| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran 19:13 - Oct 19 with 2469 views | Dubtractor |
I'll never fully forgive him for 'that' incident, but this is a huge tick in the plus column from him, using his position and connections to deliver genuine good for disadvantaged young people in Suffolk.
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 19:21 - Oct 19 | BanksterDebtSlave |
Ashton on an expenses paid trip to New York to coat tail on a private Sheeran gig!! Genius! |  |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 19:24 - Oct 19 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Good to see.
No doubt some people with still have a problem with this! |  |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 19:25 - Oct 19 | Nthsuffolkblue |
There is no denying that Ashton has done a magnificent job for the club. He made a massive faux pas and I wish he had admitted his error and issued a sincere apology but that hasn't happened.
I am with you, Dubs. I do wish the club hierarchy would reinstate a Chairman with experience, though, because that incident was not entirely in isolation and I fear that a lack of accountability will prove far more harmful at some point. |  |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 19:31 - Oct 19 | armchaircritic59 |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 19:24 - Oct 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Good to see.
No doubt some people with still have a problem with this! |
Oh yea, I would not like to get on the wrong side of the few " perfect Jimmy's " in here. Probably wouldn't forgive you for 10 years if you as much as sneezed in their direction. |  | | |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 20:45 - Oct 19 | Libero |
The fact that I don't know which one you're talking about when you say "that incident" is relatively amusing/depressing.
Thank Christ Matt Holland is sound. |  | | |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 04:23 - Oct 20 | Illinoisblue |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 20:45 - Oct 19 by Libero |
The fact that I don't know which one you're talking about when you say "that incident" is relatively amusing/depressing.
Thank Christ Matt Holland is sound. |
Apart from the Farage debacle what other incidents of significance have there been? |  |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 06:58 - Oct 20 | Benters |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 20:45 - Oct 19 by Libero |
The fact that I don't know which one you're talking about when you say "that incident" is relatively amusing/depressing.
Thank Christ Matt Holland is sound. |
Obsessed.
Ashton In! |  |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 07:04 - Oct 20 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 20:45 - Oct 19 by Libero |
The fact that I don't know which one you're talking about when you say "that incident" is relatively amusing/depressing.
Thank Christ Matt Holland is sound. |
You think Ed Sheeran's support act issues have something to do with ITFC?! |  |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 07:44 - Oct 20 | Mullet |
I guess you can take a swipe at him being in NYC hobnobbing but if it helps the youth of Suffolk then so what?
It’s nice to see him doing something genuine and human and I hope it has a big impact. |  |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 07:57 - Oct 20 | Bluemike31 |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 07:44 - Oct 20 by Mullet |
I guess you can take a swipe at him being in NYC hobnobbing but if it helps the youth of Suffolk then so what?
It’s nice to see him doing something genuine and human and I hope it has a big impact. |
Some idiots will take a swipe at anything. |  | | |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 08:00 - Oct 20 | Zx1988 |
I'll admit that I do have some concerns about the Lentonbrook Foundation, given that we already have the ITFC Foundation, which has substantially overlapping aims.
What strikes me the most, is that Lentonbrook's current focus on disadvantaged young people in Suffolk is merely a funding preference, rather than a binding charitable objective. The Charity Commission records LF's charitable objects as:
"[...]to advance such charitable purposes (according to the Law of England and Wales) as the trustees see fit from time to time."
Whilst the current funding preference (Clause 2.2 of the Grant-Making Policy) is to help disadvantaged young people in Suffolk, later clauses make the provision for any and all other aims to receive funding, and for the Trustees to vary these priorities. There is nothing that obliges the charity to retain any connection with Suffolk whatsoever.
Without out a doubt, it's a tremendous achievement to have raised $1m through the NYC event; I just wonder if the same objectives (raising money to help disadvantaged young people in Suffolk) could not be equally achieved by taking Holland and Sheeran abroad in the name of the ITFC Foundation? [Post edited 20 Oct 8:21]
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 08:17 - Oct 20 | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 08:00 - Oct 20 by Zx1988 |
I'll admit that I do have some concerns about the Lentonbrook Foundation, given that we already have the ITFC Foundation, which has substantially overlapping aims.
