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I have said this before, but Zian Fleming who cost us £20mil, even as a bench striker offers us as much as just being able to run around a bit when he comes on. One goal from open play (so as many as Akpom). Not many words of criticism but if this was one of the maligned "League One boys" he'd be gettering pelters for what he's offering us when he comes on.
He's this seasons Sam S in the sense he had one good season (granted in the top flight) and now looks every bit a Championship player out there with the occasional neater touch. He looks no better than Hirst did for us in 24/25 and that might upset a few, but he really isn't looking worth what we spent on him at all.
The problem is Emersonn also isn't looking like a Premier League player either yet, and there lies the overall problem we have, we simply still don't have enough Premier League level players to stay up comfortably.
He's averaging a goal per 85 minutes of football to be fair to him. I do think its incredibly difficult to come on in games at this level and get up to the speed, its a bit of a thankless task.
He can't contribute from the bench, and strikers need to play themselves in to form. Give him a run of starts.
As for staying up comfortably, you would have to be naïve to think that was ever the expectation. Promoted clubs doing that are very much the exception rather than norm.
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All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:27 - Nov 9
He really is our Ogbene signing part 2. He might have been OK just if we were in the champ but he is miles off at this level. He has no attributes that align with a player at this level, what does he even do ha
Who is going to sign him after us for 20 m + wages if we stay up or down.
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All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:33 - Nov 9
most concerning is he was 30yards out yesterday (when he got fouled) and he was lining up a shot instead of threading in whoever it was we had in the attacking right position at the time
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All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:35 - Nov 9
Incredibly harsh. He's not had one single start in the league.
I think he does what you'd generally expect when he comes on. He runs around, wins flick ons, he won us the late free kick yesterday after bursting forward and had he not been fouled he might have had a shot or assisted a chance.
He's not there to play pretty football. He and Akpom are there to cause a bit of havoc. They just need more time to do it, Flemming especially.
Has it in his locker to score from edge of area to be fair. Do think he needs a start and to be fed more crosses, as seen with his aerial ability. Coming off the bench, at this level, chasing a game is a tough ask, fully get the frustration though. I was shouting for us to sign him all summer as thought he’d fit the bill, just think GON needs to start him a few games now and instruct our wide players to get balls into the box for him.
All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:35 - Nov 9 by Garv
Incredibly harsh. He's not had one single start in the league.
I think he does what you'd generally expect when he comes on. He runs around, wins flick ons, he won us the late free kick yesterday after bursting forward and had he not been fouled he might have had a shot or assisted a chance.
He's not there to play pretty football. He and Akpom are there to cause a bit of havoc. They just need more time to do it, Flemming especially.
Agreed. I don't think it is fair to judge players based on their expectations of coming on from the bench consistently.
Personally, I don't think he has added much in those situations but I would certainly like to see him given a start. He didn't fluke 11 goals in a poor Burnley side.
Give him a few games as the starter and then judge him.
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All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:47 - Nov 9
All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:35 - Nov 9 by Garv
Incredibly harsh. He's not had one single start in the league.
I think he does what you'd generally expect when he comes on. He runs around, wins flick ons, he won us the late free kick yesterday after bursting forward and had he not been fouled he might have had a shot or assisted a chance.
He's not there to play pretty football. He and Akpom are there to cause a bit of havoc. They just need more time to do it, Flemming especially.
"He's not there to play pretty football"
I'm not familiar with his game, can he play pretty football? I'm guess he can as played in a Burnley team that played some nice stuff.
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All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:50 - Nov 9
The issue that he, Emersonn and Akpom have is that their job is not to be the primary goalscorer. That role belongs to the array of talent notionally playing behind them.
For the concept of a "traditional" Centre Forward*, they get relatively few clear chances. Our crossing is often cut out by defenders or caught by the 'keeper. Most of Town's joy comes from more central shots, taken from further out.
Their job is to work, to occupy, to press - and frequently to get back in defence. They can't afford to be goal-hangers. They're having to race fast-breaking attacks from deep even to get into the opposition box, trying to outpace Enciso, Davis, Fatawu or Maeda, not to mention athletic Prem defenders.
It's an insoluable technical problem, how to have enough bodies at the back and sufficient targets in the box. It's trying to compensate for a slightly inferior squad with sheer athleticism. Fortunately, our array of "second rank" forwards and FBs can and do score the goals. But it won't always come off.
* Tho even the likes of Mariner did as much assisting as scoring.
All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:59 - Nov 9 by Guthrum
The issue that he, Emersonn and Akpom have is that their job is not to be the primary goalscorer. That role belongs to the array of talent notionally playing behind them.
For the concept of a "traditional" Centre Forward*, they get relatively few clear chances. Our crossing is often cut out by defenders or caught by the 'keeper. Most of Town's joy comes from more central shots, taken from further out.
Their job is to work, to occupy, to press - and frequently to get back in defence. They can't afford to be goal-hangers. They're having to race fast-breaking attacks from deep even to get into the opposition box, trying to outpace Enciso, Davis, Fatawu or Maeda, not to mention athletic Prem defenders.
It's an insoluable technical problem, how to have enough bodies at the back and sufficient targets in the box. It's trying to compensate for a slightly inferior squad with sheer athleticism. Fortunately, our array of "second rank" forwards and FBs can and do score the goals. But it won't always come off.
* Tho even the likes of Mariner did as much assisting as scoring.
Second to last paragraph. Agree Guthers. Important to understand that whilst goals are important - it's only part of a mux wider requirement from that lone striking lone.
All the criticism of Walton and co. on 11:01 - Nov 9 by TIB
Beat me to it, stats don’t lie.
Give him a start and instruct one of the wide players to get balls in earlier for him.
