| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:32 - Mar 30 with 661 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:25 - Mar 30 by lazyblue |
Childish.
You know it’s all been over the top and look what he has done to our club since his arrival.
We had a visitor to the club so what!!! |
We have a CEO / Chairman who lies to fans and gaslights them.
Followed by a non apology.
If he had come out on Monday and admitted the mistake and issued a proper apology, I think we all would have moved on. |  |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:32 - Mar 30 with 655 views | Kievthegreat |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:26 - Mar 30 by football |
Appreciate downvotes but genuinely interested how the poster knows that plywra are divided, sponsors rent happy and how thia will reduce the value of future sponsors. The lies yes but lumping this all in without any ecvidence is not going to help.
It’s a good job twtd are not involved in the hiring and firing of anyone |
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/6
Also from Phil's story on the apology:
"Farage and Reform took part in a private tour of Portman Road on Monday with the club facilitating access for their social media team, angering fans, as well as players, sponsors - understood to include Halo, Ed Sheeran and the University of Suffolk - and club staff."
Also reported by the Guardian. [Post edited 30 Mar 12:36]
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:33 - Mar 30 with 639 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 11:43 - Mar 30 by MJallday |
You want to throw the chairman who has overseen what is arguably the greatest ressurrection the club has ever had - out over something that just doesnt agree with your personal voting and political preferences.
i believe in everyones right to think in what they want and believe in what they choose, but calling for someones job over this - is just bizarre behaviour to me - and i think a sense of proportionality is warranted. Nothing illegal has happened, you (and to be fair others) - just dont like it.
theres not a lot more else to be said tbh |
To be fair, GameChanger enabled all of that.
Fair play, Ashton chose KM before anyone else got in there, but the success is on the back of one season of over achievement. | |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:34 - Mar 30 with 638 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:29 - Mar 30 by victorysquad |
For a balanced post, you have to list out the things he has done well too. |
Do you think Szmodics should still be here because his footballing qualities balance out the non-footballing reasons that he has left the club?
It is you that seems to be on a different page to the club's policies. |  |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:35 - Mar 30 with 624 views | bluelagos |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:26 - Mar 30 by football |
Appreciate downvotes but genuinely interested how the poster knows that plywra are divided, sponsors rent happy and how thia will reduce the value of future sponsors. The lies yes but lumping this all in without any ecvidence is not going to help.
It’s a good job twtd are not involved in the hiring and firing of anyone |
Players being unhappy has been reported in the press.
Sponsors being unhappy, at least one poster reported as much after an email from a sponsor.
The reduction in value of future sponsorship can only be an informed opinion. I have worked for a companies in finance in roles closely associated with brands.
This has including brand profitability studies, brand valuations, brand investment (building), brand launches and sports sponsorships.
I have no doubt in my mind that any business will be less likely to sponsor us than would otherwise be the case after this week.
None at all. |  |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:36 - Mar 30 with 608 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:34 - Mar 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Do you think Szmodics should still be here because his footballing qualities balance out the non-footballing reasons that he has left the club?
It is you that seems to be on a different page to the club's policies. |
Szmodics is gone because his footballing qualities and what he brought to the team were no longer enough to outweigh the non-footballing downsides though, so this analogy doesn’t really work
See also Williams, Brandon |  |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:38 - Mar 30 with 582 views | MJallday |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:18 - Mar 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I want to throw the chairman who has overseen the greatest resurrection the club has had. Not because I disagree with Farage and everything he stands for politically.
I want to throw him out because he has acted very poorly in allying the club to a highly divisive political party. Although that alone, I could accept an apology for and him coming back from.
I want to throw him out because he lied about what happened. He has shown a lack of the integrity which is demanded at the heart of the resurrection the club has had.
I want to throw him out because he hasn't apologised for any of the above. A vague "we are sorry" without stating what for and containing "but there are a lot of mistruths out there" isn't an apology.
I want to throw him out because he has divided our supporter base and done nothing to repair that.
