| Leif, O’Shea, Walton 15:07 - Nov 8 with 4960 views | Waig |
It’s sad but reality is their ceiling is Championship, we’ve got to replace them I’m afraid. |  | | |  |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:25 - Nov 8 | redrickstuhaart |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:02 - Nov 8 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s what his role is. You should have worked that out by now. The issue is when he does go forward we need to still cover the space in behind him and we’re not consistently doing that.
The more this goes on I wonder if those saying we need to go 3-5-2 have a point, but it blunts us offensively and that’s where we’ll salvage enough points to stay up. |
3 points in two games is better than two draws. Simple as that.
Go into your shell in these league, and you are cooked. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:30 - Nov 8 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:41 - Nov 8 by billlm |
I clearly don't understand it but I played a lot of it, you read what I stated above and I stand by it,
Forward no complaints,
As a defender can't read a game |
I guess we shouldn't remind everyone that you wanted McKenna sacked. |  |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:31 - Nov 8 | FrimleyBlue |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:30 - Nov 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I guess we shouldn't remind everyone that you wanted McKenna sacked. |
Tbf if Davis didnt have his defensive issues. Hed have been picked for England by now. |  |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:44 - Nov 8 | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:31 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbf if Davis didnt have his defensive issues. Hed have been picked for England by now. |
It’s a trade off for bombing forward isn’t it. Very few attacking fullbacks are able to defend solidly - even Trent had his critics for that.
Perhaps a FB bombing forward is a luxury a promoted team can ill afford. leif’s goal contributions are too few to make it worthwhile surely. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:59 - Nov 8 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:31 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbf if Davis didnt have his defensive issues. Hed have been picked for England by now. |
Defensive issues meaning he's not quite good enough for England, is one thing.
I'm responding to someone who said, "When I played left back I could have done a better job with one foot tied behind me, Positioning play awful, Awareness awful,Tackling awful." | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 21:10 - Nov 8 | FrimleyBlue |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:59 - Nov 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Defensive issues meaning he's not quite good enough for England, is one thing.
I'm responding to someone who said, "When I played left back I could have done a better job with one foot tied behind me, Positioning play awful, Awareness awful,Tackling awful." |
Yeah thats a bit OTT
I think with leif we are at a cross roads. I dont think he can get any better now and im not sure he is good enough as a fullback.
If we play wingbacks i think he is ok but soon we need someone who could be both. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 21:23 - Nov 8 | cressi |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:26 - Nov 8 by quad |
Why? I'm not disputing Leif's ability, but he was very reckless to get caught so far out of position. He's a defender first and foremost. And his defending recently has been poor. |
O'Shea had to come to the man so basic. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 21:26 - Nov 8 | BloomBlue |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:59 - Nov 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Defensive issues meaning he's not quite good enough for England, is one thing.
I'm responding to someone who said, "When I played left back I could have done a better job with one foot tied behind me, Positioning play awful, Awareness awful,Tackling awful." |
The poster who said that is referencing when he played football in the garden with his granddad. |  | | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 07:21 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 21:10 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah thats a bit OTT
I think with leif we are at a cross roads. I dont think he can get any better now and im not sure he is good enough as a fullback.
If we play wingbacks i think he is ok but soon we need someone who could be both. |
I think he's had a good season and just had a couple of slightly off it games. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 08:19 - Nov 9 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:30 - Nov 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I guess we shouldn't remind everyone that you wanted McKenna sacked. |
This isn't the thread but you are like one of those little ankle biting doggies,
Till the next time,
We're just discussing if he is a good DEFENDER or not, that's all |  | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 08:22 - Nov 9 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 21:26 - Nov 8 by BloomBlue |
The poster who said that is referencing when he played football in the garden with his granddad. |
Ha ha, if that's me, was a lot higher than that | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 11:06 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 08:19 - Nov 9 by billlm |
This isn't the thread but you are like one of those little ankle biting doggies,
Till the next time,
We're just discussing if he is a good DEFENDER or not, that's all |
But you're claiming he's terrible at everything, and when you played left back you could have done a better job with one foot tied behind you.
I was referring to your judgement. If you judged McKenna was a bad manager and needed replacing then that kind of tempers how good a judge you are of players too.
I might be an ankle biting doggie but I think it's justified if you're claiming some sort of expertise in football matters. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 11:26 - Nov 9 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 11:06 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
But you're claiming he's terrible at everything, and when you played left back you could have done a better job with one foot tied behind you.
