the nation whilst colluding with media and press pals?
I should imagine Starmer will turn up as NATO gen sec or on the board of a tech giant. That was the whole point of being him in being in power as far as he was concerned. How's it working out for us, the people?
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:46 - Sep 2 with 824 views | DJR |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 17:58 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
Reading this & some of the replies on the thread, I was about to point out that none of us knows the state of KS' health.
For all anybody on here knows, he could be suffering from burnout or anything else, but dutifully chose to stay in place until a suitable time for a break occurred.
Reminds me of the disrespect some on here showed to KM when he chose to take a break, arrogantly ascribing all sorts of motives to him which they couldn't possibly have known. |
This from his statement doesn't indicate burnout but does suggest he is not going back to the law. International affairs is probably what he was best at as PM.
"But it is now time to step aside and focus on other issues: international affairs including defence, security, trade and technology in a fast changing world.
I will also continue working with others as I have done over many decades to tackle violence against women and girls." [Post edited 2 Sep 19:50]
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 22:12 - Sep 2 with 728 views | balcombeblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 17:22 - Sep 2 by Freddies_Ears |
Re your excellent points re health care. I think we have defaulted to a kind of French system. NHS dentistry barely exists, such that 60% of UK adults have not used the system in 2 years. Going private for certain surgical procedures is now the norm for anyone who can afford, e.g. replacements knees, hips etc. Private GP surgeries are becoming more prevalent as the free sector us using more & more unqualified physicians / assistants. In work, a lot of people have access to private health care. |
Yes exactly. Our system is now a real mix of private, public, good and bad. It’s easy to point at France as a better model, which it is, but let’s not pretend any politician would advocate a different system | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 00:48 - Sep 3 with 648 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 17:41 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
.. which was a wind-up posted about 15 years ago, if not more. |
Less than that and no it wasn't. |  | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 05:06 - Sep 3 with 590 views | Benters |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 00:48 - Sep 3 by reusersfreekicks |
Less than that and no it wasn't. |
Worry you not Comrade I detest you as much as you detest me.
Yet there are members of the LBF and LAS that are decent folk,of course that is away from the main forum page.
BB.
TGM. |  |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 08:34 - Sep 3 with 514 views | Churchman |
What multi millionaire Starmer will get is attached:
https://www.instituteforgovern
So it’s not really pension. However, you can bet your back teeth that Sir Kier will (legally) rinse every last penny out of the hard working taxpayer. He has a track record and is very good at it.
https://www.declassifieduk.org
As for pensions, clever Kier nailed that one too.
https://www.property118.com/ke
My only worry for him is that some of the free stuff might drop off, now he’s out of No10 and quitting as an MP. Hopefully he’ll cope. |  | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 08:48 - Sep 3 with 481 views | balcombeblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 08:34 - Sep 3 by Churchman |
What multi millionaire Starmer will get is attached:
https://www.instituteforgovern
So it’s not really pension. However, you can bet your back teeth that Sir Kier will (legally) rinse every last penny out of the hard working taxpayer. He has a track record and is very good at it.
https://www.declassifieduk.org
As for pensions, clever Kier nailed that one too.
https://www.property118.com/ke
My only worry for him is that some of the free stuff might drop off, now he’s out of No10 and quitting as an MP. Hopefully he’ll cope. |
No new news, in that he is very detached from those he used to represent. He's a true Fabian. | | | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 08:54 - Sep 3 with 473 views | DJR |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 08:34 - Sep 3 by Churchman |
What multi millionaire Starmer will get is attached:
https://www.instituteforgovern
So it’s not really pension. However, you can bet your back teeth that Sir Kier will (legally) rinse every last penny out of the hard working taxpayer. He has a track record and is very good at it.
https://www.declassifieduk.org
As for pensions, clever Kier nailed that one too.
https://www.property118.com/ke
My only worry for him is that some of the free stuff might drop off, now he’s out of No10 and quitting as an MP. Hopefully he’ll cope. |
Regarding the last link, the purpose was to ensure Starmer's public sector pension was index-linked and had nothing to do with the lifetime allowance. And the instrument itself was signed by coalition government ministers. But clearly the instrument enabled those opposed to Starmer to make misleading political capital out of it.
https://ministryofinjustice.co
https://publications.parliamen
https://questions-statements.p
And to be honest, this obsession with what MPs and ministers etc earn or properly claim is a bit of a nonsense in my view, given how relatively little they are paid, and given the obscene amounts that footballers earn.
