| World Cup Final - refereeing (again) 11:20 - Jul 20 with 1156 views | Radlett_blue |
An utterly horrible game to watch, a bit like when the Netherlands tried to kick Spain off the park in 2010. Again, it was a difficult game to control as the referee naturally felt pressure to try to keep 22 player on the pitch for most of the game. As with plenty of other games in this World Cup, the referee was very reluctant to give yellow cards early on, the Argies knew this so they continued with their persistent fouling. Football is one of the few sports where this, and "tactical fouling" are rational for players to do as they know that, at worst, they will get a yellow card. The only options seem to be either to referee games far more strictly (this will lead to multiple red cards, until players change behaviour) or introduce the "sin bin", so that games aren't ruined by an early red card. |  |
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| World Cup Final - refereeing (again) on 12:10 - Jul 20 | OldFart71 |
Whilst I would say that refereeing these games is no easy task just as England suffered from Argentinean's dark art so did Spain and if is up to referees to referee the game and stick to the rules. If it's a foul and deserves a yellow or red card then that is what should be issued. Some will say and in a way it's true, that 10 v 11 early in a game ruins the spectacle. Well Argentina managed that for the whole game. It was obvious in the England game they had been brought up to boiling point before the game and I suspect many of the England players although aware of the Falklands war did not see this as important as the Argies.
This constant fouling is nothing new. I remember a certain Pele getting kicked from pillar to post.
But it isn't just the fouling which involves chopping a player down or hanging on to a shirt it is the total lack of sportsmanship and win at any cost. |  | | |
| World Cup Final - refereeing (again) on 12:19 - Jul 20 | hadleighboyblue |
Yellow cards are not a big enough deterrent and have no effect on the game being played , so sin bins would offer more of a deterrent .
It works in rugby , so why not football where fouls are a lot more cynical .
It's time the authorities made more effort to cut out fouls and cheating . | | | |
| World Cup Final - refereeing (again) on 12:25 - Jul 20 | Edmundo |
| World Cup Final - refereeing (again) on 12:10 - Jul 20 by OldFart71 |
Whilst I would say that refereeing these games is no easy task just as England suffered from Argentinean's dark art so did Spain and if is up to referees to referee the game and stick to the rules. If it's a foul and deserves a yellow or red card then that is what should be issued. Some will say and in a way it's true, that 10 v 11 early in a game ruins the spectacle. Well Argentina managed that for the whole game. It was obvious in the England game they had been brought up to boiling point before the game and I suspect many of the England players although aware of the Falklands war did not see this as important as the Argies.
This constant fouling is nothing new. I remember a certain Pele getting kicked from pillar to post.
But it isn't just the fouling which involves chopping a player down or hanging on to a shirt it is the total lack of sportsmanship and win at any cost. |
There were so many horrible, unsportsmanlike moments from Argentina: fouls, feigning injury, trying to get Cucurella sent off for talking to Messi with his hand across the side of his face (not covering his mouth), then fighting at the end. And to top it all off, they refused to congratulate Spain, turning their backs on the trophy presentation.
The lack of class, integrity and any kind of fair play is incredible,
(Just watch Messi get the Ballon D'Or and a special fair play trophy later this year) |  |
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| World Cup Final - refereeing (again) on 12:53 - Jul 20 | jayessess |
Think you make a rod for your own back as a referee if you start with the idea that you don't want to issue yellow cards because it might result in a sending off.
First bad foul, no yellow, both teams know where the bar is so they continue doing bad fouls. They keep testing the boundaries of what you can do without sanction. They also get angry at each other. By the time you actually issue a yellow card it's often too late to get things back under control. |  |
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| World Cup Final - refereeing (again) on 13:10 - Jul 20 | stonojnr |
Thought the ref handled the game really well, we know Argentina are going to play like that and its fair to try to let things go if the rules are applied to both teams, he should have booked a few more of their players and prob Cucurella, but the foul that led to the red card was really only the dangerous one and the ref didnt hesitate to deal with it appropriately.
Would you rather have had the ref who sent Quansah off managing this game ? As I dont think with the attitude the Argentina players have to playing, changes when theyre booked or sent off | | | |
| World Cup Final - refereeing (again) on 13:11 - Jul 20 | jayessess |
| World Cup Final - refereeing (again) on 13:10 - Jul 20 by stonojnr |
Thought the ref handled the game really well, we know Argentina are going to play like that and its fair to try to let things go if the rules are applied to both teams, he should have booked a few more of their players and prob Cucurella, but the foul that led to the red card was really only the dangerous one and the ref didnt hesitate to deal with it appropriately.
Would you rather have had the ref who sent Quansah off managing this game ? As I dont think with the attitude the Argentina players have to playing, changes when theyre booked or sent off |
Don't think it's the referee's job to set the bar wherever is convenient for one team's game plan. | |
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