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“Spanish pensioner whose eviction sparked nationwide protests dies, union says” source BBC
That’s the end of him and his government then,., it looked likely anyway but the early election called and this turn of events will turn Spain governmentally handbrake turn hard right… swiftly followed by France in the spring…. Already happened in South and Latin America and the US .. Latin America does tend to spend a decade hard left then hard right rinse and repeat with the odd military dictatorship thrown into the mix now and again.
I take back the migration quote, turns out I took internal migration figures to be net migration. "Mi error" as they would say in Spain. Net migration over the last 20 years has averaged 15,000 per annum which is not a major factor. By the way, my post was not a knock against migration by those of other races, countries etc it was more to do with economic migration to cities, due to rural poverty and lack of opportunity. The way you have interpreted it implies something different.
Yep, fair enough.
I think birth rates need to be taken into account too when speaking of immigration (speaking in general, not aimed at you). I think for the last 10 years or so deaths have outpaced births in Spain. Woman here are having on average just over one child, where over 2 is required to maintain the population without immigration.
Back to the original post, an opinion poll released here today shows that 76.3% of the population supports government intervention in the housing market. 86% are worried or very worried about the current housing market.
With a certain degree of reticence in promoting and making people more aware of my idiocy and misunderstood embarrassment it seems on here by dragging this thread up again. I only really do this for anyone who has any interest in the whole subject and wants a bit more meat on the bone’s. The YouTube channel is nominally known as neutral but is known to skew slightly centre left and also slightly pro EU .. so to try and avoid being accused of any agenda by Salty or Barca…this came out today.
With a certain degree of reticence in promoting and making people more aware of my idiocy and misunderstood embarrassment it seems on here by dragging this thread up again. I only really do this for anyone who has any interest in the whole subject and wants a bit more meat on the bone’s. The YouTube channel is nominally known as neutral but is known to skew slightly centre left and also slightly pro EU .. so to try and avoid being accused of any agenda by Salty or Barca…this came out today.
I retire now
Interesting if a bit rushed video and, as you say, TLDR doesn't appear to have a political agenda or any scandals...yet.
'TLDR places a strong emphasis on remaining independent and free from corporate or third-party influence. As such, Kelly is the sole owner of the organization and steps are taken to ensure that corporate sponsors have no say or influence in the selection or presentation of the news stories covered.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
However the video is not conclusive enough to support either yours or Barca's viewpoint. I guess the election results are the only thing that will prove whether Sanchez survives.
Interesting if a bit rushed video and, as you say, TLDR doesn't appear to have a political agenda or any scandals...yet.
'TLDR places a strong emphasis on remaining independent and free from corporate or third-party influence. As such, Kelly is the sole owner of the organization and steps are taken to ensure that corporate sponsors have no say or influence in the selection or presentation of the news stories covered.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
However the video is not conclusive enough to support either yours or Barca's viewpoint. I guess the election results are the only thing that will prove whether Sanchez survives.
It did come across as a rushed video.
Losing the housing reform bill didn't topple Sanchez, he took advantage of public opinion towards the need for housing reform to bring the election forward.
There's a major financial scandal in just about every Spanish legislature. You can't bring up one in isolation. It's not just a political problem here though, it's entrenched in everyday life although something which is slowly being addressed.
It's easy to blame immigration for anything bad happening here, Vox and PP have little else to offer. Much of it is deflection though, I imagine there will be revelations of prominent PP politicians being quite involved with the vulture culture in buying up property and forcing tenants out. It started today in Madrid so actually it's not just a wild guess.
In the last 30 years we've switched between PSOE and PP, around 50 / 50 from Aznar to Sánchez. Neither have pushed social housing, it's like a foreign concept here, something which the video does make mention of. It also suggests that the housing issue will be an important factor in the election, something which favours Sanchez but almost certainly not enough to keep him in power.
The video also didn't dwell on the rise of Vox, which is likely to be the defining factor in the election rather than the PSOE imploding or PP exploding into power. That's the sad thing about it, people have become convinced that the immigrant is the source of their ills.
Losing the housing reform bill didn't topple Sanchez, he took advantage of public opinion towards the need for housing reform to bring the election forward.
There's a major financial scandal in just about every Spanish legislature. You can't bring up one in isolation. It's not just a political problem here though, it's entrenched in everyday life although something which is slowly being addressed.
