| Cut Walton some slack 14:02 - Nov 9 with 2138 views | GreenEye |
I think he's made some fine saves this season.
We know he's not great with his feet so a hospital pass instead of playing up the line wasn't smart. |  | | |  |
| Cut Walton some slack on 17:23 - Nov 9 | Mullet |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:51 - Nov 9 by Illinoisblue |
This is what’s annoying about that goal; players and especially keepers seem blindsided by the we have to play out instructions and and are incapable of making the common sense decision to go long and relieve pressure.
Walton we know is not good with his feet - I recall in L1 or championship, Plymouth at home I think - he was an accident waiting to happen.
We all see it, GON surely must. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:51]
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Mick would fix it |  |
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| Indeed on 18:09 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
| Indeed on 16:08 - Nov 9 by Dyland |
Most goalies do it, multiple times. |
no they dont |  |
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| Indeed on 18:12 - Nov 9 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It's absolutely one of the worst goals you will see conceded in the PL this season by an individual error and that isn't being hyperbolic. |  |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 18:58 - Nov 9 | quad |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:51 - Nov 9 by Illinoisblue |
This is what’s annoying about that goal; players and especially keepers seem blindsided by the we have to play out instructions and and are incapable of making the common sense decision to go long and relieve pressure.
Walton we know is not good with his feet - I recall in L1 or championship, Plymouth at home I think - he was an accident waiting to happen.
We all see it, GON surely must. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:51]
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It was Plymouth. High press and he was very nervy indeed. It was that game that made me think he wasn't a top, top keeper. Good yes, but never premier league level. | | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 19:15 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:08 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Hospital pass?
I get you wanna defend the keeper but that was a fine pass from a defender
Walton simply had to pass the ball first time to diop without the touch or after the touch simply pass it to palacios
In no way was the passback to walton a hospital pass |
Yep. I haven't seen it other than live, but I felt like I could see what was going to happen at the time... and even after having that thought there was still time to hoof it!
Just inexplicable why he took so long about it. Just as inexplicable as O'Shea not coming across to engage the attacker at Hull last week. |  |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 19:25 - Nov 9 | Bucklebury_blue |
A striker who misses an easy goal doesn’t get as much grief as a goalkeeper howler such as Walton’s. Yet it has cost us a goal just the same. So yes. Back off with the goalkeeper criticism. | | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 19:42 - Nov 9 | HighgateBlue |
| Cut Walton some slack on 15:49 - Nov 9 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Unfortunately the bad outweighs the good. Only Rushworth has a worse Goal Prevented rate than Walton. |
Yes.
Even the idea of "Goals Prevented" entails the premise that danger was created independently of the goalkeeper, and measures the goalkeeper's success at preventing a goal, given the degree of danger that existed.
But for Bournemouth's first, it wasn't just that he didn't prevent a goal, he totally created the danger himself. There should be a "Goals Against Caused" stat.
We can surely say with confidence that no team in the Premier League would swap their first choice keeper for Walton. If anyone disagrees with that proposition, I would be interested to hear any (specific) contrary views. Both of the other promoted clubs have invested in £20m+ goalkeepers. With good reason. |  | | |
| Indeed on 19:49 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
| Indeed on 18:12 - Nov 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It's absolutely one of the worst goals you will see conceded in the PL this season by an individual error and that isn't being hyperbolic. |
100% and its just a nail in the coffin. Well should be
I get people love him. I do. Hes been a big part of the club. But he is genuinly not good enough. He rarely saves shots that arent straight at him. His long kicks dont do anything. He holds onto the ball to long. He never gets a cross that goes along the 6 yard box. Hes always flat footed.
Thanks for service but come on we are facing relegation with him in goal. | |
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| Indeed on 21:28 - Nov 9 | FoghornGleghorn |
| Indeed on 19:49 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
100% and its just a nail in the coffin. Well should be
I get people love him. I do. Hes been a big part of the club. But he is genuinly not good enough. He rarely saves shots that arent straight at him. His long kicks dont do anything. He holds onto the ball to long. He never gets a cross that goes along the 6 yard box. Hes always flat footed.
Thanks for service but come on we are facing relegation with him in goal. |
"rarely saves shots that arent straight at him".
Game-saving stop against Fulham/save from the Tavernier shot on Saturday? Unremarkable because they apparently just hit him in the leg when he was diving the other way.
Nominated for save of the month? Nope, because in your view it was going wide. Which you'd think would preclude it from being nominated for save of the month if it actually was.
That goal on Saturday was 100% his fault and an absolute howler, but Jesus man, are you ever able to take a view on a situation that isn't at one polar extreme or the other? | | | |
| Indeed on 21:39 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
| Indeed on 21:28 - Nov 9 by FoghornGleghorn |
"rarely saves shots that arent straight at him".