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I will make a mental note from the football experts on here that Flemming is our data driven best #9 and when he starts games he will score goals if he is provided assists.
What, like the one he got put on his head yesterday and directed it well wide.
Let's hope so.
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All the criticism of Walton and co. on 12:34 - Nov 9
All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:35 - Nov 9 by Garv
Incredibly harsh. He's not had one single start in the league.
I think he does what you'd generally expect when he comes on. He runs around, wins flick ons, he won us the late free kick yesterday after bursting forward and had he not been fouled he might have had a shot or assisted a chance.
He's not there to play pretty football. He and Akpom are there to cause a bit of havoc. They just need more time to do it, Flemming especially.
He doesn't deserve a start though, does he? I doubt he'd be scoring any more if he started. He runs around, and is big. Creates nothing on his own, his old up play isn't even at a Premier League standard. Akpom is better at creating havoc than he is too.
He's just not a very good signing for us. People singling out Walton, Davis, O'Shea and co for clangers, but this guy comes on and literally does nothing of note to change the game in our favour and gets a free pass because he's a new signing with a biggish price tag. As I said, if Hirst was doing just that this season, the boo boys would be all over him for it.
All the criticism of Walton and co. on 12:34 - Nov 9 by ITFC_Essex
He doesn't deserve a start though, does he? I doubt he'd be scoring any more if he started. He runs around, and is big. Creates nothing on his own, his old up play isn't even at a Premier League standard. Akpom is better at creating havoc than he is too.
He's just not a very good signing for us. People singling out Walton, Davis, O'Shea and co for clangers, but this guy comes on and literally does nothing of note to change the game in our favour and gets a free pass because he's a new signing with a biggish price tag. As I said, if Hirst was doing just that this season, the boo boys would be all over him for it.
How much positive impact has Emersonn had on games recently? Hard to say he’s worthy of being a starter.
All the criticism of Walton and co. on 12:34 - Nov 9 by ITFC_Essex
He doesn't deserve a start though, does he? I doubt he'd be scoring any more if he started. He runs around, and is big. Creates nothing on his own, his old up play isn't even at a Premier League standard. Akpom is better at creating havoc than he is too.
He's just not a very good signing for us. People singling out Walton, Davis, O'Shea and co for clangers, but this guy comes on and literally does nothing of note to change the game in our favour and gets a free pass because he's a new signing with a biggish price tag. As I said, if Hirst was doing just that this season, the boo boys would be all over him for it.
Once he plays he will score is the theory here.
He would not get a start for a top end championship side never mind a PL side based on current viewing NOT stats.
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All the criticism of Walton and co. on 12:38 - Nov 9
All the criticism of Walton and co. on 12:34 - Nov 9 by ITFC_Essex
He doesn't deserve a start though, does he? I doubt he'd be scoring any more if he started. He runs around, and is big. Creates nothing on his own, his old up play isn't even at a Premier League standard. Akpom is better at creating havoc than he is too.
He's just not a very good signing for us. People singling out Walton, Davis, O'Shea and co for clangers, but this guy comes on and literally does nothing of note to change the game in our favour and gets a free pass because he's a new signing with a biggish price tag. As I said, if Hirst was doing just that this season, the boo boys would be all over him for it.
"I doubt he'd be scoring any more if he started."
That theory sort of needs to be tested doesn't it? Particularly while our starting striker isn't scoring.
If Enciso had scored the free kick at the end yesterday, would you have given Flemming any credit for winning the free kick?
All the criticism of Walton and co. on 10:27 - Nov 9 by WolfieAtTheBack
He really is our Ogbene signing part 2. He might have been OK just if we were in the champ but he is miles off at this level. He has no attributes that align with a player at this level, what does he even do ha
Who is going to sign him after us for 20 m + wages if we stay up or down.
To all the down votes
In his 8 apps he has touched the ball 7 times in the opposition box.
He has 0.03% expected assists and a pass rate of 59%,
These are not good metrics for a league footballer never mind a premier league footballer of which some of you suggest he should start games against the likes of Spurs, Villa and so on.
We would get smashed to bits like last time if we start giving chances to players who are not even close to the standard required.
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All the criticism of Walton and co. on 13:01 - Nov 9
I imagine he’s the kind of player who likes to start and to get into a game. So harsh to judge him in what has been a sporadic sub.
27mins at palace was really good and scored 19mins against Fulham when we scored two goals for the win 9 mins Everton and was strong and disrupted them 12 mins at City and drive our rally ans scored 30mins in the draw with Forest was Ok
Yes last two games less effective but very very hard to come in and try and get joy against hull and the cherries
I’m really struggling with this Flemming criticism on 13:16 - Nov 9 by unstableblue
I imagine he’s the kind of player who likes to start and to get into a game. So harsh to judge him in what has been a sporadic sub.
27mins at palace was really good and scored 19mins against Fulham when we scored two goals for the win 9 mins Everton and was strong and disrupted them 12 mins at City and drive our rally ans scored 30mins in the draw with Forest was Ok
Yes last two games less effective but very very hard to come in and try and get joy against hull and the cherries
Give him a break
Its so difficult to come in out of the cold on 65 / 70 minutes and be up to the speed of the game as a #9, especially against the quality of defenders he's up against. He's not a chalk on his boots winger who can knock it and run and benefit from fresh legs against a tiring full back. His touch has to be bang on, reading of the game, linking up play. Its hard enough at the best of times but the intensity jump off the bench physically is real, let alone the mental side.
Despite that he has made an impact as you say, he was effective at Everton too with 10 men, very nearly snatched us a point.
I thought he should've started against Forest and Hull tbh with his physicality, ironically Spurs is one where I'd probably favour Emersonn on the transition.
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