| Apologies for another GK thread... 18:21 - Nov 10 with 1082 views | hoppy |
But I recall a lot of mentions of Nick Pope back in the early summer. Was he ever a genuine considered option, or was it just rumour, and if there was anything in it, how do you think it would've worked out with him as the number one glovesman? Would he come into the thinking again in January, if people are not seeing Scherpen as the answer or deserving of another chance if Walton isn't seen as being reliable at this level either? |  |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 21:34 - Nov 10 | Cheltenham_Blue |
Think there was genuine interest from our end, until McKenna went, then it cooled a bit, and Newcastle were waiting on a replacement coming in. I don't think we'd go back there.
Saw Aaron Ramsdale mentioned somewhere, (probably b0llocks), and thought that the only way that happens is as a swop with Walton going the other way, unless Palmer is on his way out. |  |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 21:51 - Nov 10 | JeremiahBrown |
I think it was all agreed. Terms had been agreed with the player and Pope wanted to come here, but I think that Newcastle wanted too much money for him. I think we still have some loan slots we could use if wanted. |  | | |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 23:32 - Nov 10 | Pique |
Don't know, but excellent use of 'glovesman'. |  | | |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 06:31 - Nov 11 | ITFC_Forever |
We think Walton is bad with his feet, he’s alot better than Pope.
And Pope was overrated at his peak…. And he’s declined considerably since then. |  |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 07:40 - Nov 11 | WolfieAtTheBack |
It is really really simple, don't pass the ball BACK to Walton and that takes all the pressure off of him and the defence.
Walton is an OK shot stopper, we know this. |  | | |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 08:56 - Nov 11 | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 07:40 - Nov 11 by WolfieAtTheBack |
It is really really simple, don't pass the ball BACK to Walton and that takes all the pressure off of him and the defence.
Walton is an OK shot stopper, we know this. |
He is a premier league goalkeeper. If he cant handle a fairly tame back pass we are even more trouble in that department than some of us think.
You cant just not pass the ball back to him. [Post edited 11 Nov 8:56]
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:03 - Nov 11 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 08:56 - Nov 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
He is a premier league goalkeeper. If he cant handle a fairly tame back pass we are even more trouble in that department than some of us think.
You cant just not pass the ball back to him. [Post edited 11 Nov 8:56]
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That is what we are dealing with NONE of the GK we have can play at this level, this is not news in any way so we have to patch it up and get through to January, | | | |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:03 - Nov 11 | Pinewoodblue |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 08:56 - Nov 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
He is a premier league goalkeeper. If he cant handle a fairly tame back pass we are even more trouble in that department than some of us think.
You cant just not pass the ball back to him. [Post edited 11 Nov 8:56]
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Bournemouth did their homework, they knew his weakness they knew he would make a first touch before clearing it. |  |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:07 - Nov 11 | MK1 |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 08:56 - Nov 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
He is a premier league goalkeeper. If he cant handle a fairly tame back pass we are even more trouble in that department than some of us think.
You cant just not pass the ball back to him. [Post edited 11 Nov 8:56]
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Pass it back to him when there is no pressure on him. If O'Shea/Diop have the option in front of them, then us that. If Walton is put under pressure then his instruction is very simple. Hoof it, don't mess around. |  |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:07 - Nov 11 | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:03 - Nov 11 by WolfieAtTheBack |
That is what we are dealing with NONE of the GK we have can play at this level, this is not news in any way so we have to patch it up and get through to January, |
Yes, but the way to patch it up is not to just not pass back to your goalkeeper lol. | |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:08 - Nov 11 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:07 - Nov 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Yes, but the way to patch it up is not to just not pass back to your goalkeeper lol. |
Let's keep passing it back to him and see what happens when you have 60m elite European level footballers running at him at full pelt.
lol [Post edited 11 Nov 9:09]
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:09 - Nov 11 | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:07 - Nov 11 by MK1 |
Pass it back to him when there is no pressure on him. If O'Shea/Diop have the option in front of them, then us that. If Walton is put under pressure then his instruction is very simple. Hoof it, don't mess around. |
I agree with your 2nd point. But we have to pass the ball back to him when there will be pressure on him at times. It is literally unavoidable. | |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:10 - Nov 11 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:07 - Nov 11 by MK1 |
Pass it back to him when there is no pressure on him. If O'Shea/Diop have the option in front of them, then us that. If Walton is put under pressure then his instruction is very simple. Hoof it, don't mess around. |
You have described what I am trying to say to a less extreme example.
