| 8xBet 08:06 - Sep 9 with 3236 views | DJR |
An article in today's Guardian alerted me to the fact that the club has a sponsorship deal with the unlicensed overseas betting company, 8xBet.
https://www.theguardian.com/fo
It is listed on the club's website as one of its global partners.
https://www.itfc.co.uk/commerc
The question for me is why on earth do we have anything to do with a betting company, let alone an unlicensed one?
Are we really that desperate for money? And where is the due diligence?
[Post edited 9 Sep 8:09]
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| 8xBet on 08:38 - Sep 9 | Hciwspi |
Who cares if they’re paying us a decent wedge.
So long as it’s not anywhere on the shirts. |  | | |
| 8xBet on 08:40 - Sep 9 | EJP |
If I'm right in thinking, it's for the Asian betting market only,. Legally 8xBet cannot offer services to a UK based customer.
The deals pay well for the club, and is intended for international broadcasts as advertising.
Edit: The above is for reference, personally I'd rather the club had zero gambling affiliations. [Post edited 9 Sep 8:58]
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| 8xBet on 08:49 - Sep 9 | homer_123 |
| 8xBet on 08:38 - Sep 9 by Hciwspi |
Who cares if they’re paying us a decent wedge.
So long as it’s not anywhere on the shirts. |
Depends how ethical we wish to be. |  |
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| 8xBet on 08:51 - Sep 9 | LandOfMickyStockwell |
Key fact: The gambling business Entain (Ladbrokes, Coral, BetMGM) are the ones calling on Premier League clubs to end their affiliation with unlicensed gambling operators. A vested interest.
The situation is similar with other clubs having betting partners that are not allowed to operate in the UK. I think it's part of the Premier League being an international market. Unlicensed in the UK doesn't mean that there's no sponsorship interest.
Everton is a good example with Stake, who are also not licensed in the UK. The ban on betting companies on shirts only applies to the front, so Stake goes on their sleeve. Then there's the different question as to whether "CMC Markets" is a form of betting on CFDs. So long as revenue drives SCR, and in turn success, then clubs will snap up deals to survive.
I'm glad Ipswich has decent shirt sponsors and the likes of 8xBet are relegated to less prominent positions (while taking their money). |  | | |
| 8xBet on 08:52 - Sep 9 | Steve_M |
Yes, it's one we keep trying to ignore.
Whilst there might be money to be made, I would much rather the club had no association with any institutions - or politician - of such dubious probity and moral worth.
And yes, I know being in the top divisions of professional football, let alone the Premier League, means compromising with morals and ideals but gambling destroys lives and unregulated gambling lacks even the pretence of standards that exist with regulation. |  |
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| 8xBet on 09:20 - Sep 9 | Mark |
I think the gambling advertising is one of the worst things about the modern game. We are watching matches in front of LED boards encouraging fans, often young, impressionable people, to go to casino betting websites/apps. That may be the start of a process of addiction causing huge harm to them and their families, and may lead to suicide in the worst cases. |  | | |
| 8xBet on 09:21 - Sep 9 | DJR |
| 8xBet on 08:40 - Sep 9 by EJP |
If I'm right in thinking, it's for the Asian betting market only,. Legally 8xBet cannot offer services to a UK based customer.
The deals pay well for the club, and is intended for international broadcasts as advertising.
Edit: The above is for reference, personally I'd rather the club had zero gambling affiliations. [Post edited 9 Sep 8:58]
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According to the Guardian article, anyone with a VPN can open an account and place a bet. | | | |
| 8xBet on 09:30 - Sep 9 | suffolkpoker |
| 8xBet on 09:21 - Sep 9 by DJR |
According to the Guardian article, anyone with a VPN can open an account and place a bet. |
I recall the club being partnerd with a VPN site. |  |
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| 8xBet on 09:31 - Sep 9 | ITFCson |
Not sure there is any ethical betting companies out there. However 8xBet is likely more ethical than the complete crooks that operate the main licensed sites such as Ladbrokes, Hills and BetMgm which are all scum bags. |  | | |
| 8xBet on 09:31 - Sep 9 | Pinewoodblue |
We had the same discussion two years ago. |  |
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| 8xBet on 10:15 - Sep 9 | DJR |
I must admit that passed me by. | | | |
| 8xBet on 10:20 - Sep 9 | thebeat |
Really don't see the issue if it's making the club money. There's a massive over reaction to betting. Nobody makes anybody bet. I like a bet, but i know my limits, as do many other people.
