| Why are there so many "religious" players now? 13:31 - Sep 13 with 10756 views | Meadowlark |
Do any of our players point to the sky when they walk on to the pitch?
Ive just been watching MOTD and there's quite a lot of this nonsense.
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 17:58 - Sep 13 with 1031 views | positivity |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 17:48 - Sep 13 by jontysnut |
It's no worse than having lucky shin pads, doing a hop skip and jump before coming on or Paul Ince insisting on coming out last with his top off. I myself think it's all a load of old toffee but each to their own. |
always wondered what would happen if someone else joined the team with the same ritual, who gets their way?
(probably ince in that case!) [Post edited 13 Sep 17:58]
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 18:01 - Sep 13 with 1022 views | mellowblue |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 16:34 - Sep 13 by Meadowlark |
Thank-you. I feel suitably admonished.
Your explanation of the "free-kicks arm" bears no relation to what actually happens. It's nonsense. [Post edited 13 Sep 16:39]
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I am in admonishing mood, ha ha.
I was explaining the historical nature of it, presumably if done today, it must mean something to somebody , otherwise as you say it is pretty pointless. | | | |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 18:07 - Sep 13 with 995 views | mellowblue |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 16:26 - Sep 13 by redrickstuhaart |
This is what is known as a "deepity". The statement is correct, but it offers no real insight or importance. |
well, as a random thought, I thought it quite profound for me. Either way, religious debate is quite apt for a Sunday. | | | |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 18:09 - Sep 13 with 984 views | Meadowlark |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 16:50 - Sep 13 by LegendofthePhoenix |
If it was as simple as right arm raised = near post etc, then it would be a doddle for the opposition to work it out. There clearly has to be some sort of code used so the players of the attacking team know what the various arm signals at corners and free kicks actually mean, but that the opposition (and fans) don't. |
There is no code. Everyone does it, simply because everyone else does it.
Young kids playing football do it now.
i asked my teenage grandson why he puts his arm up when he takes a corner and he didn't understand the question. He just thought you had to do it.
Watch Declan Rice. He takes every free kick for Arsenal and his arm "signal" is the same every time. As is everyone else's who takes dead-ball kicks.
Leif was (is) our corner taker for ages. His arm signal never changes.
I agree it probably started as a signal, but now? | | | |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 18:09 - Sep 13 with 984 views | armchaircritic59 |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 13:32 - Sep 13 by Zx1988 |
Not sure that religious players expressing their faith in a way that harms precisely nobody should be called out as 'nonsense'. |
I neither follow or practice any religion, but I'm happy to rub along with anyone that does, if it's all done in a respectful and peaceful matter. The great majority of people who practice religion do just that. Sadly it's that tiny minority who let them down. |  | | |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 18:13 - Sep 13 with 953 views | mellowblue |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 16:26 - Sep 13 by redrickstuhaart |
This is what is known as a "deepity". The statement is correct, but it offers no real insight or importance. |
Never heard of "deepity" before. Very 21st century. My statement is not ambiguous or double meaning in my view. | | | |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 18:29 - Sep 13 with 924 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 17:20 - Sep 13 by positivity |
creationism isn't a central tenet of christianity/judaism or islam, the creation story isn't intended to be read as a scientific textbook!
people can believe what they want to believe in my book, it's only a problem when it affects someone else negatively. i don't think anyone should be judged as being self deceiving without living the life that has led them there.
i think all fundamentalists, whether they be jews, atheists or communists can improve by being more tolerant of other people and understanding their positions |
Depends entirely which flavour. But I didnt say it was. | |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 18:36 - Sep 13 with 912 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 18:09 - Sep 13 by Meadowlark |
There is no code. Everyone does it, simply because everyone else does it.
Young kids playing football do it now.
i asked my teenage grandson why he puts his arm up when he takes a corner and he didn't understand the question. He just thought you had to do it.
Watch Declan Rice. He takes every free kick for Arsenal and his arm "signal" is the same every time. As is everyone else's who takes dead-ball kicks.
Leif was (is) our corner taker for ages. His arm signal never changes.
I agree it probably started as a signal, but now? |
Well I'm not an elite footballer as you well know. But it seems completely obvious that you need to have a coded message system so that your players know where the dead ball is going, and the opposition don't.
I've always thought that the way you would do this is either
(i) to have a separate signal (i.e. other hand on your thigh or against your chest, or fingers extended) or
(ii) the signal rotates so that 1st time a left arm raised means near post, 2nd time it means far post, 3rd time it means it gets played short etc.
(iii) the signals from the set piece taker are a total bluff, and the real signal is given by a different player.
Obviously there are lots of variations on the above, but you get the general idea.
Surely that is what set piece coaches work on with players? If not I'm available. |  |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 19:07 - Sep 13 with 862 views | baxterbasics |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 16:30 - Sep 13 by redrickstuhaart |
I am intrigued to know what ideas or facts you base this on. And specifically what "a godless sodom and gomorrah" actually means? |
Was just a tongue-in-cheek way of saying that for a country with such a Christian history we’ve become a very secular society. To the point where even discussing your religion might be frowned upon.
