| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) 10:19 - Oct 19 with 1736 views | BelsteadCav |
The mad world of the big 6, cutting staff but handing out massive contracts
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| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 10:30 - Oct 19 with 1628 views | urbanpenguin |
An excellent summary. Could not agree more. |  |
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| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 10:48 - Oct 19 with 1559 views | homer_123 |
I've said it before and I say it again.
Football doesn't want and is not at all interested in the traditional fan model. It is a business model built on making as much money as possible and to be fair, it's been that way for a while.
The changes at PR are great and needed but as a fan, I am patently and obviously not the type of fan ITFC want any more - as I do not spend money in the way Clubs need. I don't need a 'fanzone' or a 'match day' experience.
I foresee many more fans feeling disconnected from their Clubs as this article describes. [Post edited 19 Oct 10:55]
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| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 11:16 - Oct 19 with 1469 views | BelsteadCav |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 10:48 - Oct 19 by homer_123 |
I've said it before and I say it again.
Football doesn't want and is not at all interested in the traditional fan model. It is a business model built on making as much money as possible and to be fair, it's been that way for a while.
The changes at PR are great and needed but as a fan, I am patently and obviously not the type of fan ITFC want any more - as I do not spend money in the way Clubs need. I don't need a 'fanzone' or a 'match day' experience.
I foresee many more fans feeling disconnected from their Clubs as this article describes. [Post edited 19 Oct 10:55]
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I’m the same. Season ticket holder for 30 years, but I refuse to pay the crazy prices for food and drink in the ground. And looking back I’ve only bought 2 shirts in that time. The playoff final shirt and the all black one. I’m definitely not what they want | |
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| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 11:32 - Oct 19 with 1399 views | Devereuxxx |
Arteta coming out and saying that the potential redundancies will help the club 'evolve and create success' the same week he signed a bumper new contract is incredibly tone deaf.
Wonder how much they're paying the consultancy who are inevitably recommending staff cuts. |  | | |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 11:45 - Oct 19 with 1350 views | MattinLondon |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 10:48 - Oct 19 by homer_123 |
I've said it before and I say it again.
Football doesn't want and is not at all interested in the traditional fan model. It is a business model built on making as much money as possible and to be fair, it's been that way for a while.
The changes at PR are great and needed but as a fan, I am patently and obviously not the type of fan ITFC want any more - as I do not spend money in the way Clubs need. I don't need a 'fanzone' or a 'match day' experience.
I foresee many more fans feeling disconnected from their Clubs as this article describes. [Post edited 19 Oct 10:55]
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I sort of disagree with you regarding some of your points.
Fanzones can be great for younger fans especially to see older players like Terry Butcher who I’ve seen mingling in there. Which helps develops a sense of history - this interaction I think is great. And the kids penalty shoot-outs I think are also fun for kids to take part in.
Football has always been about making money. Before Sky etc it was cheaper for fans to attend but the money wasbt invested in player wages or modernising the facilities, they went into the owners pockets.
In terms of match day experiences -football is completing with so many other leisure activities it needs that added buzz factor. It might well not need it for older generations (which I unfortunately count myself in now) but it does more so with kids in order to keep them interested. |  | | |
| Same here on 11:46 - Oct 19 with 1347 views | Dyland |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 10:48 - Oct 19 by homer_123 |
I've said it before and I say it again.
Football doesn't want and is not at all interested in the traditional fan model. It is a business model built on making as much money as possible and to be fair, it's been that way for a while.
The changes at PR are great and needed but as a fan, I am patently and obviously not the type of fan ITFC want any more - as I do not spend money in the way Clubs need. I don't need a 'fanzone' or a 'match day' experience.
I foresee many more fans feeling disconnected from their Clubs as this article describes. [Post edited 19 Oct 10:55]
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Traditional regulars don't fit the current business model at all. As I droned on recently, it's one of the reasons atmosphere in grounds will only get worse (or different at least). Also one of the reasons, imho, there seems to be more entitlement re expectations (winning, entertaining, etc.) these days. It's what will make me give up my st, if it's not removed before then anyway. Bah humbug :) |  |
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| True dat (n/t) on 11:47 - Oct 19 with 1334 views | Dyland |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 11:45 - Oct 19 by MattinLondon |
I sort of disagree with you regarding some of your points.
Fanzones can be great for younger fans especially to see older players like Terry Butcher who I’ve seen mingling in there. Which helps develops a sense of history - this interaction I think is great. And the kids penalty shoot-outs I think are also fun for kids to take part in.
Football has always been about making money. Before Sky etc it was cheaper for fans to attend but the money wasbt invested in player wages or modernising the facilities, they went into the owners pockets.
In terms of match day experiences -football is completing with so many other leisure activities it needs that added buzz factor. It might well not need it for older generations (which I unfortunately count myself in now) but it does more so with kids in order to keep them interested. |
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| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 11:49 - Oct 19 with 1335 views | bsw72 |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 11:32 - Oct 19 by Devereuxxx |
Arteta coming out and saying that the potential redundancies will help the club 'evolve and create success' the same week he signed a bumper new contract is incredibly tone deaf.
