| Israel general election today 07:31 - Oct 27 with 7100 views | GlasgowBlue |
Hoping Netanyahu gets beaten soundly. Too close to call in the polls. Record numbers of Israelis flying home to vote. The Israeli Arab voters could swing it against Netanyahu.
https://www.thejc.com/news/isr
If it’s a deadlock then he stays in power and out if jail just a little bit longer. |  |
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| Israel general election today on 19:54 - Oct 28 with 1365 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel general election today on 19:07 - Oct 28 by DJR |
Both irony and sarcasm are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.  |
Not sure it translates to the medium of text! |  |
| "They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches." | | Poll: | What you watching. |
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| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 28 with 1274 views | DJR |
| Israel general election today on 19:54 - Oct 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not sure it translates to the medium of text! |
I'll bear that in mind for the future!
And I suppose it brings to mind the time when I got a downvote for saying (as a joke) that Maeda's grey hair made me concerned he was prematurely ageing. [Post edited 28 Oct 21:48]
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| Israel general election today on 21:56 - Oct 28 with 1231 views | mellowblue |
| Israel general election today on 19:51 - Oct 28 by Clapham_Junction |
It's not a term of endearment. It's how he's widely known in Israel regardless of people's views of him. |
it is originally a term of endearment, it may have been adopted by the populace but that does not change the fact that the roots of the name comes from his family. Using it kind of humanizes a monster. If it is used by his population then it belongs to the population. Would you get an Israeli referring to Mrs Thatcher as Maggie. I doubt it. |  | | |
| Israel general election today on 22:00 - Oct 28 with 1212 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 28 by DJR |
I'll bear that in mind for the future!
And I suppose it brings to mind the time when I got a downvote for saying (as a joke) that Maeda's grey hair made me concerned he was prematurely ageing. [Post edited 28 Oct 21:48]
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Missed that one, have a belated uppie! | |
| "They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches." | | Poll: | What you watching. |
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| Israel general election today on 23:36 - Oct 28 with 1136 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Israel general election today on 19:54 - Oct 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not sure it translates to the medium of text! |
Oh look. What a surprise…
See sarcasm can work :) |  | | |
| Israel general election today on 17:10 - Oct 29 with 896 views | GlasgowBlue |
How are you replying to this thread? You proclaimed that you had put me on ignore because of my ultra Zionist views. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 [Post edited 29 Oct 17:12]
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| Israel general election today on 20:13 - Oct 29 with 772 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Israel general election today on 23:36 - Oct 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Oh look. What a surprise…
See sarcasm can work :) |
I’m sure we are all shocked (again)
“Israeli leader Netanyahu accused of using ‘ugly’ smear tactics to cling to power”
https://www.theguardian.com/wo | | | |
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| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 29 with 677 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Israel general election today on 20:13 - Oct 29 by ElderGrizzly |
I’m sure we are all shocked (again)
“Israeli leader Netanyahu accused of using ‘ugly’ smear tactics to cling to power”
https://www.theguardian.com/wo |
What I struggle to get my head around is how the media and seemingly most of the world are talking about him and this election as if this a perfectly normal democratic election with him as your big standard, average Joe valid candidate. Why isn’t the only question being asked ‘when is he appearing in front of the ICC in The Hague and, if not, why not?’. It seems like we’re normalising genocide and giving validation to a likely war criminal. Or am I missing something/over-reacting? |  |
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| Israel general election today on 23:42 - Oct 29 with 583 views | NthQldITFC |
| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 29 by Swansea_Blue |
What I struggle to get my head around is how the media and seemingly most of the world are talking about him and this election as if this a perfectly normal democratic election with him as your big standard, average Joe valid candidate. Why isn’t the only question being asked ‘when is he appearing in front of the ICC in The Hague and, if not, why not?’. It seems like we’re normalising genocide and giving validation to a likely war criminal. Or am I missing something/over-reacting? |
You're doing neither.
It's a creeping, long-standing, disgraceful stain on so-called civilised western democracies. |  |
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| Israel general election today on 08:43 - Oct 30 with 425 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Israel general election today on 23:42 - Oct 29 by NthQldITFC |
You're doing neither.