My perspective: I have a religious background and upbringing and feel all the better for it.
Unfortunately a few religious people give the rest of us a bad name. There never needed to be a science vs religion battle. I waste too much time arguing with (mostly) American Christians about how there is nothing in the Bible saying the Earth is flat and all space exploration is fake.
Anyway. despite my generally pro religious stance I also agree that given religion is also ideology it should be open to challenge, criticism, even scorn and ridicule. Recent legislation introduced about this is a mistake (essentially modern blasphemy law).
But I still don’t like smug atheists and the idea that nobody should ever publicly display their faith. |  |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 19:47 - Sep 13 with 834 views | Radlett_blue |
Terry Butcher was playing one of his first games for Town. Allan Hunter noticed butcher crossing himself before the game. After the game, Hunter said to Butcher "Are you Catholic"? Butcher said no, so Hunter said "In that case, I don't ever want to see you doing that again". |  |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 20:03 - Sep 13 with 814 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 19:07 - Sep 13 by baxterbasics |
Was just a tongue-in-cheek way of saying that for a country with such a Christian history we’ve become a very secular society. To the point where even discussing your religion might be frowned upon.
My perspective: I have a religious background and upbringing and feel all the better for it.
Unfortunately a few religious people give the rest of us a bad name. There never needed to be a science vs religion battle. I waste too much time arguing with (mostly) American Christians about how there is nothing in the Bible saying the Earth is flat and all space exploration is fake.
Anyway. despite my generally pro religious stance I also agree that given religion is also ideology it should be open to challenge, criticism, even scorn and ridicule. Recent legislation introduced about this is a mistake (essentially modern blasphemy law).
But I still don’t like smug atheists and the idea that nobody should ever publicly display their faith. |
I think smug athiests and smug religious people are as bad as each other, when it comes to topics on here, tbh. I say that as a (hopefully) not smug religious person.
I don't like to engage in religious debate on here, because the TWTD community has a subset that tend to sensationalise and bait others when it comes to debates about politics and religion and I don't find it a level playing field on either topic.
Superstitions like hopping before crossing the line, touching the grass, tape on fingers, and religious mannerisms, etc, has long been a thing. When I bought Shoot magazine in the nineties, every player interview asked what their pre- match superstition was. And the vast majority of players had one. I say, just let people be who they want to be, if they are not hurting anyone . [Post edited 13 Sep 21:56]
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 20:53 - Sep 13 with 748 views | WeWereZombies |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 17:55 - Sep 13 by positivity |
bit of a misunderstanding i think, by the "creation story" i mean everything happened word for word as set out in the first 2 books of the torah or the bible.
i'd agree that they would state that god created the universe, settled science would have no opinion on that afaik, it starts with the big bang, without making a judgement on how and why the universe happened to be in that state at that time.
i'd also agree that the rich and powerful have used and abused religion for their own ends, just as they've used and abused many other belief systems, "animal farm" is a good example of this.
better to express our righteous anger at the perpetrators of the status quo rather than insult footballers or scientists who have a sincere and tolerant faith |
But there had to be something before the so-called Big Bang...or did there ? |  |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 21:36 - Sep 13 with 711 views | Smoresy |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 16:34 - Sep 13 by Meadowlark |
Thank-you. I feel suitably admonished.
Your explanation of the "free-kicks arm" bears no relation to what actually happens. It's nonsense. [Post edited 13 Sep 16:39]
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 22:26 - Sep 13 with 668 views | OldFootball |
Lampard invented it |  | | |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 22:29 - Sep 13 with 662 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 17:20 - Sep 13 by positivity |
creationism isn't a central tenet of christianity/judaism or islam, the creation story isn't intended to be read as a scientific textbook!
people can believe what they want to believe in my book, it's only a problem when it affects someone else negatively. i don't think anyone should be judged as being self deceiving without living the life that has led them there.
i think all fundamentalists, whether they be jews, atheists or communists can improve by being more tolerant of other people and understanding their positions |
It takes far more belief to think that the complexity of life and the remarkable coding of DNA came about by chance from non-living molecules which is not at all explained by science. |  |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 22:35 - Sep 13 with 654 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 22:29 - Sep 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It takes far more belief to think that the complexity of life and the remarkable coding of DNA came about by chance from non-living molecules which is not at all explained by science. |
That is such a facile argument.
No one claims that the complexity of life is sheer chance. Evolution is not about sheer chance. And the development of DNA from RNA etc etc is relatively well understood.
And no one knows, at present, the origin of life. Though abiogenesis is a serious scientific hypothesis.
The idea of "before the big bang" may not even make any sense given that time, in the current instantiation of the universe, appears to start then. We don't know if there is anything before, or whether that question even makes sense. | |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 22:59 - Sep 13 with 626 views | positivity |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 20:53 - Sep 13 by WeWereZombies |
But there had to be something before the so-called Big Bang...or did there ? |
that's the big question! | |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 23:12 - Sep 13 with 611 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 18:36 - Sep 13 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Well I'm not an elite footballer as you well know. But it seems completely obvious that you need to have a coded message system so that your players know where the dead ball is going, and the opposition don't.