What strikes me the most, is that Lentonbrook's current focus on disadvantaged young people in Suffolk is merely a funding preference, rather than a binding charitable objective. The Charity Commission records LF's charitable objects as:
"[...]to advance such charitable purposes (according to the Law of England and Wales) as the trustees see fit from time to time."
Whilst the current funding preference (Clause 2.2 of the Grant-Making Policy) is to help disadvantaged young people in Suffolk, later clauses make the provision for any and all other aims to receive funding, and for the Trustees to vary these priorities. There is nothing that obliges the charity to retain any connection with Suffolk whatsoever.
Without out a doubt, it's a tremendous achievement to have raised $1m through the NYC event; I just wonder if the same objectives (raising money to help disadvantaged young people in Suffolk) could not be equally achieved by taking Holland and Sheeran abroad in the name of the ITFC Foundation? [Post edited 20 Oct 8:21]
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Is the second paragraph about the ITFC foundation or Lentonbrook? | |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 08:20 - Oct 20 | Zx1988 |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 08:17 - Oct 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is the second paragraph about the ITFC foundation or Lentonbrook? |
Good point! Lentonbrook - will amend. | |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 09:35 - Oct 20 | Billywitch |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 19:21 - Oct 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Ashton on an expenses paid trip to New York to coat tail on a private Sheeran gig!! Genius! |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 09:37 - Oct 20 | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 09:35 - Oct 20 by Billywitch |
awwww diddum's |
Valuable input. | |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 09:38 - Oct 20 | Billywitch |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 20:45 - Oct 19 by Libero |
The fact that I don't know which one you're talking about when you say "that incident" is relatively amusing/depressing.
Thank Christ Matt Holland is sound. |
Must hurt seeing Matt Holland with those two though. He's clearly happy to be sat by their side, does that put a stain against him, for you? | | | |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 09:52 - Oct 20 | Libero |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 09:38 - Oct 20 by Billywitch |
Must hurt seeing Matt Holland with those two though. He's clearly happy to be sat by their side, does that put a stain against him, for you? |
What an odd thing to say - no of course not. People are entitled to their own opinions and personal experiences- both hold important roles with the club, even if I think they’re a couple of tools.
to your point broadly, we all have to deal with w*nkers at work, but Matt is such a top bloke and professional, I’m sure he sees nothing but positive in both chaps. | | | |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 09:55 - Oct 20 | Libero |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 08:00 - Oct 20 by Zx1988 |
I'll admit that I do have some concerns about the Lentonbrook Foundation, given that we already have the ITFC Foundation, which has substantially overlapping aims.
What strikes me the most, is that Lentonbrook's current focus on disadvantaged young people in Suffolk is merely a funding preference, rather than a binding charitable objective. The Charity Commission records LF's charitable objects as:
"[...]to advance such charitable purposes (according to the Law of England and Wales) as the trustees see fit from time to time."
Whilst the current funding preference (Clause 2.2 of the Grant-Making Policy) is to help disadvantaged young people in Suffolk, later clauses make the provision for any and all other aims to receive funding, and for the Trustees to vary these priorities. There is nothing that obliges the charity to retain any connection with Suffolk whatsoever.
Without out a doubt, it's a tremendous achievement to have raised $1m through the NYC event; I just wonder if the same objectives (raising money to help disadvantaged young people in Suffolk) could not be equally achieved by taking Holland and Sheeran abroad in the name of the ITFC Foundation? [Post edited 20 Oct 8:21]
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Very well articulated - I also wondered why this couldn’t all be done via the foundation, of course cynically I felt that wouldn’t give certain characters the spotlight they want- but obviously I’m somewhat bias. | | | |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 10:05 - Oct 20 | farkenhell |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 08:00 - Oct 20 by Zx1988 |
I'll admit that I do have some concerns about the Lentonbrook Foundation, given that we already have the ITFC Foundation, which has substantially overlapping aims.
