| In praise of Keir Starmer 14:45 - Jun 3 with 2117 views | Mullet |
While he’s been a disappointment at times, a quiet man too, this is when he’s at his strongest perhaps.
Much like with Trump, he won’t get the credit or praise he deserves for this, but it’s one area he’s consistently excellent in. |  |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 14:58 - Jun 3 with 2019 views | DJR |
Sadly, it won't cut through.
Farage has got his "two-tier policing" soundbite in the Commons, and on social media and GB News that is all that will be shown to those who are supporters or likely supporters of his. |  | | |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 15:00 - Jun 3 with 1991 views | positivity |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 14:58 - Jun 3 by DJR |
Sadly, it won't cut through.
Farage has got his "two-tier policing" soundbite in the Commons, and on social media and GB News that is all that will be shown to those who are supporters or likely supporters of his. |
doesn't mean he shouldn't try though, say it loud, say it often |  |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 15:01 - Jun 3 with 1983 views | DJR |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 15:00 - Jun 3 by positivity |
doesn't mean he shouldn't try though, say it loud, say it often |
Absolutely. He was very impressive.
Indeed, since McSweeney resigned I sense we are seeing more of what Starmer actually feels on issues such as this, when before it seemed to be policy to keep his head down so as to not alienate Reform voters. [Post edited 3 Jun 15:04]
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 16:13 - Jun 3 with 1783 views | homer_123 |
A very good response. You can see Farage squirming for all he's worth. |  |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 16:21 - Jun 3 with 1732 views | jaykay |
good speech. what dipsh1t farage is ,after the boys parents asked for no political stance on their sons death ,what does he do ? as for the crowds march on the murderers house what does that gain. |  |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 16:27 - Jun 3 with 1699 views | DJR |
Switching subjects slightly, the latest edition of Private Eye has a great cover featuring Farage and the plumber candidate.
https://www.facebook.com/Priva
What's your call-out fee?
Five million quid. [Post edited 3 Jun 16:31]
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 16:39 - Jun 3 with 1628 views | hype313 |
As you say, he's great in these attack lines, always got through when in opposition.
Shame he can't govern though. |  |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 16:44 - Jun 3 with 1591 views | Mullet |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 16:13 - Jun 3 by homer_123 |
A very good response. You can see Farage squirming for all he's worth. |
A shame he is in Parliament and not the High Court. | |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 16:52 - Jun 3 with 1548 views | Mullet |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 14:58 - Jun 3 by DJR |
Sadly, it won't cut through.
Farage has got his "two-tier policing" soundbite in the Commons, and on social media and GB News that is all that will be shown to those who are supporters or likely supporters of his. |
I don't know about that. Like MAGA there are cultists and scum wedded to whatever he says and he's followed that model at the behest of his paymasters.
However, as with the cowards who support him amongst us, that attitude of victimhood and injustice at everything just doesn't cut it with most people. It's very unBritish and ironically unpatriotic.
I wonder if the man owned by Thai and Russian money might have flown too close to the sun this time? It's high time we saw him finally crash and burn. Even Dubai Dicky could only sit there and look indignant. | |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 17:11 - Jun 3 with 1459 views | eireblue |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 16:52 - Jun 3 by Mullet |
I don't know about that. Like MAGA there are cultists and scum wedded to whatever he says and he's followed that model at the behest of his paymasters.
However, as with the cowards who support him amongst us, that attitude of victimhood and injustice at everything just doesn't cut it with most people. It's very unBritish and ironically unpatriotic.
I wonder if the man owned by Thai and Russian money might have flown too close to the sun this time? It's high time we saw him finally crash and burn. Even Dubai Dicky could only sit there and look indignant. |
I do wonder if they will start to get squeezed just a little bit.
The people that turn up for a bit of rioting, will probably vote Restore, but Farage will still be associated with such violence and his calls for rage, so maybe some people will drift away from Reform. |  | | |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 17:21 - Jun 3 with 1424 views | Nutkins_Return |
A fantastic response to be fair. Not a single reform person will watch or listen to this so as someone else said unfortunately all they will go away with his Farage's soundbite and stoked up racial hatred. | |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 17:52 - Jun 3 with 1314 views | BlueBadger |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 17:21 - Jun 3 by Nutkins_Return |
A fantastic response to be fair. Not a single reform person will watch or listen to this so as someone else said unfortunately all they will go away with his Farage's soundbite and stoked up racial hatred. |
Speaking of which, where ARE team Civilised Debate Please today? |  |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 17:55 - Jun 3 with 1298 views | DJR |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 16:52 - Jun 3 by Mullet |
I don't know about that. Like MAGA there are cultists and scum wedded to whatever he says and he's followed that model at the behest of his paymasters.
However, as with the cowards who support him amongst us, that attitude of victimhood and injustice at everything just doesn't cut it with most people. It's very unBritish and ironically unpatriotic.
I wonder if the man owned by Thai and Russian money might have flown too close to the sun this time? It's high time we saw him finally crash and burn. Even Dubai Dicky could only sit there and look indignant. |
I posted on another thread something about polling done by John Curtice that indicated that there was a ceiling to Reform support (maybe 30%) but that report also characterised Reform supporters as “deeply ideological” and possessing an emotional attachment to the party that other major parties have not inspired for decades. That seems very similar to Trump.