Game-saving stop against Fulham/save from the Tavernier shot on Saturday? Unremarkable because they apparently just hit him in the leg when he was diving the other way.
Nominated for save of the month? Nope, because in your view it was going wide. Which you'd think would preclude it from being nominated for save of the month if it actually was.
That goal on Saturday was 100% his fault and an absolute howler, but Jesus man, are you ever able to take a view on a situation that isn't at one polar extreme or the other? |
Game saving stop v fulham was literally at him
Tavernier shot he didnt do anything. It literallt hit his trailing leg. Not even a lift of a leg just a natural position of a leg following a dive.
Amazing that you see them as saves that arent directly at him.
Plus btw i said rarely. He wouldnt be a league gk if he didnt save the occasional shot now would he.
And no i dont feel that other shot was going in. Replays back that up. It shouldnt have been included however....
"Awards like the Premier League Save of the Month often highlight the drama, and visual quality of a goalkeeper throwing themselves across the line rather than strictly measuring post-hoc telemetry on whether it crossed the goal line or hit the target"
Also. Towns GK data partner goalkeeper.com are also involved in the process.
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| Indeed on 22:34 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Indeed on 21:39 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Game saving stop v fulham was literally at him
Tavernier shot he didnt do anything. It literallt hit his trailing leg. Not even a lift of a leg just a natural position of a leg following a dive.
Amazing that you see them as saves that arent directly at him.
Plus btw i said rarely. He wouldnt be a league gk if he didnt save the occasional shot now would he.
And no i dont feel that other shot was going in. Replays back that up. It shouldnt have been included however....
"Awards like the Premier League Save of the Month often highlight the drama, and visual quality of a goalkeeper throwing themselves across the line rather than strictly measuring post-hoc telemetry on whether it crossed the goal line or hit the target"
Also. Towns GK data partner goalkeeper.com are also involved in the process.
[Post edited 9 Nov 22:12]
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You've gone too far again. | |
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| Indeed on 22:38 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
Telling the truth isnt going to far. | |
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| Indeed on 23:35 - Nov 9 | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| Indeed on 22:38 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Telling the truth isnt going to far. |
If you were to estimate, how many posts IN THE LAST TWO DAYS ONLY do you think you have made about Walton?
We get it. You don't rate him. You've made that point repeatedly.
Tot them up and consider why people may think you are going full you again. |  | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 06:18 - Nov 10 | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Cut Walton some slack on 16:03 - Nov 9 by grow_our_own |
Yes this. GON annoyed me by saying Walton should have gone long "to the top line". First, because he named and shamed an individual player in public. Good managers don't do that. If you must criticise players, name the position instead. And secondly, because there were two short passes on. Lumping it long is a recipe for little possession and chaos instead of controlled attacking. We need a keeper that can beat a striker with his passing, and create 10 vs 9 outfielder situations. Not panic and go long bc his manager is going to throw him under the bus to the press if he doesn't.
Where we disagree is that even with this mistake, Walton's made fewer than Scherpen this season having played more games, so deserves to keep his place. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:07]
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Good idea to name the position instead, if GON had referenced ‘the goalkeeper’ we’d have had no idea who he was criticising |  |
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| Indeed on 06:27 - Nov 10 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Indeed on 22:38 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Telling the truth isnt going to far. |
"no i dont feel that other shot was going in. Replays back that up."
Confirmation bias. You don't want it to have been going in because it doesn't back up your narrative. I've watched it back again and it's inconclusive, but looks to me, if you pause a split second before his fingers touch it, that it's heading for the post. That could well mean in off the post.
Walton's made enough mistakes to criticise, if that's what you want to do. No need to criticise his saves as well! | |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 07:15 - Nov 10 | bournemouthblue |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:14 - Nov 9 by _CliveBaker_ |
I don't think he should attempt either of those passes tbh. You're 5 minutes into a PL game, we'd started fairly bright, against a side bang in form, and its on his strong side. The ball from O'Shea was fine, just go long towards Emersonn, absolutely fooking ridiculous to do anything but. |
Match of the Day were suggesting we should have given him more of an angle but having faffed about with it once, he should have just got rid of it |  |
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| Indeed on 07:20 - Nov 10 | FrimleyBlue |
| Indeed on 06:27 - Nov 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"no i dont feel that other shot was going in. Replays back that up."
Confirmation bias. You don't want it to have been going in because it doesn't back up your narrative. I've watched it back again and it's inconclusive, but looks to me, if you pause a split second before his fingers touch it, that it's heading for the post. That could well mean in off the post.
Walton's made enough mistakes to criticise, if that's what you want to do. No need to criticise his saves as well! |
So is that your own bias no? The ball is curling away from goal. Literally the only reason i dont sgree that the ball is going in. | |
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| Indeed on 07:25 - Nov 10 | Dubtractor |
| Indeed on 21:39 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Game saving stop v fulham was literally at him
Tavernier shot he didnt do anything. It literallt hit his trailing leg. Not even a lift of a leg just a natural position of a leg following a dive.