I've always thought that the way you would do this is either
(i) to have a separate signal (i.e. other hand on your thigh or against your chest, or fingers extended) or
(ii) the signal rotates so that 1st time a left arm raised means near post, 2nd time it means far post, 3rd time it means it gets played short etc.
(iii) the signals from the set piece taker are a total bluff, and the real signal is given by a different player.
Obviously there are lots of variations on the above, but you get the general idea.
Surely that is what set piece coaches work on with players? If not I'm available. |
I recall watching the John Bull Sunday team when they had a throw in parallel with the edge of the opposition's penalty area.
"Pattern 47!", yelled the taker.
I don't suppose for a moment this caused confusion in the opposition ranks but it certainly amused me - "I've seen you play boys. If you've got 47 different 'patterns' for an attacking throw in well ........ I've seen one of them before". |  |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 00:47 - Sep 14 with 563 views | Olcol |
I am an Atheist, but I see no problem with anyone having religious beliefs and showing it. History has shown it's only a problem when it's used as a political tool for war mongering, terrorists and control of the masses. | | | |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 01:17 - Sep 14 with 548 views | pbishop1799 |
OP used the word 'nonsense'. It's reasonable therefore to say they are a devout atheist. You could even go further to say they are a proselytising atheist.
Most atheists of this sort are unaware that their mode of thinking is profoundly Abrahamic. Militant atheism is in fact a distant branch of the same theological tradition...
And this is because the religions of the near-east are innately DUALISTIC, in a way that Eastern and European pagan belief systems generally are not. Think of the most basic binaries: heaven/hell, good/evil, God/Satan.
There can only be one answer. And anyone who says otherwise is an idiot blasphemer. |  | | |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 06:43 - Sep 14 with 470 views | WeWereZombies |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 15:21 - Sep 13 by mellowblue |
Giving thanks to God for being there and asking God to grant a good, injury-free game would be best prayed for before the game starts rather than at the end, no ? |
Interesting variant on Pascal's Wager. But this only works if the community of football works together to provide entertainment for the paying public, no false displays of injury or appeals to the referee for favourable treatment for your side and unfavourable treatment for the oppo, plus never a hint of malice from any player.
However, human nature being what it is, we all know that there are some right bastards in this World...and most of them play in defence. | |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 07:16 - Sep 14 with 420 views | chicoazul |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 13:58 - Sep 13 by NthQldITFC |
Each to their own. Personal religious beliefs don't really harm anybody (or they shouldn't), but I'd agree with the inference that organised religion and the tribalism around it are dangerous in direct way - wars, persecution etc. - but far more so in giving people irrational excuses to ignore science, the science which has given us all the good and bad changes we have since we left caves.
Ignoring science - either with or without a religious reason - is likely to very soon be the end of us in one way or another. Believing your particular sky pilot will save you because you've read the right book and all the others are false is clearly ridiculous.
If one religion is true, then surely all others are, and yet we've never seen any evidence for any of them. By the same token, they are exactly the right way to manipulate human beings and were therefore always destined to evolve. |
The usual condescending garbage.
Follow the science! It literally changes all the time but follow it! |  |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 07:18 - Sep 14 with 412 views | chicoazul |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 01:17 - Sep 14 by pbishop1799 |
OP used the word 'nonsense'. It's reasonable therefore to say they are a devout atheist. You could even go further to say they are a proselytising atheist.
Most atheists of this sort are unaware that their mode of thinking is profoundly Abrahamic. Militant atheism is in fact a distant branch of the same theological tradition...
And this is because the religions of the near-east are innately DUALISTIC, in a way that Eastern and European pagan belief systems generally are not. Think of the most basic binaries: heaven/hell, good/evil, God/Satan.
There can only be one answer. And anyone who says otherwise is an idiot blasphemer. |
Atheism is just another belief system, worth exactly the same as all the rest. | |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 07:22 - Sep 14 with 408 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
If you want the best players from around the world in your league, you need to be willing to accept lots of different cultures. |  |
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| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 07:33 - Sep 14 with 388 views | NthQldITFC |
| Why are there so many "religious" players now? on 01:17 - Sep 14 by pbishop1799 |
OP used the word 'nonsense'. It's reasonable therefore to say they are a devout atheist. You could even go further to say they are a proselytising atheist.
Most atheists of this sort are unaware that their mode of thinking is profoundly Abrahamic. Militant atheism is in fact a distant branch of the same theological tradition...
And this is because the religions of the near-east are innately DUALISTIC, in a way that Eastern and European pagan belief systems generally are not. Think of the most basic binaries: heaven/hell, good/evil, God/Satan.
There can only be one answer. And anyone who says otherwise is an idiot blasphemer. |
Lol. |  |
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