Wonder how much they're paying the consultancy who are inevitably recommending staff cuts. |
The impact of football being a business.
We have become blind to corporate restructuring, debt and redundancies in the news, but football feels different as clubs *should* be part of the community.
What Arsenal are doing is no different to any other corporate entities, individuals paid/worth millions of pounds reducing headcount where annual salary is a fraction of the playing / managerial staff weekly wages.
Sadly fans want clubs to succeed, but the cost it now comes with socially and dare I say it morally is becoming less appetising. |  | | |
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| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 12:11 - Oct 19 with 1239 views | homer_123 |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 11:45 - Oct 19 by MattinLondon |
I sort of disagree with you regarding some of your points.
Fanzones can be great for younger fans especially to see older players like Terry Butcher who I’ve seen mingling in there. Which helps develops a sense of history - this interaction I think is great. And the kids penalty shoot-outs I think are also fun for kids to take part in.
Football has always been about making money. Before Sky etc it was cheaper for fans to attend but the money wasbt invested in player wages or modernising the facilities, they went into the owners pockets.
In terms of match day experiences -football is completing with so many other leisure activities it needs that added buzz factor. It might well not need it for older generations (which I unfortunately count myself in now) but it does more so with kids in order to keep them interested. |
Fair points well made. I am miserable old codger to be fair. | |
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| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 12:24 - Oct 19 with 1144 views | Garv |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 11:49 - Oct 19 by bsw72 |
The impact of football being a business.
We have become blind to corporate restructuring, debt and redundancies in the news, but football feels different as clubs *should* be part of the community.
What Arsenal are doing is no different to any other corporate entities, individuals paid/worth millions of pounds reducing headcount where annual salary is a fraction of the playing / managerial staff weekly wages.
Sadly fans want clubs to succeed, but the cost it now comes with socially and dare I say it morally is becoming less appetising. |
"Sadly fans want clubs to succeed, but the cost it now comes with socially and dare I say it morally is becoming less appetising."
This is it. I wouldn't go as far to say "you can't have it both ways" but it's probably a fine line. |  |
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| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 12:35 - Oct 19 with 1099 views | MattinLondon |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 12:11 - Oct 19 by homer_123 |
Fair points well made. I am miserable old codger to be fair. |
But you still have a point regarding the disconnect between clubs and the traditional fan - especially the bigger clubs.
Bizarrely the Man City scandal has enabled their fans to identify with their club more - I do know a few City fans who were angry with the owners for encouraging day trippers more rather than locals. If this had happened in ten years time I do wonder whether their local support would have diluted.
It’s all well and good clubs going after the people who spend hundreds in the club shop but when times aren’t as rosey they won’t be the ones who will be seating through less glamorous matches.
For what it’s worth, I’m probably a day tripper now as I can only attend two or three matches a year and I tend to spend a fair bit in the club shop as well. Guess I might well be part of the problem. | | | |
| Same here on 13:41 - Oct 19 with 886 views | Illinoisblue |
| Same here on 11:46 - Oct 19 by Dyland |
Traditional regulars don't fit the current business model at all. As I droned on recently, it's one of the reasons atmosphere in grounds will only get worse (or different at least). Also one of the reasons, imho, there seems to be more entitlement re expectations (winning, entertaining, etc.) these days. It's what will make me give up my st, if it's not removed before then anyway. Bah humbug :) |
I think what’s interesting is to look back to the 80s and early 90s, and football was then a sport mostly attended by working class males. Saturday was a release with your mates. Go to the game, then the pub, then watch Match of the Day. Then get on with life. Football meant something but it didn’t mean everything.
Now some clubs are charging 100 quid a ticket for big games. Fans threatened with bans if they don’t attend every game or - horror - lend their ST to a friend. Fans can no longer be just fans. They are expected to donate to foodbanks, visit Rawanda, end racism. Fans must fund millionaire players and cure society’s ills.
I don’t really have a concluding point here. Just think it’s fascinating to observe the changes. |  |
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| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 13:57 - Oct 19 with 819 views | itfc48 |
See also the pitiful sums some clubs pay their staff as well as the unpaid year long internships. |  | | |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 14:41 - Oct 19 with 734 views | ITFC_Essex |
| Interesting read from a Arsenal fan ( redundancies ) on 10:48 - Oct 19 by homer_123 |
I've said it before and I say it again.
Football doesn't want and is not at all interested in the traditional fan model. It is a business model built on making as much money as possible and to be fair, it's been that way for a while.
The changes at PR are great and needed but as a fan, I am patently and obviously not the type of fan ITFC want any more - as I do not spend money in the way Clubs need. I don't need a 'fanzone' or a 'match day' experience.
I foresee many more fans feeling disconnected from their Clubs as this article describes. [Post edited 19 Oct 10:55]
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We're not going to spend a fortune on Vinted-fodder for a day out experience, basically.
We've just released our fourth black-third kit since Gamechanger took over, and people are still buying them. It's just madness to me, so I am not the fan they want either. |  |
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