I was raised by a Dad who never had a bet and always told me betting was a mugs game. But i still like bet. I made my own mind up when i was an adult.
Just because youngsters see betting adverts doesn't mean they will become addicted to betting. | | | |
| 8xBet on 10:21 - Sep 9 | DanTheMan |
| 8xBet on 09:31 - Sep 9 by ITFCson |
Not sure there is any ethical betting companies out there. However 8xBet is likely more ethical than the complete crooks that operate the main licensed sites such as Ladbrokes, Hills and BetMgm which are all scum bags. |
https://www.journalismfund.eu/
I wouldn't be so sure about that... |  |
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| 8xBet on 10:22 - Sep 9 | itfc_bucks |
| 8xBet on 08:38 - Sep 9 by Hciwspi |
Who cares if they’re paying us a decent wedge.
So long as it’s not anywhere on the shirts. |
Quite enjoyed the Magical Vegas days... | |
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| 8xBet on 10:47 - Sep 9 | homer_123 |
| 8xBet on 10:20 - Sep 9 by thebeat |
Really don't see the issue if it's making the club money. There's a massive over reaction to betting. Nobody makes anybody bet. I like a bet, but i know my limits, as do many other people.
I was raised by a Dad who never had a bet and always told me betting was a mugs game. But i still like bet. I made my own mind up when i was an adult.
Just because youngsters see betting adverts doesn't mean they will become addicted to betting. |
Those smoking adverts never, ever, encouraged anyone to smoke. | |
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| 8xBet on 10:47 - Sep 9 | DJR |
| 8xBet on 10:20 - Sep 9 by thebeat |
Really don't see the issue if it's making the club money. There's a massive over reaction to betting. Nobody makes anybody bet. I like a bet, but i know my limits, as do many other people.
I was raised by a Dad who never had a bet and always told me betting was a mugs game. But i still like bet. I made my own mind up when i was an adult.
Just because youngsters see betting adverts doesn't mean they will become addicted to betting. |
https://www.psychologytoday.co | | | |
| 8xBet on 10:55 - Sep 9 | bracknell_blue |
Probably have links to Farage through his dodgy finance guy |  |
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| 8xBet on 12:00 - Sep 9 | Steve_M |
I forgot that Illy made the point repeatedly that, if the club aren't a bit ashamed about this, why was there no announcement or press release? | |
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| 8xBet on 13:46 - Sep 9 | ITFCson |
I was more referring to the way they treat customers. But yeah if that article is accurate then that’s not good. Although I’d expect clubs like Man City and ourselves to do some due diligence before partnering up with them. | | | |
| 8xBet on 14:44 - Sep 9 | J2BLUE |
8xBet was on the advertising boards during the Liverpool game so definitely still an active link.
I think the parent company has links to far more clubs than just those listed. |  | | |
| 8xBet on 19:56 - Sep 9 | SitfcB |
| 8xBet on 14:44 - Sep 9 by J2BLUE |
8xBet was on the advertising boards during the Liverpool game so definitely still an active link.
I think the parent company has links to far more clubs than just those listed. |
Yep, also on the boards behind the players/GON for pressers. |  |
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| 8xBet on 20:05 - Sep 9 | stonojnr |
| 8xBet on 10:47 - Sep 9 by homer_123 |
Those smoking adverts never, ever, encouraged anyone to smoke. |
do car adverts encourage you to drive ? | | | |
| 8xBet on 07:06 - Sep 11 | Mark |
| 8xBet on 14:44 - Sep 9 by J2BLUE |
8xBet was on the advertising boards during the Liverpool game so definitely still an active link.
I think the parent company has links to far more clubs than just those listed. |
There was also a presentation on the pitch about the Samaritans and something about how the Premier League apparently looks after fans. It did make me wonder how much of the Samaritans' work is caused by gambling addiction. [Post edited 11 Sep 7:46]
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| 8xBet on 09:54 - Sep 11 | Rimsy |
Don't see the problem, as long as the logo is OK. The 8x logo is one of the better ones and unobtrusive, unlike the Magical Vegas one. |  |
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