Amazing that you see them as saves that arent directly at him.
Plus btw i said rarely. He wouldnt be a league gk if he didnt save the occasional shot now would he.
And no i dont feel that other shot was going in. Replays back that up. It shouldnt have been included however....
"Awards like the Premier League Save of the Month often highlight the drama, and visual quality of a goalkeeper throwing themselves across the line rather than strictly measuring post-hoc telemetry on whether it crossed the goal line or hit the target"
Also. Towns GK data partner goalkeeper.com are also involved in the process.
[Post edited 9 Nov 22:12]
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I don't disagree with the view that Walton isn't good enough, but doubling down on things like that save of the month contender, when you really just need to hold your hands up, is why you will continue to get stick on here. |  |
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| Indeed on 07:34 - Nov 10 | FrimleyBlue |
| Indeed on 07:25 - Nov 10 by Dubtractor |
I don't disagree with the view that Walton isn't good enough, but doubling down on things like that save of the month contender, when you really just need to hold your hands up, is why you will continue to get stick on here. |
I shouldnt have to hold my hands up simply because others have their own opinion it was going in. No differece to the outtara pen when some feel it was some feel it wasnt. The only reason i replied about it is people use the save of the month like its this amazing thing when its proven that they dont even have to believe the ball was going in themselves to even shortlist a keeper for it. Not my fault the keeper in question is walton. If it were scherpen. Muric. Wright whoever id still say it wasnt going in. It was spinning away from goal. | |
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| No of course not on 07:36 - Nov 10 | Dyland |
I didn't mean that literally, sorry. Point is that better goalkeepers make as egregious errors. And that's not to say Walton's wasn't a calamitous error, which it was. |  |
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| Indeed on 07:37 - Nov 10 | Dubtractor |
| Indeed on 07:34 - Nov 10 by FrimleyBlue |
I shouldnt have to hold my hands up simply because others have their own opinion it was going in. No differece to the outtara pen when some feel it was some feel it wasnt. The only reason i replied about it is people use the save of the month like its this amazing thing when its proven that they dont even have to believe the ball was going in themselves to even shortlist a keeper for it. Not my fault the keeper in question is walton. If it were scherpen. Muric. Wright whoever id still say it wasnt going in. It was spinning away from goal. |
Its not even that. You're going out of your way to cast doubt on the judging process, even implying a level of conspiracy.
As someone else suggested in this thread, you've gone way way OTT on the Walt8n issue on here, it isn't healthy debate any more. | |
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| Indeed on 07:43 - Nov 10 | FrimleyBlue |
| Indeed on 07:37 - Nov 10 by Dubtractor |
Its not even that. You're going out of your way to cast doubt on the judging process, even implying a level of conspiracy.
As someone else suggested in this thread, you've gone way way OTT on the Walt8n issue on here, it isn't healthy debate any more. |
Not a conspiracy. They have a way of shortlisting saves. If your going to stand behind a nomination to show how great a save was. Its fair to point out the ball doesnt need to be going in to get shortlisted.
Anyways. Lets move on. | |
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| Indeed on 07:44 - Nov 10 | Dubtractor |
| Indeed on 07:43 - Nov 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Not a conspiracy. They have a way of shortlisting saves. If your going to stand behind a nomination to show how great a save was. Its fair to point out the ball doesnt need to be going in to get shortlisted.
Anyways. Lets move on. |
I mean your mention of goalkeeper.com
Edit: one last point. If your response to one of our players being nominated for an award is to try and pick holes in the nomination process to prove your own view that our own player is undeserving of the award, well........ [Post edited 10 Nov 7:50]
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| Cut Walton some slack on 07:58 - Nov 10 | Bluemike31 |
If some are happy to keep cutting the usual suspects some slack every time they mess up then don't keep posting about how the season is starting to slide blah blah blah because that is the reason why, the mistakes have to stop because no team is really outplaying us, we beat ourselves. | | | |
| Indeed on 08:52 - Nov 10 | FrimleyBlue |
| Indeed on 07:44 - Nov 10 by Dubtractor |
I mean your mention of goalkeeper.com
Edit: one last point. If your response to one of our players being nominated for an award is to try and pick holes in the nomination process to prove your own view that our own player is undeserving of the award, well........ [Post edited 10 Nov 7:50]
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If he won hes deserving of it as hed have a won something he was nominated for. I havent said he wouldnt deserve to win it. If the judges felt his dive was better than those who stopped shots that was going in then thats for them to award and hed deserve to win it based on their chosen criteria for shortlisting.
If your response to a keepers poor save rate is to point out an award where a ball doesnt even have to be going in to be nominated, well...... | |
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