Freebies are a different matter though in my view.
But the moral of the tale is never taken anything on the internet on trust. [Post edited 3 Sep 9:25]
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 09:23 - Sep 3 with 422 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 00:48 - Sep 3 by reusersfreekicks |
Less than that and no it wasn't. |
You thought he was serious? He and I were far from getting on well back in those days, but that's ridiculous - at the very least Admin here would have banned him for it. |  |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 09:29 - Sep 3 with 406 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 08:54 - Sep 3 by DJR |
Regarding the last link, the purpose was to ensure Starmer's public sector pension was index-linked and had nothing to do with the lifetime allowance. And the instrument itself was signed by coalition government ministers. But clearly the instrument enabled those opposed to Starmer to make misleading political capital out of it.
https://ministryofinjustice.co
https://publications.parliamen
https://questions-statements.p
And to be honest, this obsession with what MPs and ministers etc earn or properly claim is a bit of a nonsense in my view, given how relatively little they are paid, and given the obscene amounts that footballers earn.
Freebies are a different matter though in my view.
But the moral of the tale is never taken anything on the internet on trust. [Post edited 3 Sep 9:25]
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Quite also:
Pm salary 180k
Typical KC earnings. C 500k.... |  |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:04 - Sep 3 with 353 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 08:54 - Sep 3 by DJR |
Regarding the last link, the purpose was to ensure Starmer's public sector pension was index-linked and had nothing to do with the lifetime allowance. And the instrument itself was signed by coalition government ministers. But clearly the instrument enabled those opposed to Starmer to make misleading political capital out of it.
https://ministryofinjustice.co
https://publications.parliamen
https://questions-statements.p
And to be honest, this obsession with what MPs and ministers etc earn or properly claim is a bit of a nonsense in my view, given how relatively little they are paid, and given the obscene amounts that footballers earn.
Freebies are a different matter though in my view.
But the moral of the tale is never taken anything on the internet on trust. [Post edited 3 Sep 9:25]
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Disagree, an MP gets a top 1pc salary, and an incredibly generous expense system that allows them to invest that salary and grow their wealth through property and investments (since they have to spend very little of it). If an MP doesn’t see that as wealthy, or find that anything other than an extremely comfortable standard of living, they should be nowhere near power.
We should be looking to attract people who want to do public service, not those looking to make vast sums of money. Footballer income is irrelevant, Chavez is thought to have ‘earned’ over $1bn in his time in power in Venezuela - I’m not sure you can argue that he was a success because he paid himself more than a footballer… | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:20 - Sep 3 with 318 views | Churchman |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 08:54 - Sep 3 by DJR |
Regarding the last link, the purpose was to ensure Starmer's public sector pension was index-linked and had nothing to do with the lifetime allowance. And the instrument itself was signed by coalition government ministers. But clearly the instrument enabled those opposed to Starmer to make misleading political capital out of it.
https://ministryofinjustice.co
https://publications.parliamen
https://questions-statements.p
And to be honest, this obsession with what MPs and ministers etc earn or properly claim is a bit of a nonsense in my view, given how relatively little they are paid, and given the obscene amounts that footballers earn.
Freebies are a different matter though in my view.
But the moral of the tale is never taken anything on the internet on trust. [Post edited 3 Sep 9:25]
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I don’t disagree with you. However if his expenses at DPP are two or three times his successor it tells you an awful lot about him but it’s important to stress that he’s done nothing illegal. | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:28 - Sep 3 with 300 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:20 - Sep 3 by Churchman |
I don’t disagree with you. However if his expenses at DPP are two or three times his successor it tells you an awful lot about him but it’s important to stress that he’s done nothing illegal. |
What does it say about him? It might say he's profligate. It might equally say he believed in spending time around the country actively engaging with staff etc or that his predecessor was doing far less than was appropriate. How have you reached your conclusion? | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:36 - Sep 3 with 286 views | balcombeblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:28 - Sep 3 by redrickstuhaart |
What does it say about him? It might say he's profligate. It might equally say he believed in spending time around the country actively engaging with staff etc or that his predecessor was doing far less than was appropriate. How have you reached your conclusion? |
All the historic pension stuff is all reasonable. No objections on that.