I want to throw him out because he has upset the playing staff with allowing the racist Farage access to all areas and then to use that access for his own political gain.
I want to throw him out because he has ploughed roughshod over the community work this club has done so well.
Sacking someone for breaking a code of conduct doesn't require them to have broken the law.
Can I ask, why are you happy for Ashton to be held to a lower standard of accountability than the players?
EDIT: I can see that while I typed this you admitted you hadn't seen that Ashton has lied about the situation. He lied to say Farage booked a tour only and that's all that happened and that the club made no approach to him. Reputable news outlets have evidence this isn't true and that there was a lot more that went on. He lied through the club when they released a statement saying the club was apolitical and the incident has been shown to be far more than simply hosting an individual (not even a local MP). His media team was clearly involved in taking footage. [Post edited 30 Mar 12:24]
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This response is as much as to you, as it is lagos (and im really keen to keep the debate civil!)
I think its important to say that I totally understand WHY people are upset.
Everyone has different political persuasions. That's what makes us not like north korea. I think we can all get along, even if we don't always agree.
Taking the emotion out of it, i think what has happened in reality is that a commercial opportunity has come along, the club have grabbed it as a chance to make some money - and lets face it - its spectacularly backfired. I think on that we can all agree.
what has then happened is what can only be described as a (comms) mess. Theres information coming out from a few places - who knew or didnt know whatever etc. - and then everyone has scrambled around until eventually we had MA looking at his shoes and saying sorry.
this is why i said i think the biggest issue (subsequent to the decision of who thought it was a good idea - because that bit is still unclear) is a lack of management of comms - and is possibly what has led to a divide in the fanbase but also misinformation and misattribution.
I think the lack of integrity point is pushing it a bit - im not sure if he was personally involved in the decision as to whether to allow this - but someone was. however, ulimately, he's responsible - part of being the CEO and being paid the big bucks. but is it something to fall on your sword about? for me - no.
has he lied? im not sure. the only formal comms ive seen is the video. Unless something else is attributable - then its all just noise and hearsay.
For you - he clearly hasnt apologised enough - and thats fine. For me, he's said sorry - and thats that - we move on. as ive said all along, it was hardly something illegal. if it was me, id have actually come out and said "so what, i quite like nigel" - but then again, im not the CEO - so my stance is - meh - just move on.
has he divided the supporter base ? - i think thats a temporary effect - id like to think whilst people have differing opinions on the rights and wrongs of this - ultimately we want whats best for the club - and again i think we can all agree on this point - this is unwelcome noise at an unfortunate time
your post seems to be more about "you dont like farage and he shouldnt be anywhere near our club" - again - its your right to believe in that. but i see that as a a strawman argument. i dont like joey barton, but he's been to portman road a damn site more times than farage - so i think your political bias is coming into play.
lets take it back to fact. has any law been broken? no.
i dont accept your point about the MA apology. i think he's over apologised - and in my opinion - unnecessarily so.
Has ashton split the fanbase? maybe? but its temporary - and i think everyone wants to get back to the business of acheiving promotion .
personally i believe getting rid of the person that has overseen much of that transition is foolhardy
id love to continue the debate - unfortuately i have to drive to tewkesbury now .
i want to conclude by saying i know there is strong feeling about this, but i hope my reply has been civil and fair and i really am happy to talk more .
my current feeling is that
* this is just noise
* its temporary
* no crime has been committed
* i think we should all move on. |  |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:38 - Mar 30 with 583 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:36 - Mar 30 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Szmodics is gone because his footballing qualities and what he brought to the team were no longer enough to outweigh the non-footballing downsides though, so this analogy doesn’t really work
See also Williams, Brandon |
McKenna stated that the reason why Szmodics left is non-footballing reasons. | |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:39 - Mar 30 with 570 views | baxterbasics |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:38 - Mar 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
McKenna stated that the reason why Szmodics left is non-footballing reasons. |
I've a feeling those reasons would have been less important if Smodz was banging in the goals. Which he wasn't, making it an easy decision. |  |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:42 - Mar 30 with 557 views | tonybied |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 11:43 - Mar 30 by MJallday |
You want to throw the chairman who has overseen what is arguably the greatest ressurrection the club has ever had - out over something that just doesnt agree with your personal voting and political preferences.