What strikes me the most, is that Lentonbrook's current focus on disadvantaged young people in Suffolk is merely a funding preference, rather than a binding charitable objective. The Charity Commission records LF's charitable objects as:
"[...]to advance such charitable purposes (according to the Law of England and Wales) as the trustees see fit from time to time."
Whilst the current funding preference (Clause 2.2 of the Grant-Making Policy) is to help disadvantaged young people in Suffolk, later clauses make the provision for any and all other aims to receive funding, and for the Trustees to vary these priorities. There is nothing that obliges the charity to retain any connection with Suffolk whatsoever.
Without out a doubt, it's a tremendous achievement to have raised $1m through the NYC event; I just wonder if the same objectives (raising money to help disadvantaged young people in Suffolk) could not be equally achieved by taking Holland and Sheeran abroad in the name of the ITFC Foundation? [Post edited 20 Oct 8:21]
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I'm far from an expert in such matters, but are the ITFC Foundation's charitable objects drafted any differently? I do know that discretionary trusts in a will, for example, are deliberately drafted widely to avoid the opposite scenario, where the trustees may want to do something in the future, but find that they are inadvertently and unintentionally bound by the terms of a restricted trust. | | | |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 10:38 - Oct 20 | Reuser_is_God |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 09:55 - Oct 20 by Libero |
Very well articulated - I also wondered why this couldn’t all be done via the foundation, of course cynically I felt that wouldn’t give certain characters the spotlight they want- but obviously I’m somewhat bias. |
There will be a fans forum in the not too distant future, perhaps go along to that & ask the question? |  |
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| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 13:21 - Oct 20 | Libero |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 10:38 - Oct 20 by Reuser_is_God |
There will be a fans forum in the not too distant future, perhaps go along to that & ask the question? |
Technically it’s adjacent to ITFC, isn’t it? I had considered starting to go to those events though, if work so allows - will be nice to hear the groans in person. xoxo | | | |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 14:06 - Oct 20 | Zx1988 |
| This is excellent from Ashton and Sheeran on 10:05 - Oct 20 by farkenhell |
I'm far from an expert in such matters, but are the ITFC Foundation's charitable objects drafted any differently? I do know that discretionary trusts in a will, for example, are deliberately drafted widely to avoid the opposite scenario, where the trustees may want to do something in the future, but find that they are inadvertently and unintentionally bound by the terms of a restricted trust. |
That's a fair point, and I've had a look at the ITFC Foundation's registered charitable objects for comparison.
Interestingly, they're also very broadly drafted, although rather more detailed than Lentonbrook's. They contain specific provisions relating to education, recreation, social inclusion, supporting young people, and benefiting the inhabitants of Suffolk and surrounding areas.
However, the final objective (Clause 3.1.7) states:
"To promote any other purpose which is charitable according to English law."
So, whilst the ITFC Foundation's objects expressly identify Suffolk and various charitable purposes, they also contain a fairly comprehensive catch-all provision. Indeed, the introductory wording refers to benefiting the public generally, and Suffolk residents in particular, rather than exclusively.
I take your point about the desirability of flexibility, and I don't think there's necessarily anything objectionable about Lentonbrook's objects being drafted so widely.
What I find rather more interesting, though, is that the ITFC Foundation's existing objects appear sufficiently broad to accommodate pretty much everything Lentonbrook is currently seeking to achieve, including making grants to other charitable organisations.
That rather brings me back to my original question. If the ITFC Foundation already has the legal capacity to undertake these activities, and already has an established infrastructure, reputation and fundraising network, what is the particular advantage of establishing an entirely separate charity with substantially overlapping purposes?
In particular, I'm certainly a little discomfited about a Trustee of the ITFC Foundation setting up his own Charitable Foundation that seems to overlap almost entirely with the ITFC Foundation, and then using another Trustee of the ITFC Foundation to help raise money for his own Foundation. The whole setup has the potential to cause massive conflicts of loyalty/interest. | |
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