| Man city, facing a big one 15:56 - Sep 25 with 4105 views | muccletonjoe |
I think a hefty points deduction at the very least coming their way, Precedent in recent years of something far more severe. Spotlight very much now on the outcome. More importantly , numerous court proceedings from a number of clubs who have been disadvantaged by them breaking the rules. [Post edited 25 Sep 16:18]
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| Man city, facing a big one on 13:44 - Sep 26 with 747 views | franz_tyson |
They'll get away with it. Big fine which they can take and a transfer embargo for a year or two. They'll stay in the PL and just be inconvenienced for a couple of years.
It would be great if they had to start again like Rangers in L2, but money talks and they'll find a way for a slapped wrist punishment.
Listening to an arrogant Man City fan on Talksport saying Man C are the PL's Golden Goose and they wouldn't dare punish them. Sadly, he might have a point. |  | | |
| Man city, facing a big one on 14:28 - Sep 26 with 697 views | bluestandard |
| Man city, facing a big one on 21:34 - Sep 25 by backwaywhen |
Not for a few years …….watch this space , appeals etc . |
Under Premier League rules, City would have 14 days from the announcement of the verdict to submit an appeal and the process that follows should be completed in less than 12 weeks from then. Granted, the usual timescales haven't been followed up to now, but you would think that an appeal would be far quicker than the original hearing. | | | |
| Man city, facing a big one on 15:10 - Sep 26 with 654 views | quad |
| Man city, facing a big one on 18:12 - Sep 25 by DanTheMan |
115 point fine please, ideally this season. |
Nah. Relegate them to the national league. And force them to give Haaland to us on loan for the next 3 years and continue paying his wages. | | | |
| Man city, facing a big one on 15:42 - Sep 26 with 636 views | ipswichtillidie |
You can only hurt them with points and because everything is now retrospective it’s a difficult job for the PL to get the right punishment. There is no world where they should be playing in the PL next season in my mind. Year over year of blatant cheating. The punishment needs to be right but also the PL need to do better in the transparency rules so this cant happen again. |  |
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| Man city, facing a big one on 16:44 - Sep 26 with 586 views | BrockleyBlue78 |
| Man city, facing a big one on 15:42 - Sep 26 by ipswichtillidie |
You can only hurt them with points and because everything is now retrospective it’s a difficult job for the PL to get the right punishment. There is no world where they should be playing in the PL next season in my mind. Year over year of blatant cheating. The punishment needs to be right but also the PL need to do better in the transparency rules so this cant happen again. |
Explusion from the PL is the only answer.
The only question is for how long. |  | | |
| Man city, facing a big one on 18:19 - Sep 26 with 538 views | blueoutlook |
It will be years before anything happens. There will be loads of appeals and any way of stalling that can be done will be. Nothing is going to happen to them for a long time as yet. |  | | |
| Man City are going to be handed a PL expulsion and a hefty fine on 09:30 - Sep 27 with 463 views | unstableblue |
There a number of factors that mean a PL expulsion is likely:
1) Man City have disrupted the investigation, the charges include 35 (of the 114 proven) for failing to cooperate with the investigation. They are gearing up to deny the charges and appeal, and Chelsea have set a precedent of coming clean and pre-empting charges. Man City are gearing up for further denial and appeal - this is going to increase the eventual punishment.
2) The scale of the investigation is significant, costing a minimum of £100m to the Premier League, some estimates saying far higher. And taking 3.5 years! To then confirm 114 of a 115 charges mean they have a solid case they feel is defensible.
3) The scale of the public, media and fan outrage has been bubbling away for years and has now escalated, they want a severe punishment and anything less than expulsion - e.g. massive fine, points deduction that mean they survive and just miss one title drive will be seen as weak.
4) The Premier League and football bodies will want to avoid a domino effect of multiple litigations and attempts to change league titles, FA cups, relegations etc. A major penalty such as expulsion kick some of this into touch. The pressure from other clubs for sever punishment will also be there.
In summary
What increases the pressure towards expulsion
- enormous number of proven breaches
- alleged inaccurate financial reporting
- alleged player/manager payment irregularities
- alleged PSR/FFP breaches
- 35 separate non-cooperation charges
- potentially long-running conduct
- rules expressly permit expulsion.
And most importantly they gained sporting advantage through fraud
Question for Town is not whether they’ll get expelled, but when. CAS is ruled out - An appeal will be made - But City may see the scale of the movement against them and take their medicine like Juventus.
