| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast 15:08 - Jun 9 with 10375 views | noggin |
and planned anti immigrant protests tonight. If true, I fear it could get nasty. This really couldn't have come at a worse time for the UK. [Post edited 9 Jun 15:13]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:06 - Jun 10 with 955 views | Benters |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 11:57 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
the trouble is you always think it's you who gets to rule on what's legitimate and what's not. that's not how debate works. and in reality 'evidence' is more often selective than clear cut. and typically, 'evidence' is the start of a debate not the end of one. |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:10 - Jun 10 with 951 views | NedPlimpton |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 14:01 - Jun 10 by chicoazul |
Lads I’m reading some of your responses and I’m wondering if I’ve not gone completely insane. Don’t words have definitions anymore? Do we understand the difference between an opinion and knowledge? |
Knowledge can and should help form an opinion.
Opinion shouldn't be presented as knowledge
Haven't we learnt anything from the brexit referendum where the opinion of Keith from Stockton was given as much credence as the opinion of experts
Not all opinions are equal. Some have no basis whatsoever, whereas some are rooted in knowledge |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:21 - Jun 10 with 898 views | StokieBlue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 11:57 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
the trouble is you always think it's you who gets to rule on what's legitimate and what's not. that's not how debate works. and in reality 'evidence' is more often selective than clear cut. and typically, 'evidence' is the start of a debate not the end of one. |
The poster is question who was then supported by waveney was asked by multiple posters on numerous occasions to clarify their position and opinion and they refused.
Nice personal attack though. You're one of the most disingenuous posters on here and probably the worst "but both sides" merchant. Some of the stuff you've excused in the pursuit of that narrative is awful.
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:32 - Jun 10 with 858 views | chicoazul |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:10 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
Knowledge can and should help form an opinion.
Opinion shouldn't be presented as knowledge
Haven't we learnt anything from the brexit referendum where the opinion of Keith from Stockton was given as much credence as the opinion of experts
Not all opinions are equal. Some have no basis whatsoever, whereas some are rooted in knowledge |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:39 - Jun 10 with 843 views | NedPlimpton |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:32 - Jun 10 by chicoazul |
….in your opinion. |
Which part do you disagree with? | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:53 - Jun 10 with 796 views | chicoazul |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:39 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
Which part do you disagree with? |
It’s just your opinion. Just like everyone else’s opinion is just an opinion. | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:57 - Jun 10 with 772 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:53 - Jun 10 by chicoazul |
It’s just your opinion. Just like everyone else’s opinion is just an opinion. |
Now that is nonsense |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:58 - Jun 10 with 762 views | lowhouseblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:21 - Jun 10 by StokieBlue |
The poster is question who was then supported by waveney was asked by multiple posters on numerous occasions to clarify their position and opinion and they refused.
Nice personal attack though. You're one of the most disingenuous posters on here and probably the worst "but both sides" merchant. Some of the stuff you've excused in the pursuit of that narrative is awful.
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oh, boo hoo. and you stand out as one of the posters who always reacts most badly to having his views challenged. you really seem convinced that your opinions are more valuable than other people's because you're clever. what a world view. [Post edited 10 Jun 16:02]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:03 - Jun 10 with 734 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:10 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
Knowledge can and should help form an opinion.
Opinion shouldn't be presented as knowledge
Haven't we learnt anything from the brexit referendum where the opinion of Keith from Stockton was given as much credence as the opinion of experts
Not all opinions are equal. Some have no basis whatsoever, whereas some are rooted in knowledge |
Precisely
What a lot of garbage some people come out with in their desperation to rationalise hatred and bigotry | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:05 - Jun 10 with 714 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:58 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
oh, boo hoo. and you stand out as one of the posters who always reacts most badly to having his views challenged. you really seem convinced that your opinions are more valuable than other people's because you're clever. what a world view. [Post edited 10 Jun 16:02]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:07 - Jun 10 with 699 views | StokieBlue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:58 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
oh, boo hoo. and you stand out as one of the posters who always reacts most badly to having his views challenged. you really seem convinced that your opinions are more valuable than other people's because you're clever. what a world view. [Post edited 10 Jun 16:02]
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Simply not true but you continue the attempted character assassination. Must be a slow day.