The freebies from Lord Ali are trivial in the grand scheme of things, but it was optically very bad for him (no pun intended). This clouded his early months in office and set the rot.
People can blame the right wing media all they like, but he fell into so many traps. | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:51 - Sep 3 with 271 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:36 - Sep 3 by balcombeblue |
All the historic pension stuff is all reasonable. No objections on that.
The freebies from Lord Ali are trivial in the grand scheme of things, but it was optically very bad for him (no pun intended). This clouded his early months in office and set the rot.
People can blame the right wing media all they like, but he fell into so many traps. |
So the criticism is now not one of substance but of not being savvy enough to avoid the gutter press making mountains of molehills?
Wow. | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 11:03 - Sep 3 with 261 views | Rsj13 |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:04 - Sep 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Disagree, an MP gets a top 1pc salary, and an incredibly generous expense system that allows them to invest that salary and grow their wealth through property and investments (since they have to spend very little of it). If an MP doesn’t see that as wealthy, or find that anything other than an extremely comfortable standard of living, they should be nowhere near power.
We should be looking to attract people who want to do public service, not those looking to make vast sums of money. Footballer income is irrelevant, Chavez is thought to have ‘earned’ over $1bn in his time in power in Venezuela - I’m not sure you can argue that he was a success because he paid himself more than a footballer… |
I think it's worth pointing out that an MP earns £98.5k, which would put them in the top 5% of earners. The top 1% earns more than double that salary.
There is no denying that MPs are - relative to the people they serve - very well paid. But it is not a 1% salary, and I'm fairly sure that Starmer will have earned more than his MP salary in many other roles. That said, I do acknowledge that the pay (and pension) for the PM are considerably more, and much, much closer to the 1% figure.
You are right that there is a... lets say lenient expenses policy, and the broader commercial opportunities for an ex-PM (keynote speaker circuit, column writing, etc) are rife, so the baseline figure of £98k is not the only thing, but this does not change the fact that it is not a 1% income.
I would hope that an MP would see themselves as wealthy (or certainly comfortable). But they would also likely look at other careers that they could do and earn as much or more, likely for fewer hours and less scrutiny.
I also agree that we should be looking to attract people that want to do public service, but I would say two things here:
1) Starmer has generally proved that he wanted to do public service. He has been a public servant most of his life, after all.
2) I would argue that one of the ways to make sure we attract our best people - across all social backgrounds - to public service is to making sure that the remuneration is sufficient and, as far as possible, comparable remuneration to other roles. Now I'm not saying that we should be paying middle management civil servants £100k, but there must surely come a point for high-performing civil servants to not go into the private sector where they will likely take a significant pay rise. For example, I got a 37% pay rise when I left public service. That's pretty hard to turn down when it comes knocking.
Sources:
MP Pay: https://www.parliament.uk/abou
Income percentiles: https://www.gov.uk/government/ | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 11:20 - Sep 3 with 246 views | Churchman |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:28 - Sep 3 by redrickstuhaart |
What does it say about him? It might say he's profligate. It might equally say he believed in spending time around the country actively engaging with staff etc or that his predecessor was doing far less than was appropriate. How have you reached your conclusion? |
From the Independent:
https://www.independent.co.uk/
I think it says he enjoys the finer things in life and knew how to use the system. That he gave up the chauffeur driven car to go four miles to his office after criticism tells me he knew it was a high on the hog perk rather than any sort of ‘spending time around the country actively engaging with staff’.
If you believe his successor did a poorer job because she claimed a third of what he did, I’d be interested in the evidence of that.
Saunders was not without criticism:
https://www.theguardian.com/la
Neither was Starmer
https://www.theguardian.com/po
But there are people on this forum who have worked in that world and have a far more informed view than me. And don’t forget, however much Starmer enjoyed the trappings, he did nothing illegal. | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 11:48 - Sep 3 with 211 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 11:03 - Sep 3 by Rsj13 |
I think it's worth pointing out that an MP earns £98.5k, which would put them in the top 5% of earners. The top 1% earns more than double that salary.