i believe in everyones right to think in what they want and believe in what they choose, but calling for someones job over this - is just bizarre behaviour to me - and i think a sense of proportionality is warranted. Nothing illegal has happened, you (and to be fair others) - just dont like it.
theres not a lot more else to be said tbh |
There's a lot more to be said, by the Club, and Asthon, for me to put this situation to bed.
As you state, everyone has the right to believe in what they choose. This is exactly the reason political party promotion should be absolutely nowhere near a football club. The division this has caused within the club is a sorry state of affairs. Divisive views over whether we should be playing Hirst/Azon or who is the best keeper on our books, is one thing, but welcoming a political party into the club (even ignoring how controversial Reform is) and letting them use the image of the club to create their own promotion material is just plain wrong, and it sits very uncomfortably with me. I would have exactly the same viewpoint regardless of what political party is involved.
Also, did your parents never insist that if you do something wrong and you make an apology, to whoever it affects you should make a proper, sincere apology that states what you are actually sorry for, and to own your own failings? At least that was how I was brought up, and my kids were. I saw none of that from Ashton.
For me, Aston should go. I'm definitely on the side of him being relieved of his duties. He has clearly not thought the consequences through properly, at any stage. If he'd come out with a meaningful apology at the very beginning, I would be much more inclined to accept it and move on. As it is, he has lied (or got the club to do that dirty work for him), let this snowball until he had lost total control, and then made a half-assed attempt to get on top of it with a statement that took absolutely no responsibility for his mistakes.
Our management should be setting examples to the club, the staff, the stakeholders, and the fans. Most people understand that others make mistakes, but those at the top should admit to their failings, be contrite when mistakes are made, and learn from those mistakes. If you don't, then you are clearly not the right person to lead a company that is striving to get to the top table, and feel the benefits of that!
To use his own words against him, "We have to be the best versions of ourselves"! [Post edited 30 Mar 12:52]
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:42 - Mar 30 with 556 views | ReusersTown |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:26 - Mar 30 by football |
Appreciate downvotes but genuinely interested how the poster knows that plywra are divided, sponsors rent happy and how thia will reduce the value of future sponsors. The lies yes but lumping this all in without any ecvidence is not going to help.
It’s a good job twtd are not involved in the hiring and firing of anyone |
How about the multitude reports from reliable reporting, and Ashton staying intentionally, deafening silent on these during his non apology? You don't think that points to the above being true? |  | | |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:44 - Mar 30 with 544 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:38 - Mar 30 by MJallday |
This response is as much as to you, as it is lagos (and im really keen to keep the debate civil!)
I think its important to say that I totally understand WHY people are upset.
Everyone has different political persuasions. That's what makes us not like north korea. I think we can all get along, even if we don't always agree.
Taking the emotion out of it, i think what has happened in reality is that a commercial opportunity has come along, the club have grabbed it as a chance to make some money - and lets face it - its spectacularly backfired. I think on that we can all agree.
what has then happened is what can only be described as a (comms) mess. Theres information coming out from a few places - who knew or didnt know whatever etc. - and then everyone has scrambled around until eventually we had MA looking at his shoes and saying sorry.
this is why i said i think the biggest issue (subsequent to the decision of who thought it was a good idea - because that bit is still unclear) is a lack of management of comms - and is possibly what has led to a divide in the fanbase but also misinformation and misattribution.
I think the lack of integrity point is pushing it a bit - im not sure if he was personally involved in the decision as to whether to allow this - but someone was. however, ulimately, he's responsible - part of being the CEO and being paid the big bucks. but is it something to fall on your sword about? for me - no.
has he lied? im not sure. the only formal comms ive seen is the video. Unless something else is attributable - then its all just noise and hearsay.
