| Israel general election today 07:31 - Oct 27 with 7835 views | GlasgowBlue |
Hoping Netanyahu gets beaten soundly. Too close to call in the polls. Record numbers of Israelis flying home to vote. The Israeli Arab voters could swing it against Netanyahu.
https://www.thejc.com/news/isr
If it’s a deadlock then he stays in power and out if jail just a little bit longer. |  |
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| Israel general election today on 19:54 - Oct 28 with 1732 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel general election today on 19:07 - Oct 28 by DJR |
Both irony and sarcasm are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.  |
Not sure it translates to the medium of text! |  |
| "They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches." | | Poll: | What you watching. |
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| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 28 with 1643 views | DJR |
| Israel general election today on 19:54 - Oct 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not sure it translates to the medium of text! |
I'll bear that in mind for the future!
And I suppose it brings to mind the time when I got a downvote for saying (as a joke) that Maeda's grey hair made me concerned he was prematurely ageing. [Post edited 28 Oct 21:48]
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| Israel general election today on 21:56 - Oct 28 with 1600 views | mellowblue |
| Israel general election today on 19:51 - Oct 28 by Clapham_Junction |
It's not a term of endearment. It's how he's widely known in Israel regardless of people's views of him. |
it is originally a term of endearment, it may have been adopted by the populace but that does not change the fact that the roots of the name comes from his family. Using it kind of humanizes a monster. If it is used by his population then it belongs to the population. Would you get an Israeli referring to Mrs Thatcher as Maggie. I doubt it. |  | | |
| Israel general election today on 22:00 - Oct 28 with 1579 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 28 by DJR |
I'll bear that in mind for the future!
And I suppose it brings to mind the time when I got a downvote for saying (as a joke) that Maeda's grey hair made me concerned he was prematurely ageing. [Post edited 28 Oct 21:48]
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Missed that one, have a belated uppie! | |
| "They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches." | | Poll: | What you watching. |
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| Israel general election today on 23:36 - Oct 28 with 1505 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Israel general election today on 19:54 - Oct 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not sure it translates to the medium of text! |
Oh look. What a surprise…
See sarcasm can work :) |  | | |
| Israel general election today on 17:10 - Oct 29 with 1265 views | GlasgowBlue |
How are you replying to this thread? You proclaimed that you had put me on ignore because of my ultra Zionist views. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 [Post edited 29 Oct 17:12]
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| Israel general election today on 20:13 - Oct 29 with 1141 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Israel general election today on 23:36 - Oct 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Oh look. What a surprise…
See sarcasm can work :) |
I’m sure we are all shocked (again)
“Israeli leader Netanyahu accused of using ‘ugly’ smear tactics to cling to power”
https://www.theguardian.com/wo | | | |
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| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 29 with 1046 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Israel general election today on 20:13 - Oct 29 by ElderGrizzly |
I’m sure we are all shocked (again)
“Israeli leader Netanyahu accused of using ‘ugly’ smear tactics to cling to power”
https://www.theguardian.com/wo |
What I struggle to get my head around is how the media and seemingly most of the world are talking about him and this election as if this a perfectly normal democratic election with him as your big standard, average Joe valid candidate. Why isn’t the only question being asked ‘when is he appearing in front of the ICC in The Hague and, if not, why not?’. It seems like we’re normalising genocide and giving validation to a likely war criminal. Or am I missing something/over-reacting? |  |
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| Israel general election today on 23:42 - Oct 29 with 952 views | NthQldITFC |
| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 29 by Swansea_Blue |
What I struggle to get my head around is how the media and seemingly most of the world are talking about him and this election as if this a perfectly normal democratic election with him as your big standard, average Joe valid candidate. Why isn’t the only question being asked ‘when is he appearing in front of the ICC in The Hague and, if not, why not?’. It seems like we’re normalising genocide and giving validation to a likely war criminal. Or am I missing something/over-reacting? |
You're doing neither.
It's a creeping, long-standing, disgraceful stain on so-called civilised western democracies. |  |
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| Israel general election today on 08:43 - Oct 30 with 794 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Israel general election today on 23:42 - Oct 29 by NthQldITFC |
You're doing neither.