There is no denying that MPs are - relative to the people they serve - very well paid. But it is not a 1% salary, and I'm fairly sure that Starmer will have earned more than his MP salary in many other roles. That said, I do acknowledge that the pay (and pension) for the PM are considerably more, and much, much closer to the 1% figure.
You are right that there is a... lets say lenient expenses policy, and the broader commercial opportunities for an ex-PM (keynote speaker circuit, column writing, etc) are rife, so the baseline figure of £98k is not the only thing, but this does not change the fact that it is not a 1% income.
I would hope that an MP would see themselves as wealthy (or certainly comfortable). But they would also likely look at other careers that they could do and earn as much or more, likely for fewer hours and less scrutiny.
I also agree that we should be looking to attract people that want to do public service, but I would say two things here:
1) Starmer has generally proved that he wanted to do public service. He has been a public servant most of his life, after all.
2) I would argue that one of the ways to make sure we attract our best people - across all social backgrounds - to public service is to making sure that the remuneration is sufficient and, as far as possible, comparable remuneration to other roles. Now I'm not saying that we should be paying middle management civil servants £100k, but there must surely come a point for high-performing civil servants to not go into the private sector where they will likely take a significant pay rise. For example, I got a 37% pay rise when I left public service. That's pretty hard to turn down when it comes knocking.
Sources:
MP Pay: https://www.parliament.uk/abou
Income percentiles: https://www.gov.uk/government/ |
If Starmer left a more lucrative career to become an MP (and ultimately PM), it kind of proves the point they are paid enough. Any social background can do the job on 98k + benefits, if you are suggesting working class people might be deterrent, that’s ludicrous- working class people aren’t earning anywhere close to that. If you are the other end of the sociopath-economic spectrum then the MP salary is irrelevant (think Sunak, and other trust fund politicians). The only thing I’d look at on MP remuneration would be performance related LTIP’s (eg health minister on waiting lists etc) as frankly most of them have Sh1t track records and have left the country, public services, and and it’s finances in a dreadful state.
As for civil servants, that’s different as they aren’t getting the generous expense package. Though I would suggest most people on 100k in the private sector are on 100k are probably working more hours than the equivalent public sector worker. | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 12:28 - Sep 3 with 157 views | balcombeblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 10:51 - Sep 3 by redrickstuhaart |
So the criticism is now not one of substance but of not being savvy enough to avoid the gutter press making mountains of molehills?
Wow. |
That’s the reality of politics. It has ever been so.
Looking forward to Burnham doing similar | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 12:30 - Sep 3 with 153 views | mellowblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:11 - Sep 2 by jasondozzell |
Can you get burn out from conducting an insanely offensive fraud on the nation whilst colluding with media and press pals?
I should imagine Starmer will turn up as NATO gen sec or on the board of a tech giant. That was the whole point of being him in being in power as far as he was concerned. How's it working out for us, the people?
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with his legal background, the Hague, maybe ? | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 12:35 - Sep 3 with 141 views | JammyDodgerrr |
One of the wisest things a leader of something can do, is move on after being replaced. It gives the new person breathing room to do things their own way. Starmer in the commons wouldn't really of benefitted anyone. It's probably the right choice. |  |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 12:41 - Sep 3 with 129 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 12:35 - Sep 3 by JammyDodgerrr |
One of the wisest things a leader of something can do, is move on after being replaced. It gives the new person breathing room to do things their own way. Starmer in the commons wouldn't really of benefitted anyone. It's probably the right choice. |
If his heart isn;t in it anymore (and I can see why that might be), its definitely best for his constituents for him to move on.
I wonder if Polanski can win it? |  |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 13:06 - Sep 3 with 109 views | balcombeblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 12:41 - Sep 3 by giant_stow |
If his heart isn;t in it anymore (and I can see why that might be), its definitely best for his constituents for him to move on.
I wonder if Polanski can win it? |
I hope so. More entertainment | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 13:19 - Sep 3 with 100 views | mrshallisfit |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:15 - Sep 1 by RIPbobby |
Stop being so pedantic you loser. We all know why he did it.
Try and enjoy life instead of being a complete low life and picking at text. Try and smile. Kiss your loved ones and stop carrying anger. |
Stop carrying anger....from someone who is calling everyone else a loser. Jeez. | | | |
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