And crucially the Premier League won’t want them to win the title this season. [Post edited 27 Sep 20:54]
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| Man City are going to be handed a PL expulsion and a hefty fine on 09:38 - Sep 27 with 452 views | ZapatasMoustache |
| Man City are going to be handed a PL expulsion and a hefty fine on 09:30 - Sep 27 by unstableblue |
There a number of factors that mean a PL expulsion is likely:
1) Man City have disrupted the investigation, the charges include 35 (of the 114 proven) for failing to cooperate with the investigation. They are gearing up to deny the charges and appeal, and Chelsea have set a precedent of coming clean and pre-empting charges. Man City are gearing up for further denial and appeal - this is going to increase the eventual punishment.
2) The scale of the investigation is significant, costing a minimum of £100m to the Premier League, some estimates saying far higher. And taking 3.5 years! To then confirm 114 of a 115 charges mean they have a solid case they feel is defensible.
3) The scale of the public, media and fan outrage has been bubbling away for years and has now escalated, they want a severe punishment and anything less than expulsion - e.g. massive fine, points deduction that mean they survive and just miss one title drive will be seen as weak.
4) The Premier League and football bodies will want to avoid a domino effect of multiple litigations and attempts to change league titles, FA cups, relegations etc. A major penalty such as expulsion kick some of this into touch. The pressure from other clubs for sever punishment will also be there.
In summary
What increases the pressure towards expulsion
- enormous number of proven breaches
- alleged inaccurate financial reporting
- alleged player/manager payment irregularities
- alleged PSR/FFP breaches
- 35 separate non-cooperation charges
- potentially long-running conduct
- rules expressly permit expulsion.
And most importantly they gained sporting advantage through fraud
Question for Town is not whether they’ll get expelled, but when. CAS is ruled out - An appeal will be made - But City may see the scale of the movement against them and take their medicine like Juventus.
And crucially the Premier League won’t want them to win the title this season. [Post edited 27 Sep 20:54]
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It’s fascinating but completely uncertain. Listening to the experts (rather than the casual pundits/ex-players) they seem pretty convinced there will be an unprecedented punishment. But it’s the knock on effects that will have to be taken into account. Nine years of missed titles, cups, CL places, relegations caused by defeats to City etc. That comes to billions in lost revenue. A proportionate response, on one level, is simply the liquidation of the business, reasonable if huge financial fraud is proven. Players sold systematically by administrators and the proceeds passed to other clubs in litigation? Seems very unlikely, but also very logical. The political factor (threats/intimidation from UAE) could go either way IMO. I’ve no idea where this will end up. |  | | |
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| Man city, facing a big one on 10:48 - Sep 27 with 409 views | strikalite |
| Man city, facing a big one on 13:44 - Sep 26 by franz_tyson |
They'll get away with it. Big fine which they can take and a transfer embargo for a year or two. They'll stay in the PL and just be inconvenienced for a couple of years.
It would be great if they had to start again like Rangers in L2, but money talks and they'll find a way for a slapped wrist punishment.
Listening to an arrogant Man City fan on Talksport saying Man C are the PL's Golden Goose and they wouldn't dare punish them. Sadly, he might have a point. |
Yep, if it's also a points deduction it'll be something like 40 points and call it the biggest punishment ever dished out, but obviously nowhere near enough to relegate them. |  | | |
| Man city, facing a big one on 11:54 - Sep 27 with 357 views | Churchman |
| Man city, facing a big one on 13:44 - Sep 26 by franz_tyson |
They'll get away with it. Big fine which they can take and a transfer embargo for a year or two. They'll stay in the PL and just be inconvenienced for a couple of years.
It would be great if they had to start again like Rangers in L2, but money talks and they'll find a way for a slapped wrist punishment.
Listening to an arrogant Man City fan on Talksport saying Man C are the PL's Golden Goose and they wouldn't dare punish them. Sadly, he might have a point. |
I think inconvenience for a couple of years is the maximum disruption they’ll get. In fact I doubt even that.
If you think about it, aside from politics, the important clubs in the PL etc, those people making the decision, assuming MC are still guilty following appeals face a real problem. We are talking about unimaginable amounts of money at stake here.
Would the decision makers, who are human after all with all the weaknesses and strengths that means, accept a little brown envelope and a small pension boost to help smooth the sentence decision? How much would it take to nudge it towards light touch and ‘let that be a lesson to all’? Everyone has a price.
Given the amount of power wielded by these people, the decision makers could do the right thing but even if they don’t accept a little financial boost, how much personal risk to them and their families are they prepared to take? It’s naive to hope that sort of thing doesn’t exist. I happen to know that it does from what happened with a certain club in Scotland.
MC deserve the kitchen sink being chucked at them, but you don’t always get what you deserve in life.
It’ll be interesting. |  | | |
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