Thank you. | | | |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:11 - Nov 11 | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:08 - Nov 11 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Let's keep passing it back to him and see what happens when you have 60m elite European level footballers running at him at full pelt.
lol [Post edited 11 Nov 9:09]
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You have no choice but to pass back to your goalkeeper at times. All Walton needs to do is not take 3 touches when he is being pressed. To argue we just shouldnt pass it back to him is illogical. | |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:14 - Nov 11 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:11 - Nov 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
You have no choice but to pass back to your goalkeeper at times. All Walton needs to do is not take 3 touches when he is being pressed. To argue we just shouldnt pass it back to him is illogical. |
He can't not take the touches though as he cannot kick / play out from the back.
This is the whole problem and if it means he distributes to the defenders and they go long or pass into Midfield then so be it, as a long as the ball does not go back to him where he can make an unforced error. | | | |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:20 - Nov 11 | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:14 - Nov 11 by WolfieAtTheBack |
He can't not take the touches though as he cannot kick / play out from the back.
This is the whole problem and if it means he distributes to the defenders and they go long or pass into Midfield then so be it, as a long as the ball does not go back to him where he can make an unforced error. |
He can though because we have passed it back to him a lot this season and he hasn't given goals away. He is a long way from Ederson but he is not incapable of hoofing a ball first time. Even after the mistake on Saturday he was taking the ball under pressure.
It was an awful mistake on Saturday but this is all very dramatic. | |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:22 - Nov 11 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:20 - Nov 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
He can though because we have passed it back to him a lot this season and he hasn't given goals away. He is a long way from Ederson but he is not incapable of hoofing a ball first time. Even after the mistake on Saturday he was taking the ball under pressure.
It was an awful mistake on Saturday but this is all very dramatic. |
Whatever you or I think we need a goalkeeper than can do the full role and not bit of it. If that is in January then do be it.
If we want to stay up we need an experienced goalie and a #9, but let's not go there on the striker as I have a meeting at 10am, | | | |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:35 - Nov 11 | ParisBlue |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 21:34 - Nov 10 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Think there was genuine interest from our end, until McKenna went, then it cooled a bit, and Newcastle were waiting on a replacement coming in. I don't think we'd go back there.
Saw Aaron Ramsdale mentioned somewhere, (probably b0llocks), and thought that the only way that happens is as a swop with Walton going the other way, unless Palmer is on his way out. |
Ramsdale is 4th choice at Southampton, basically not in the matchday squads and playing in the under 21s only.
The issue is wages, he's on £120k a week even in the Championship (no wage reduction on relegation when he joined from Arsenal). Whilst he was on loan at Newcastle last season they chose not to take up their option to make it permanent. By all accounts the other offers were from abroad and, with his wife having a second child in August he wanted ro stay in England.
By all accounts his relationship with Southampton remains good, he's not been a problem and was still named in the 25-man squad. When Peretz was injured earlier this season with fears he may be unavailable for some games the general consensus from Saints supporters was that Ramsdale should and would play (much like David Button is our 3rd keeper, he's never playing ahead of Alex Palmer).
In short, if we wanted him till the end of the season and were prepared to pay whatever percentage of his wages Southampton would accept plus maybe add-ons if we stay up, then it's very feasible. |  |
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| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:40 - Nov 11 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Apologies for another GK thread... on 09:35 - Nov 11 by ParisBlue |
Ramsdale is 4th choice at Southampton, basically not in the matchday squads and playing in the under 21s only.
The issue is wages, he's on £120k a week even in the Championship (no wage reduction on relegation when he joined from Arsenal). Whilst he was on loan at Newcastle last season they chose not to take up their option to make it permanent. By all accounts the other offers were from abroad and, with his wife having a second child in August he wanted ro stay in England.
By all accounts his relationship with Southampton remains good, he's not been a problem and was still named in the 25-man squad. When Peretz was injured earlier this season with fears he may be unavailable for some games the general consensus from Saints supporters was that Ramsdale should and would play (much like David Button is our 3rd keeper, he's never playing ahead of Alex Palmer).
In short, if we wanted him till the end of the season and were prepared to pay whatever percentage of his wages Southampton would accept plus maybe add-ons if we stay up, then it's very feasible. |
Can he use his feet and play out from the back? I don't know anything about him. | | | |
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