It's easy to blame immigration for anything bad happening here, Vox and PP have little else to offer. Much of it is deflection though, I imagine there will be revelations of prominent PP politicians being quite involved with the vulture culture in buying up property and forcing tenants out. It started today in Madrid so actually it's not just a wild guess.
In the last 30 years we've switched between PSOE and PP, around 50 / 50 from Aznar to Sánchez. Neither have pushed social housing, it's like a foreign concept here, something which the video does make mention of. It also suggests that the housing issue will be an important factor in the election, something which favours Sanchez but almost certainly not enough to keep him in power.
The video also didn't dwell on the rise of Vox, which is likely to be the defining factor in the election rather than the PSOE imploding or PP exploding into power. That's the sad thing about it, people have become convinced that the immigrant is the source of their ills.
We have owned a place here in Mijas, Andalucia for the last few years. Andalucía is not known for a right wing preference- quite the opposite. Yet we have had a PP local government for a borough of 100,000 people for the last three years. The streets are clean, there are no pot holes, you see the police regularly, crime is coming down, recycling is being encouraged far more than ever and guess how much our council tax has gone up in three years? 0%. Home is Stockport where the council is Lib Dem. Fly tipping abounds, crime is common, the roads are a series of holes joined by tarmac and an policeman is a collectors item. Talking to local Moroccans who work hard and pay their taxes snd they are furious at Sánchez handing out citizenship to over half a million illegals. Housing is an issue here - particularly in Malaga but don’t count on Andalusia voting PSOE as it traditionally has.
We have owned a place here in Mijas, Andalucia for the last few years. Andalucía is not known for a right wing preference- quite the opposite. Yet we have had a PP local government for a borough of 100,000 people for the last three years. The streets are clean, there are no pot holes, you see the police regularly, crime is coming down, recycling is being encouraged far more than ever and guess how much our council tax has gone up in three years? 0%. Home is Stockport where the council is Lib Dem. Fly tipping abounds, crime is common, the roads are a series of holes joined by tarmac and an policeman is a collectors item. Talking to local Moroccans who work hard and pay their taxes snd they are furious at Sánchez handing out citizenship to over half a million illegals. Housing is an issue here - particularly in Malaga but don’t count on Andalusia voting PSOE as it traditionally has.
It sounds like they have a problem with pesky immigrants though . (Joking)
I like Spain. It was always seen as the cheap place to go and get drunk when I was younger and a bit of an unserious, slightly backward country. Not anymore. They seem to have really got their sh*t together. We’ve been a few times since kids arrived 18 years ago, yet last year for a few weeks on the north coast seemed a bit different. Even the smallest places were bouncing and seemed very vibrant, popular (so popular; it was stupidly busy in a supposed quiet part of the country) and thriving. No empty shops and the common signs of deprivation you get back here in the UK. There was a very positive vibe everywhere we went.
We have owned a place here in Mijas, Andalucia for the last few years. Andalucía is not known for a right wing preference- quite the opposite. Yet we have had a PP local government for a borough of 100,000 people for the last three years. The streets are clean, there are no pot holes, you see the police regularly, crime is coming down, recycling is being encouraged far more than ever and guess how much our council tax has gone up in three years? 0%. Home is Stockport where the council is Lib Dem. Fly tipping abounds, crime is common, the roads are a series of holes joined by tarmac and an policeman is a collectors item. Talking to local Moroccans who work hard and pay their taxes snd they are furious at Sánchez handing out citizenship to over half a million illegals. Housing is an issue here - particularly in Malaga but don’t count on Andalusia voting PSOE as it traditionally has.
Maybe you were speaking to Moroccans who benefited from amnesty in 2000 and again in 2001 under Aznar's Popular Party. You should ask if they were furious then too or is it just when the PSOE do it.
It sounds like they have a problem with pesky immigrants though . (Joking)
I like Spain. It was always seen as the cheap place to go and get drunk when I was younger and a bit of an unserious, slightly backward country. Not anymore. They seem to have really got their sh*t together. We’ve been a few times since kids arrived 18 years ago, yet last year for a few weeks on the north coast seemed a bit different. Even the smallest places were bouncing and seemed very vibrant, popular (so popular; it was stupidly busy in a supposed quiet part of the country) and thriving. No empty shops and the common signs of deprivation you get back here in the UK. There was a very positive vibe everywhere we went.