For you - he clearly hasnt apologised enough - and thats fine. For me, he's said sorry - and thats that - we move on. as ive said all along, it was hardly something illegal. if it was me, id have actually come out and said "so what, i quite like nigel" - but then again, im not the CEO - so my stance is - meh - just move on.
has he divided the supporter base ? - i think thats a temporary effect - id like to think whilst people have differing opinions on the rights and wrongs of this - ultimately we want whats best for the club - and again i think we can all agree on this point - this is unwelcome noise at an unfortunate time
your post seems to be more about "you dont like farage and he shouldnt be anywhere near our club" - again - its your right to believe in that. but i see that as a a strawman argument. i dont like joey barton, but he's been to portman road a damn site more times than farage - so i think your political bias is coming into play.
lets take it back to fact. has any law been broken? no.
i dont accept your point about the MA apology. i think he's over apologised - and in my opinion - unnecessarily so.
Has ashton split the fanbase? maybe? but its temporary - and i think everyone wants to get back to the business of acheiving promotion .
personally i believe getting rid of the person that has overseen much of that transition is foolhardy
id love to continue the debate - unfortuately i have to drive to tewkesbury now .
i want to conclude by saying i know there is strong feeling about this, but i hope my reply has been civil and fair and i really am happy to talk more .
my current feeling is that
* this is just noise
* its temporary
* no crime has been committed
* i think we should all move on. |
Your reply is perfectly civil and I have no issue with it.
If you get time feel free to read through some of the debate on here. Whilst you will see a lot of it is because of the nature of the politician involved, the issue is the politicisation of the club.
Phil sums it up well in what he says and he did comment a couple of times in a thread linked in the replies on this one.
I would suggest you ask yourself why 90+% of the feeling on here is opposite to your feeling that it was an innocent mistake that has been properly apologised for. As Phil comments, that feeling is from across the board of political opinions too. There are plenty of right-of-centre posters on here who are equally horrified with what Ashton has done. | |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:48 - Mar 30 with 519 views | bluelagos |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:38 - Mar 30 by MJallday |
This response is as much as to you, as it is lagos (and im really keen to keep the debate civil!)
I think its important to say that I totally understand WHY people are upset.
Everyone has different political persuasions. That's what makes us not like north korea. I think we can all get along, even if we don't always agree.
Taking the emotion out of it, i think what has happened in reality is that a commercial opportunity has come along, the club have grabbed it as a chance to make some money - and lets face it - its spectacularly backfired. I think on that we can all agree.
what has then happened is what can only be described as a (comms) mess. Theres information coming out from a few places - who knew or didnt know whatever etc. - and then everyone has scrambled around until eventually we had MA looking at his shoes and saying sorry.
this is why i said i think the biggest issue (subsequent to the decision of who thought it was a good idea - because that bit is still unclear) is a lack of management of comms - and is possibly what has led to a divide in the fanbase but also misinformation and misattribution.
I think the lack of integrity point is pushing it a bit - im not sure if he was personally involved in the decision as to whether to allow this - but someone was. however, ulimately, he's responsible - part of being the CEO and being paid the big bucks. but is it something to fall on your sword about? for me - no.
has he lied? im not sure. the only formal comms ive seen is the video. Unless something else is attributable - then its all just noise and hearsay.
For you - he clearly hasnt apologised enough - and thats fine. For me, he's said sorry - and thats that - we move on. as ive said all along, it was hardly something illegal. if it was me, id have actually come out and said "so what, i quite like nigel" - but then again, im not the CEO - so my stance is - meh - just move on.
has he divided the supporter base ? - i think thats a temporary effect - id like to think whilst people have differing opinions on the rights and wrongs of this - ultimately we want whats best for the club - and again i think we can all agree on this point - this is unwelcome noise at an unfortunate time
your post seems to be more about "you dont like farage and he shouldnt be anywhere near our club" - again - its your right to believe in that. but i see that as a a strawman argument. i dont like joey barton, but he's been to portman road a damn site more times than farage - so i think your political bias is coming into play.
lets take it back to fact. has any law been broken? no.
i dont accept your point about the MA apology. i think he's over apologised - and in my opinion - unnecessarily so.