I was referring to your judgement. If you judged McKenna was a bad manager and needed replacing then that kind of tempers how good a judge you are of players too.
I might be an ankle biting doggie but I think it's justified if you're claiming some sort of expertise in football matters. |
I don't claim to know anything more or less than you do, footballs about lovley opinions and debates,
Time for you to go and bite someone else's ankles of which we've all seen you do,
Or maybe a lovely poem on our glorious left backs attributes,
Have a lovley day, | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 11:28 - Nov 9 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 11:06 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
But you're claiming he's terrible at everything, and when you played left back you could have done a better job with one foot tied behind you.
I was referring to your judgement. If you judged McKenna was a bad manager and needed replacing then that kind of tempers how good a judge you are of players too.
I might be an ankle biting doggie but I think it's justified if you're claiming some sort of expertise in football matters. |
Oh btw he's not terrible at going forward that's his greatest attribute,
I've never said that, | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 12:13 - Nov 9 | jayessess |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:20 - Nov 8 by quad |
He was on the half way line when Hull broke away and equalised last week. We were winning 1-0 and in control. Lack of discipline and professionalism. People can say what they want. But I haven't forgiven him for it. And Walton's mistake today was unforgivable too. In fact they're not mistakes, just ridiculous. |
Yeah, stupid Leif, what was he doing, marking their right winger (also, their best player and top goalscorer) when he should have just been giving him 20 yards of space so he could anticipate their defensive midfielder's run in behind not being tracked or contested.
So useless! |  |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 12:24 - Nov 9 | OldFart71 |
GON is partly right regarding knee jerk reaction. The question that has to be asked is has it gone beyond knee jerk. I think it has. Players like Greaves replacing Davis. If you cannot use Davis as an attacking option then Greaves is a better defender. Either that or put Greaves alongside Diop, Move Quattara over and bring in Furlong.
If Lukic isn't available why is Matusiwa not being given the chance and up top Flemming or Akpom needs to start.
If something doesn't change soon we will be fighting it out with those in the bottom three and whilst Man Utd aren't exactly pulling up trees they can and will pick up points. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:36 - Nov 9 | quad |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:38 - Nov 8 by redrickstuhaart |
Just nonsense. This ridiculous narrative that he is a bad defender is born of people who don't understand football. |
We all bow to your superior knowledge. Let's put him in the England squad, he's clearly the next Paolo Maldini.
Nobody has said he's a bad defender. Just that he shouldn't be playing so gung ho.when we're already winning. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:54 - Nov 9 | quad |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 12:13 - Nov 9 by jayessess |
Yeah, stupid Leif, what was he doing, marking their right winger (also, their best player and top goalscorer) when he should have just been giving him 20 yards of space so he could anticipate their defensive midfielder's run in behind not being tracked or contested.
So useless! |
You cant even argue he was marking Belloumi and not Iroegbunam.
He wasn't marking Belloumi and he didn't track his run either.
Leif's attempt to get back was very half-arsed indeed. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 22:46 - Nov 9 | Dennyx4 |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:54 - Nov 9 by quad |
You cant even argue he was marking Belloumi and not Iroegbunam.
He wasn't marking Belloumi and he didn't track his run either.
Leif's attempt to get back was very half-arsed indeed. |
If you look at the replay of that goal Davis is within a yard of Belloumi when the ball is played forward. Diop has also followed McBurnie, which meant the two left sided defenders were both out of position for that run. Possibly something the Hull Manager spotted and instructed at Half Time.
To me, we were man marking and that is why these two were out of position. This system would rely on the midfielder being tracked, which didn’t happen. Partly as Hull had just put an additional attacking midfielder on for a defender.
That doesn’t excuse O’Shea from not moving across, and assumes that man marking was the tactic deployed by O’Neil, but that is how it looked to me. |  | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 11:02 - Nov 10 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 22:46 - Nov 9 by Dennyx4 |
If you look at the replay of that goal Davis is within a yard of Belloumi when the ball is played forward. Diop has also followed McBurnie, which meant the two left sided defenders were both out of position for that run. Possibly something the Hull Manager spotted and instructed at Half Time.
To me, we were man marking and that is why these two were out of position. This system would rely on the midfielder being tracked, which didn’t happen. Partly as Hull had just put an additional attacking midfielder on for a defender.