Exactly this. We notice it too. Seems quite a confident country. But housing, like in the UK is an issue. We rent our place when not there and encourage our guests to do what we do - support the village and eat and drink locally. We have refused to use Airbnb right from the start as we saw them to be unscrupulous. We have big sympathy e.g. with people who live and work in Malaga and are kept up all night by Airbnb parties in the same block. Sanchez would like to see people like us run out of town. Trouble is that would kill the business our guests bring into the area. But politically it would look good.
Maybe you were speaking to Moroccans who benefited from amnesty in 2000 and again in 2001 under Aznar's Popular Party. You should ask if they were furious then too or is it just when the PSOE do it.
Just looked it up and there have been 7 immigration amnesties in Spain since the mid-80s. I remember a couple but wasn't aware of so many. Seems people just want to make more of a fuss about it now that we've been told it's such a bad thing.
Exactly this. We notice it too. Seems quite a confident country. But housing, like in the UK is an issue. We rent our place when not there and encourage our guests to do what we do - support the village and eat and drink locally. We have refused to use Airbnb right from the start as we saw them to be unscrupulous. We have big sympathy e.g. with people who live and work in Malaga and are kept up all night by Airbnb parties in the same block. Sanchez would like to see people like us run out of town. Trouble is that would kill the business our guests bring into the area. But politically it would look good.
Why is Sanchez trying to run you out of town? Because you run a holiday rental? From what I understand the issue of new tourist licenses were put on hold in Malaga but not withdrawn. That would be down to local rather than national government anyway. Outside of "tensioned zones" local government can still offer tourist licences but that's dependent on the agreement of a majority of neighbours.
It doesn't really make any difference if people book via Airbnb or privately, people will still buy locally, and visitors will likely spend more money locally than second home owners.
Airbnb aren't particularly unscrupulous, it's the owners of many of the properties. Typically large companies buying up hundreds of flats for short term rentals who have no interest in the welfare of the neighbours .
By the way, if you don't have a pothole problem it's probably a question of climate and traffic load rather than your local council.
Why is Sanchez trying to run you out of town? Because you run a holiday rental? From what I understand the issue of new tourist licenses were put on hold in Malaga but not withdrawn. That would be down to local rather than national government anyway. Outside of "tensioned zones" local government can still offer tourist licences but that's dependent on the agreement of a majority of neighbours.
It doesn't really make any difference if people book via Airbnb or privately, people will still buy locally, and visitors will likely spend more money locally than second home owners.
Airbnb aren't particularly unscrupulous, it's the owners of many of the properties. Typically large companies buying up hundreds of flats for short term rentals who have no interest in the welfare of the neighbours .
By the way, if you don't have a pothole problem it's probably a question of climate and traffic load rather than your local council.
I don't think we should allow AirBnB to get away scot free though, this is a twelve minute taster of an hour and a half documentary called 'Overbooking' that came out just before the pandemic:
I saw it presented on Skye a couple of years ago (packed upstairs room of a pub in Portree) and it was particularly pertinent to me as I lived on Mallorca for a while as a child back in 1962/3 and can fully appreciate the locals who complain of the ruination of the island. For example, the first time I arrived by ferry from Barcelona the cathedral dominated the Palma skyline but the last time I left by ferry, just eighteen months later, high rise hotels had started to dominate although the real development hotspots back then were Alcudia and Pollensa, the seven year old me didn't understand why anyone would want to visit those obscure northern outposts.
I also got a chance to have a chat with the director at that screening and he was interested in my viewpoint but when I moved on to Skye's problems with overtourism he seemed to see the campervan issue as a solution to rented holiday accommodation rather than a different set of pressures, his mindset was as you see it when unscrupulous property owners have no interest in the welfare of their neighbours. There is certainly some of that up here but not to the extent that Mallorca suffers. I've been back a coupe of times since 1963 and each time I have found the deterioration in the environment difficult to cope with, but there are still pockets of the island of old that are wonderful and at least you don't have the Guardi Civil strutting around.
I don't think we should allow AirBnB to get away scot free though, this is a twelve minute taster of an hour and a half documentary called 'Overbooking' that came out just before the pandemic:
I saw it presented on Skye a couple of years ago (packed upstairs room of a pub in Portree) and it was particularly pertinent to me as I lived on Mallorca for a while as a child back in 1962/3 and can fully appreciate the locals who complain of the ruination of the island. For example, the first time I arrived by ferry from Barcelona the cathedral dominated the Palma skyline but the last time I left by ferry, just eighteen months later, high rise hotels had started to dominate although the real development hotspots back then were Alcudia and Pollensa, the seven year old me didn't understand why anyone would want to visit those obscure northern outposts.