It's a creeping, long-standing, disgraceful stain on so-called civilised western democracies. |
Next will be Trump saying he’ll only work with Netanyahu or he’ll withold military support | | | |
| Israel general election today on 08:46 - Oct 30 with 793 views | vapour_trail |
| Israel general election today on 21:40 - Oct 29 by Swansea_Blue |
What I struggle to get my head around is how the media and seemingly most of the world are talking about him and this election as if this a perfectly normal democratic election with him as your big standard, average Joe valid candidate. Why isn’t the only question being asked ‘when is he appearing in front of the ICC in The Hague and, if not, why not?’. It seems like we’re normalising genocide and giving validation to a likely war criminal. Or am I missing something/over-reacting? |
No I don’t think you are. This thread is a good example of it. |  |
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| Israel general election today on 10:15 - Oct 30 with 708 views | DJR |
| Israel general election today on 08:46 - Oct 30 by vapour_trail |
No I don’t think you are. This thread is a good example of it. |
I think the following is a perfectly valid line to take.
1. To oppose and condemn to the utmost what Netanyahu has done.
2. To recognise the fact that Jewish voters made Likud the biggest party and its coalition the biggest bloc.
3. To recognise that Israel is not a properly functioning democracy in the sense that only the left-leaning Democrats have contemplated some sort of arrangement with the Arab parties that would defeat Netanyahu's coalition.
4. To discuss, and be interested in, the election and the eventual outcome. [Post edited 30 Oct 16:01]
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| Israel general election today on 15:57 - Oct 30 with 574 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israel general election today on 10:15 - Oct 30 by DJR |
I think the following is a perfectly valid line to take.
1. To oppose and condemn to the utmost what Netanyahu has done.
2. To recognise the fact that Jewish voters made Likud the biggest party and its coalition the biggest bloc.
3. To recognise that Israel is not a properly functioning democracy in the sense that only the left-leaning Democrats have contemplated some sort of arrangement with the Arab parties that would defeat Netanyahu's coalition.
4. To discuss, and be interested in, the election and the eventual outcome. [Post edited 30 Oct 16:01]
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I think we are broadly in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on this thread support Likud or the war criminals and terrorist supporters in the governing coalition.
Re point three though, one of the Arab parties is extremely anti-LGBTQ+ and they refuse to condemn Hamas. We shouldn’t just look at the Arab list and say that they are the good guys. Even though mostly they are. [Post edited 30 Oct 17:35]
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| Israel general election today on 16:48 - Oct 30 with 529 views | DJR |
| Israel general election today on 15:57 - Oct 30 by GlasgowBlue |
I think we are broadly in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on this thread support Likud or the war criminals and terrorist supporters in the governing coalition.
Re point three though, one of the Arab parties is extremely anti-LGBTQ+ and they refuse to condemn Hamas. We shouldn’t just look at the Arab list and say that they are the good guys. Even though mostly they are. [Post edited 30 Oct 17:35]
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Golan wrote in an opinion piece in Haaretz that working with the Arab-led parties won’t always be simple, but says this does not mean it shouldn’t happen.
“We will present demands, stand firm on our security and national principles, and will conduct tough and practical negotiations — just as we would with any other faction in parliament,” he says. “But we will not disqualify individuals, nor will we accept the rules of the game dictated by the poison machine to keep its grip on power.”
But it doesn't look like it is going to happen given Yisrael Beytenu chairman Avigdor Liberman has reiterated his party’s refusal to join any coalition that includes the two Arab-led parties in the next Knesset. [Post edited 30 Oct 17:11]
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| Israel general election today on 17:36 - Oct 30 with 481 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israel general election today on 16:48 - Oct 30 by DJR |
Golan wrote in an opinion piece in Haaretz that working with the Arab-led parties won’t always be simple, but says this does not mean it shouldn’t happen.
“We will present demands, stand firm on our security and national principles, and will conduct tough and practical negotiations — just as we would with any other faction in parliament,” he says. “But we will not disqualify individuals, nor will we accept the rules of the game dictated by the poison machine to keep its grip on power.”
But it doesn't look like it is going to happen given Yisrael Beytenu chairman Avigdor Liberman has reiterated his party’s refusal to join any coalition that includes the two Arab-led parties in the next Knesset. [Post edited 30 Oct 17:11]
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As I've said on a couple of posts, there can be an informal supply and confidence arrangement for an anti Bibi minority government which save face on all sides. | |
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| Israel general election today on 07:35 - Nov 1 with 188 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israel general election today on 16:48 - Oct 30 by DJR |
Golan wrote in an opinion piece in Haaretz that working with the Arab-led parties won’t always be simple, but says this does not mean it shouldn’t happen.
“We will present demands, stand firm on our security and national principles, and will conduct tough and practical negotiations — just as we would with any other faction in parliament,” he says. “But we will not disqualify individuals, nor will we accept the rules of the game dictated by the poison machine to keep its grip on power.”