That doesn’t excuse O’Shea from not moving across, and assumes that man marking was the tactic deployed by O’Neil, but that is how it looked to me. |
Wasn't dioo the right sided CB tracking his man burnie across so he wasn't pulled out of position doing his job,
Oshea was the left CB who stood off didn't go across when he could seen davis was no where to be seen nothing new there,
Only grace you could give oshea was an attacking midfielder was steaming in so caught in two minds possibly, but you fill the gaps and play the ball,
It was so easy for them,
Diop was doing his job | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:47 - Nov 10 | Dennyx4 |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 11:02 - Nov 10 by billlm |
Wasn't dioo the right sided CB tracking his man burnie across so he wasn't pulled out of position doing his job,
Oshea was the left CB who stood off didn't go across when he could seen davis was no where to be seen nothing new there,
Only grace you could give oshea was an attacking midfielder was steaming in so caught in two minds possibly, but you fill the gaps and play the ball,
It was so easy for them,
Diop was doing his job |
No, this was the only game where the two started differently, O’Shea was the right centre half and Diop the left, no idea why they changed for Hull, only to revert back on Sunday.
I guess the change back on Sunday was because of the huge mistake by O’Shea, not going across to cover, and sticking to his right side of defence.
Agree, Diop was doing his job, he followed McBurnie.
Hull started 541, but changed to 451 at the start of the second half.
The run was made by the defensive midfielder, who wasn’t being marked. The first time he made the run, as said earlier, believe this was something Hull had noticed and communicated at half time. [Post edited 10 Nov 15:51]
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 18:54 - Nov 10 | quad |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 22:46 - Nov 9 by Dennyx4 |
If you look at the replay of that goal Davis is within a yard of Belloumi when the ball is played forward. Diop has also followed McBurnie, which meant the two left sided defenders were both out of position for that run. Possibly something the Hull Manager spotted and instructed at Half Time.
To me, we were man marking and that is why these two were out of position. This system would rely on the midfielder being tracked, which didn’t happen. Partly as Hull had just put an additional attacking midfielder on for a defender.
That doesn’t excuse O’Shea from not moving across, and assumes that man marking was the tactic deployed by O’Neil, but that is how it looked to me. |
I have watched the replay back and, OK, fair enough if Davis was marking Belloumi then he was close to him when the ball was played forward, so I will cut him slack if he has been instructed to man mark him.
Even so, if you watch the replay just before they score you will also see that Belloumi continued his run and that if O'Shea had closed down the bloke who scored, then he could have made a cut back to Belloumi who was unmarked. Davis was fairly close but not close enough to have been able to get a tackle in. He just kind of ambled back which was what disappointed me. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:50 - Nov 10 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:44 - Nov 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s a trade off for bombing forward isn’t it. Very few attacking fullbacks are able to defend solidly - even Trent had his critics for that.
Perhaps a FB bombing forward is a luxury a promoted team can ill afford. leif’s goal contributions are too few to make it worthwhile surely. |
I think our RB has done a pretty solid job doing both. Davis does play very high for a team without a lot of control in games. By design? Maybe but there are certainly negatives to it.
If we are playing Philogene it would probably be better to have a more defensive minded LB that sits in long term. |  |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:19 - Nov 10 | DJR |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:50 - Nov 10 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I think our RB has done a pretty solid job doing both. Davis does play very high for a team without a lot of control in games. By design? Maybe but there are certainly negatives to it.
If we are playing Philogene it would probably be better to have a more defensive minded LB that sits in long term. |
Leaving aside the fact that Philogene did a very good job at tracking back on Saturday, it is interesting to note that, according to Opta, Ouatarra has two errors leading to goals, ahead of O'Shea and Walton on 1 and Davis with presumably none.
https://www.statmuse.com/fc/as
Now this isn't meant as a criticism of him, but it just reinforces my puzzlement at the fact that it is a quite a few of our players from last season that seem to be getting all the stick, including Philogene. |  | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:34 - Nov 10 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:19 - Nov 10 by DJR |
Leaving aside the fact that Philogene did a very good job at tracking back on Saturday, it is interesting to note that, according to Opta, Ouatarra has two errors leading to goals, ahead of O'Shea and Walton on 1 and Davis with presumably none.
https://www.statmuse.com/fc/as
Now this isn't meant as a criticism of him, but it just reinforces my puzzlement at the fact that it is a quite a few of our players from last season that seem to be getting all the stick, including Philogene. |
He's been one of our best 3 players. Walton for "one" goal is clearly farcical for anyone with eyes. | |
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