I also got a chance to have a chat with the director at that screening and he was interested in my viewpoint but when I moved on to Skye's problems with overtourism he seemed to see the campervan issue as a solution to rented holiday accommodation rather than a different set of pressures, his mindset was as you see it when unscrupulous property owners have no interest in the welfare of their neighbours. There is certainly some of that up here but not to the extent that Mallorca suffers. I've been back a coupe of times since 1963 and each time I have found the deterioration in the environment difficult to cope with, but there are still pockets of the island of old that are wonderful and at least you don't have the Guardi Civil strutting around.
I watched that and agree 100% that over tourism is making the life of residents a living hell. I won't defend Airbnb as I don't care enough about the company to defend them but the video is putting a lot of blame on corruption, reclassifying land for building hotels and illegal rentals.
The thing is, the Spanish and regional tourist boards spent millions on attracting people to the country. It worked too well so there was a lot of money to be made, legally and illegally off the success. Now they're trying to rein that in via tourist taxes, limiting tourist licenses, increased bureaucracy etc. They still need to do a lot more on illegal rentals and corruption in the land registry.
I don't think we should allow AirBnB to get away scot free though, this is a twelve minute taster of an hour and a half documentary called 'Overbooking' that came out just before the pandemic:
I saw it presented on Skye a couple of years ago (packed upstairs room of a pub in Portree) and it was particularly pertinent to me as I lived on Mallorca for a while as a child back in 1962/3 and can fully appreciate the locals who complain of the ruination of the island. For example, the first time I arrived by ferry from Barcelona the cathedral dominated the Palma skyline but the last time I left by ferry, just eighteen months later, high rise hotels had started to dominate although the real development hotspots back then were Alcudia and Pollensa, the seven year old me didn't understand why anyone would want to visit those obscure northern outposts.
I also got a chance to have a chat with the director at that screening and he was interested in my viewpoint but when I moved on to Skye's problems with overtourism he seemed to see the campervan issue as a solution to rented holiday accommodation rather than a different set of pressures, his mindset was as you see it when unscrupulous property owners have no interest in the welfare of their neighbours. There is certainly some of that up here but not to the extent that Mallorca suffers. I've been back a coupe of times since 1963 and each time I have found the deterioration in the environment difficult to cope with, but there are still pockets of the island of old that are wonderful and at least you don't have the Guardi Civil strutting around.
The west coast of Majorca is still fairly original and untouched, but then it lacks the beaches to develop around apart from Port Soller which is as touristic as it gets, but that is quite contained and has it's charm. Deia, Fornalutx, Soller, Valldemossa are nice little places. Stayed next to Andrew. Lloyd-Webbers villa over-looking Deia last time I was there. Used to chuckle when I parked in his car park space, ignoring the "A.L-W only" sign. Wife always forced me to move to the rather tight,ropey space allocated to our villa. She was rather reverential about him.
The west coast of Majorca is still fairly original and untouched, but then it lacks the beaches to develop around apart from Port Soller which is as touristic as it gets, but that is quite contained and has it's charm. Deia, Fornalutx, Soller, Valldemossa are nice little places. Stayed next to Andrew. Lloyd-Webbers villa over-looking Deia last time I was there. Used to chuckle when I parked in his car park space, ignoring the "A.L-W only" sign. Wife always forced me to move to the rather tight,ropey space allocated to our villa. She was rather reverential about him.
Agree about the west coast, Deia is somewhere we never visited when I was a kid but I went there last time and visited Robert Graves house (now a museum) plus saw the discarded gravestone for Ollie Hassell which never got used due to a large piece cracking off during manufacture, nice idea though with imitation of a purple guitar lead and a jack plug in the side of the stone. Think the only time I saw him live was as part of Kevin Ayres band at one of the Hyde Park free concerts. Didn't know Lloyd-Webber lived thereabouts. The Chopin, Georges Sand place is a good visit too. Soller was an idyllic Sunday outing in the early sixties - paddling, building sandcastles, watching the tram skirt the edge of the beach every now and again.
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