Has ashton split the fanbase? maybe? but its temporary - and i think everyone wants to get back to the business of acheiving promotion .
personally i believe getting rid of the person that has overseen much of that transition is foolhardy
id love to continue the debate - unfortuately i have to drive to tewkesbury now .
i want to conclude by saying i know there is strong feeling about this, but i hope my reply has been civil and fair and i really am happy to talk more .
my current feeling is that
* this is just noise
* its temporary
* no crime has been committed
* i think we should all move on. |
Don't agree, but really dp appreciate the civil reply.
So many throw insults and you've not been close to that.
You're a good man with a different opinion, which is cool. [Post edited 30 Mar 12:50]
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:49 - Mar 30 with 510 views | grow_our_own |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 11:43 - Mar 30 by MJallday |
You want to throw the chairman who has overseen what is arguably the greatest ressurrection the club has ever had - out over something that just doesnt agree with your personal voting and political preferences.
i believe in everyones right to think in what they want and believe in what they choose, but calling for someones job over this - is just bizarre behaviour to me - and i think a sense of proportionality is warranted. Nothing illegal has happened, you (and to be fair others) - just dont like it.
theres not a lot more else to be said tbh |
"greatest ressurrection the club has ever had" - getting us out of L1, with our relative size is not "the greatest achievement the club has ever had". Ashton's a busted flush. When the stakes got high, he was found inadequate. Most major signings have been failures. In the last 19 months, Ashton has spaffed > £70m of our treasure on big-money signings who can't make the first team or are banished on loan.
Now the football world sees Ashton as Farage's bestie. The man who gave him a publicity jamboree, lied about it, then refused to admit any mistake. Footballers are disproportionately ethnic minorities who **hate** Farage. If we thought Ashton's ability to deal in the transfer market was bad before, it'll be much worse now if we don't get rid.
F#ck off to Reform,
F#ck off to Reform,
Mark Ashton, f#ck off to Reform. [Post edited 30 Mar 13:00]
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:49 - Mar 30 with 507 views | football |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:32 - Mar 30 by Kievthegreat |
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/6
Also from Phil's story on the apology:
"Farage and Reform took part in a private tour of Portman Road on Monday with the club facilitating access for their social media team, angering fans, as well as players, sponsors - understood to include Halo, Ed Sheeran and the University of Suffolk - and club staff."
Also reported by the Guardian. [Post edited 30 Mar 12:36]
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Again use of word probably. There is absolutely no evidence or on sponsors
I hope half this bird never get invited to be on jury as re incapable to listen or rely on evidence | | | |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:53 - Mar 30 with 479 views | positivity |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:49 - Mar 30 by football |
Again use of word probably. There is absolutely no evidence or on sponsors
I hope half this bird never get invited to be on jury as re incapable to listen or rely on evidence |
if a jury was hearing this, ashton would be compelled to deny or admit to the allegations.
he's had over a week to set the record straight, silence is deafening.
the facts are that the eadt, the athletic and twtd check their sources and wouldn't lightly publish it if they weren't secure in the information given | |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:55 - Mar 30 with 456 views | Dubtractor |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:49 - Mar 30 by football |
Again use of word probably. There is absolutely no evidence or on sponsors
I hope half this bird never get invited to be on jury as re incapable to listen or rely on evidence |
That 'also from Phil's story' bit is pretty definitive tbh. |  |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:55 - Mar 30 with 456 views | bluelagos |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:49 - Mar 30 by football |
Again use of word probably. There is absolutely no evidence or on sponsors
I hope half this bird never get invited to be on jury as re incapable to listen or rely on evidence |
You think our sponsors are happy with the past week?