I suppose that what Farage is doing now is not dissimilar to what he did following the Southport killings, and that did his support no harm at all, so I am not sure it is going to blow up in his face.
Of course, I think it will all turn pear-shaped if they get to power, but sadly it will be too late by then. | | | |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 18:14 - Jun 3 with 1226 views | Whos_blue |
Not Starmer's greatest fan, but credit where it's due.
That was a withering take down of Farage.
I ask any Reform/Restore supporter here. Is this what you want or what you voted for?
Shamelessly disregarding the explicit wishes of the family not to use the death for political gain.
How does this make you feel?
Is he still welcome to park his car across your collective driveways?
Please just reflect on his disgusting behaviour and ask yourselves is this really the change you're seeking? [Post edited 3 Jun 18:21]
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 18:37 - Jun 3 with 1161 views | Mullet |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 17:11 - Jun 3 by eireblue |
I do wonder if they will start to get squeezed just a little bit.
The people that turn up for a bit of rioting, will probably vote Restore, but Farage will still be associated with such violence and his calls for rage, so maybe some people will drift away from Reform. |
I think there’s a lot riding on tomorrow’s Question Time. Kenyon is likely to be shredded on that, and Nigel is hiding behind some victimhood to dodge going on instead.
When Burnham wins Makerfield and possibly becomes PM it makes Reforms gimmick a lot harder too. Starmer isn’t an everyman so the con is still viable. Burnham doesn’t have that middle class sheen which Reform capitalise on. | |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 19:20 - Jun 3 with 1091 views | DJR |
The opening to the Cathy Newman show on Sky News had virtually the whole of the Farage question, and only a rather bland snippet of Starmer's response.
Later on, Jon Craig (the political correspondent) talked about it being a powerful riposte from Starmer but in terms of getting the message across and in a visual sense, Farage will be happy that Sky's coverage favoured him. [Post edited 3 Jun 19:21]
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 19:27 - Jun 3 with 1050 views | DJR |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 18:37 - Jun 3 by Mullet |
I think there’s a lot riding on tomorrow’s Question Time. Kenyon is likely to be shredded on that, and Nigel is hiding behind some victimhood to dodge going on instead.
When Burnham wins Makerfield and possibly becomes PM it makes Reforms gimmick a lot harder too. Starmer isn’t an everyman so the con is still viable. Burnham doesn’t have that middle class sheen which Reform capitalise on. |
I admire your optimism but sadly, a bad appearance on Question Time (which few probably watch) won't counter the weight of, say, the following current articles on Mailonline.
https://www.dailymail.com/news
https://www.dailymail.com/news
https://www.dailymail.com/deba
I think the only hope for Labour (and the country) is Burnham but he won't have an easy task by any means, and that is assuming he wins the by-election. [Post edited 3 Jun 19:31]
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 20:17 - Jun 3 with 931 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 19:27 - Jun 3 by DJR |
I admire your optimism but sadly, a bad appearance on Question Time (which few probably watch) won't counter the weight of, say, the following current articles on Mailonline.
https://www.dailymail.com/news
https://www.dailymail.com/news
https://www.dailymail.com/deba
I think the only hope for Labour (and the country) is Burnham but he won't have an easy task by any means, and that is assuming he wins the by-election. [Post edited 3 Jun 19:31]
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Never mind 2 tier policing, it's the 2 tier press we should be worried about. |  |
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| In praise of Keir Starmer on 23:07 - Jun 3 with 730 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I think Starmer is probably a decent man. I don’t like however that he’s deeply illiberal. Or at least his policies are. Lots of talk of the dangers of facism whilst he’s eroding our rights with locking up protestors, compulsory ID, and doing away with some jury trials. I don’t want us to give up our civil liberties for fear of what comes next - that’s exactly how oppressive regimes start. | | | |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 23:16 - Jun 3 with 703 views | ElderGrizzly |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 18:37 - Jun 3 by Mullet |
I think there’s a lot riding on tomorrow’s Question Time. Kenyon is likely to be shredded on that, and Nigel is hiding behind some victimhood to dodge going on instead.
When Burnham wins Makerfield and possibly becomes PM it makes Reforms gimmick a lot harder too. Starmer isn’t an everyman so the con is still viable. Burnham doesn’t have that middle class sheen which Reform capitalise on. |
It’s still the ridiculous that the privately educated city boy has hoodwinked so many as the “man of the people”
It really is the mirror image of Trump in the USA |  | | |
| In praise of Keir Starmer on 00:58 - Jun 4 with 471 views | Bugs |
You add that to what' on social media as well.
I clicked on a right-wing Facebook page (I think it was the Taxpayers' Alliance) a few weeks back and made a post with link to show thier post was a load of Boll0lcks. Since that day, the amount of fake news pages and outright outrage misinformation that has appeared on my timeline is bonkers.
The social media algorithms encourage misinformation and feed it to people; it feeds on their misplaced anger and encourages it. On those pages when you show them that they are getting angry about a lie, they don't care they have been lied to and fooled but will get angry at anyone pointing out they are being manipulated.
This newthump post tonight gives me hope however.
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