But it doesn't look like it is going to happen given Yisrael Beytenu chairman Avigdor Liberman has reiterated his party’s refusal to join any coalition that includes the two Arab-led parties in the next Knesset. [Post edited 30 Oct 17:11]
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Another important intervention. This time from former IDF Chief of Staff and Likud Defense Minister and Vice PM Moshe Ya’alon.
“ I’ve known Dr. Mansour Abbas, the head of Ra’am, from long meetings and conversations in the Knesset and beyond. Mansour is a courageous Arab-Israeli leader(!) who emphasizes his position as someone who recognizes the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence, and also advocates for enlistment for all (whether for military service or national-civic service). I saw and heard him during Operation Guardian of the Walls, as he went through the mixed cities and “poured water” in places where Ben Gvir’s Kahanists “ignited a fire of hatred and poured fuel on the blaze.”
I know Superintendent (res.) Yoav Seglovich very well, ever since he served as my commander in the Paratroopers Reconnaissance Unit.
I know Itamar Ben Gvir as a Shabak examinee who incited hatred, agitation, and violence in the Hebron sector. He was convicted on 8 indictments for his actions, including support for a Jewish terrorist organization.
I knew Bezalel Smotrich as someone who was arrested before the disengagement, on suspicion of intending to blow up 700 liters of fuel on Highway 1—a terrorist act meant to halt the implementation of the disengagement. There’s no need to elaborate on his exploits as a minister in the Ministry of Defense, with the encouragement and backing of Jewish terrorism in Judea, Samaria, and the Jordan Valley.
Mansour Abbas is not a son of Moses’ faith, but I hope that most Israeli citizens are closer to his values, and not to the messianic, racist, and fascist values.
Leaders of the Change bloc, Mansour Abbas must serve as a minister in the Israeli government. Stop accepting the rules of the game set by those responsible for the October 7 massacre, who are willing to burn the country just to stay in power.
Take over the Knesset and form a government urgently—better an hour sooner!” | |
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| Israel general election today on 12:06 - Nov 1 with 78 views | mellowblue |
| Israel general election today on 07:35 - Nov 1 by GlasgowBlue |
Another important intervention. This time from former IDF Chief of Staff and Likud Defense Minister and Vice PM Moshe Ya’alon.
“ I’ve known Dr. Mansour Abbas, the head of Ra’am, from long meetings and conversations in the Knesset and beyond. Mansour is a courageous Arab-Israeli leader(!) who emphasizes his position as someone who recognizes the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence, and also advocates for enlistment for all (whether for military service or national-civic service). I saw and heard him during Operation Guardian of the Walls, as he went through the mixed cities and “poured water” in places where Ben Gvir’s Kahanists “ignited a fire of hatred and poured fuel on the blaze.”
I know Superintendent (res.) Yoav Seglovich very well, ever since he served as my commander in the Paratroopers Reconnaissance Unit.
I know Itamar Ben Gvir as a Shabak examinee who incited hatred, agitation, and violence in the Hebron sector. He was convicted on 8 indictments for his actions, including support for a Jewish terrorist organization.
I knew Bezalel Smotrich as someone who was arrested before the disengagement, on suspicion of intending to blow up 700 liters of fuel on Highway 1—a terrorist act meant to halt the implementation of the disengagement. There’s no need to elaborate on his exploits as a minister in the Ministry of Defense, with the encouragement and backing of Jewish terrorism in Judea, Samaria, and the Jordan Valley.
Mansour Abbas is not a son of Moses’ faith, but I hope that most Israeli citizens are closer to his values, and not to the messianic, racist, and fascist values.
Leaders of the Change bloc, Mansour Abbas must serve as a minister in the Israeli government. Stop accepting the rules of the game set by those responsible for the October 7 massacre, who are willing to burn the country just to stay in power.
Take over the Knesset and form a government urgently—better an hour sooner!” |
Got to say that is quite the endorsement of/ and cosying up to/ the arab faction. I am still sceptical on this happening but if the arabs become the king-maker for a moderate consortium, it could be a big game changer obviously. They have done it before, but the climate is very different now and with their seats gain the expectations on them would be higher.
Interesting that Ra'am are trying to broaden their representation and membership into something more mainstream, multi faith/race but that does not really dilute very much the core Arab identity.
If it happens it could lead to problems down the road with big resentment from the right and the military . The repercussions could be extreme. Depends how much they value democracy and whether an well-educated population would oppose any coups or military takeovers. But that is all extreme supposition. [Post edited 1 Nov 12:09]
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