Bury yer head in the sand if it makes you feel better. But sponsors having their brands associated with a club that is facing criticism from all sides, that is having its players mocked up as Nazis for derision, will not be happy for a minute.
They'll be livid. | |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:56 - Mar 30 with 443 views | ReusersTown |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:49 - Mar 30 by football |
Again use of word probably. There is absolutely no evidence or on sponsors
I hope half this bird never get invited to be on jury as re incapable to listen or rely on evidence |
You can't be serious, so it seems the only information source you will accept is Ashton's mouth? Who is internationally staying silent, I wonder why? | | | |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:58 - Mar 30 with 426 views | Ryorry |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:49 - Mar 30 by football |
Again use of word probably. There is absolutely no evidence or on sponsors
I hope half this bird never get invited to be on jury as re incapable to listen or rely on evidence |
At least two sources have cited extensive contact with numerous people at several levels inside Portman Rd. re how angry players and staff are. At least one sponsor has also expressed their unhappiness (can't recall who, & don't have time to trawl through all the numerous pages on the subject). |  |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 13:00 - Mar 30 with 410 views | Ryorry |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:14 - Mar 30 by MJallday |
im happy to admit that ive missed this
however, from what i can see :
* farage visited (a questionable decision at best , but hardly law breaking)
* the comms were unclear and some things came out (this should have been managed)
* its unclear where the initial comments came from
* ashton has made an in person statement apologising
i think the worst crime is the lack of management of comms. ive seen no evidence of "lies" but if you could point me in he direction im happy to re-evaluate |
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/6 | |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 13:00 - Mar 30 with 400 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:49 - Mar 30 by football |
Again use of word probably. There is absolutely no evidence or on sponsors
I hope half this bird never get invited to be on jury as re incapable to listen or rely on evidence |
That's an incredibly disingenuous approach. You have taken 1 word from the first sentence, which has no meaningful impact on the rest of the post and chosen to amplify that. I'm not entirely sure that is arguing "in good faith".
However, let's take that one word and extrapolate:
The players were and probably still are furious about all this
So, your insinuation as far as I can tell, is that it is ok that they were furious but are not any more? Am I reading that correctly, and if so, why is it ok? [Post edited 30 Mar 13:02]
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 13:02 - Mar 30 with 386 views | bluelagos |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:53 - Mar 30 by positivity |
if a jury was hearing this, ashton would be compelled to deny or admit to the allegations.
he's had over a week to set the record straight, silence is deafening.
the facts are that the eadt, the athletic and twtd check their sources and wouldn't lightly publish it if they weren't secure in the information given |
Guardian too, who reported (first I think?) about the players being unhappy.
Posters trying to present this as just a few unhappy fans are ridiculously uninformed. | |
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| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 13:05 - Mar 30 with 368 views | Kievthegreat |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 12:49 - Mar 30 by football |
Again use of word probably. There is absolutely no evidence or on sponsors
I hope half this bird never get invited to be on jury as re incapable to listen or rely on evidence |
Need to work on your reading comprehension. The statement "the players were and probably still are furious" means he is stating that the players were definitely furious. The probably is just that this hasn't likely changed, but Phil hasn't had an update.
It is hearsay, but Phil has earned a level of trust based on his decades of reporting and while it's not gospel, I trust that Phil wouldn't report something if he wasn't confident in backing it up. See for example that Phil had already been told that Ashton had a private lunch with Farage at the club earlier than the Athletic reporting it, but held it until he could verify it.
TBH I'd be more worried about having you on a Jury because you can't read and understand simple statements, but also don't seem willing to accept evidence that doesn't fit your preconceived views. | | | |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 13:10 - Mar 30 with 320 views | Ryorry |
| Ashton OUT (n/t) on 13:02 - Mar 30 by bluelagos |
Guardian too, who reported (first I think?) about the players being unhappy.
Posters trying to present this as just a few unhappy fans are ridiculously uninformed. |
https://www.theguardian.com/fo | |
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