It's a creeping, long-standing, disgraceful stain on so-called civilised western democracies. |
Next will be Trump saying he’ll only work with Netanyahu or he’ll withold military support | | | |
| Israel general election today on 08:46 - Oct 30 with 424 views | vapour_trail |
| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 29 by Swansea_Blue |
What I struggle to get my head around is how the media and seemingly most of the world are talking about him and this election as if this a perfectly normal democratic election with him as your big standard, average Joe valid candidate. Why isn’t the only question being asked ‘when is he appearing in front of the ICC in The Hague and, if not, why not?’. It seems like we’re normalising genocide and giving validation to a likely war criminal. Or am I missing something/over-reacting? |
No I don’t think you are. This thread is a good example of it. |  |
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| Israel general election today on 10:15 - Oct 30 with 339 views | DJR |
| Israel general election today on 08:46 - Oct 30 by vapour_trail |
No I don’t think you are. This thread is a good example of it. |
I think the following is a perfectly valid line to take.
1. To oppose and condemn to the utmost what Netanyahu has done.
2. To recognise the fact that Jewish voters made Likud the biggest party and its coalition the biggest bloc.
3. To recognise that Israel is not a properly functioning democracy in the sense that only the left-leaning Democrats have contemplated some sort of arrangement with the Arab parties that would defeat Netanyahu's coalition.
4. To discuss, and be interested in, the election and the eventual outcome. [Post edited 30 Oct 16:01]
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| Israel general election today on 15:57 - Oct 30 with 205 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israel general election today on 10:15 - Oct 30 by DJR |
I think the following is a perfectly valid line to take.
1. To oppose and condemn to the utmost what Netanyahu has done.
2. To recognise the fact that Jewish voters made Likud the biggest party and its coalition the biggest bloc.
3. To recognise that Israel is not a properly functioning democracy in the sense that only the left-leaning Democrats have contemplated some sort of arrangement with the Arab parties that would defeat Netanyahu's coalition.
4. To discuss, and be interested in, the election and the eventual outcome. [Post edited 30 Oct 16:01]
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I think we are broadly in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on this thread support Likud or the war criminals and terrorist supporters in the governing coalition.
Re point three though, one of the Arab parties is extremely anti-LGBTQ+ and they refuse to condemn Hamas. We shouldn’t just look at the Arab list and say that they are the good guys. Even though mostly they are. [Post edited 30 Oct 17:35]
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| Israel general election today on 16:48 - Oct 30 with 160 views | DJR |
| Israel general election today on 15:57 - Oct 30 by GlasgowBlue |
I think we are broadly in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on this thread support Likud or the war criminals and terrorist supporters in the governing coalition.
Re point three though, one of the Arab parties is extremely anti-LGBTQ+ and they refuse to condemn Hamas. We shouldn’t just look at the Arab list and say that they are the good guys. Even though mostly they are. [Post edited 30 Oct 17:35]
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Golan wrote in an opinion piece in Haaretz that working with the Arab-led parties won’t always be simple, but says this does not mean it shouldn’t happen.
“We will present demands, stand firm on our security and national principles, and will conduct tough and practical negotiations — just as we would with any other faction in parliament,” he says. “But we will not disqualify individuals, nor will we accept the rules of the game dictated by the poison machine to keep its grip on power.”
But it doesn't look like it is going to happen given Yisrael Beytenu chairman Avigdor Liberman has reiterated his party’s refusal to join any coalition that includes the two Arab-led parties in the next Knesset. [Post edited 30 Oct 17:11]
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| Israel general election today on 17:36 - Oct 30 with 112 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israel general election today on 16:48 - Oct 30 by DJR |
Golan wrote in an opinion piece in Haaretz that working with the Arab-led parties won’t always be simple, but says this does not mean it shouldn’t happen.
“We will present demands, stand firm on our security and national principles, and will conduct tough and practical negotiations — just as we would with any other faction in parliament,” he says. “But we will not disqualify individuals, nor will we accept the rules of the game dictated by the poison machine to keep its grip on power.”
But it doesn't look like it is going to happen given Yisrael Beytenu chairman Avigdor Liberman has reiterated his party’s refusal to join any coalition that includes the two Arab-led parties in the next Knesset. [Post edited 30 Oct 17:11]
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As I've said on a couple of posts, there can be an informal supply and confidence arrangement for an anti Bibi minority government which save face on all sides. | |
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