I don't think it's wrong to ask people to support their views with evidence. If someone says "stop the boats", you then provide evidence of a large decrease in boat arrivals and they say "I don't believe it", should we still value that opinion equally given it's clearly not based on the evidence? Perhaps not a perfect example but I don't have all day to combat your nonsense.
You seem to think calling that out is wrong, I think turning a blind eye in the spirit of "but both sides" is worse.
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:07 - Jun 10 with 697 views | NedPlimpton |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:53 - Jun 10 by chicoazul |
It’s just your opinion. Just like everyone else’s opinion is just an opinion. |
Well this is the most pointless conversation ever!
Usually when someone says "in your opinion" it's because they disagree with the opinion.
And no, not everyone else's opinion is "just an opinion". Some are actually founded in knowledge whereas some are complete and utter nonsense | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:11 - Jun 10 with 669 views | lowhouseblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:10 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
Knowledge can and should help form an opinion.
Opinion shouldn't be presented as knowledge
Haven't we learnt anything from the brexit referendum where the opinion of Keith from Stockton was given as much credence as the opinion of experts
Not all opinions are equal. Some have no basis whatsoever, whereas some are rooted in knowledge |
you seem to think that 'knowledge' can only support one opinion (i'm guessing it turns out to only support your opinion).
'knowledge', expertise, evidence does not lead to a single answer in complex political and social matters. we are then still left with debate between people whose opinions differ. even with a mass of evidence and expertise there is seldom one right answer. i think that's the bit you're missing. | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:21 - Jun 10 with 616 views | lowhouseblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:07 - Jun 10 by StokieBlue |
Simply not true but you continue the attempted character assassination. Must be a slow day.
I don't think it's wrong to ask people to support their views with evidence. If someone says "stop the boats", you then provide evidence of a large decrease in boat arrivals and they say "I don't believe it", should we still value that opinion equally given it's clearly not based on the evidence? Perhaps not a perfect example but I don't have all day to combat your nonsense.
You seem to think calling that out is wrong, I think turning a blind eye in the spirit of "but both sides" is worse.
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if there are figures on the number of small boats i'm sure we can all agree which figure is bigger and which smaller. but as to what the policy with respect to small boats should be and what outcome we are seeking to achieve, there if no 'evidence' that will give us a single determinant answer. evidence has to be interpreted, it has to have a meaning attached, we need to reconcile diverse and conflicting evidence, we need to assess it's source and credibility, we need to weigh competing priorities and balance conflicting goals - none of that can be reduced to right v. wrong. that's really basic stuff.
the 'but both sides' stuff is nonsense. i just tend to point out when various posters are indulging in their usual group think. | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:22 - Jun 10 with 612 views | Blueschev |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:11 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
you seem to think that 'knowledge' can only support one opinion (i'm guessing it turns out to only support your opinion).
'knowledge', expertise, evidence does not lead to a single answer in complex political and social matters. we are then still left with debate between people whose opinions differ. even with a mass of evidence and expertise there is seldom one right answer. i think that's the bit you're missing. |
Who is claiming that knowledge can only support one opinion? I cannot see anybody suggesting anything like that. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:33 - Jun 10 with 546 views | chicoazul |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:07 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
Well this is the most pointless conversation ever!
Usually when someone says "in your opinion" it's because they disagree with the opinion.
And no, not everyone else's opinion is "just an opinion". Some are actually founded in knowledge whereas some are complete and utter nonsense |
Every single opinion is just that, an opinion. Take ‘em or leave ‘em. An opinion is not a statement of empirical fact.
It’s not an opinion that some bacteria cause disease or that a smashed clutch needs replacing if you want to drive the car, as those are facts. This is all o have said all along. I haven’t offered any subjective commentary on people’s opinions ITT positive or negative apart from correcting people who think opinions are somehow inviolate, well, their opinions anyway. | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:35 - Jun 10 with 533 views | vapour_trail |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:33 - Jun 10 by chicoazul |
Every single opinion is just that, an opinion. Take ‘em or leave ‘em. An opinion is not a statement of empirical fact.
It’s not an opinion that some bacteria cause disease or that a smashed clutch needs replacing if you want to drive the car, as those are facts. This is all o have said all along. I haven’t offered any subjective commentary on people’s opinions ITT positive or negative apart from correcting people who think opinions are somehow inviolate, well, their opinions anyway. |
That’s just your opinion. |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:43 - Jun 10 with 493 views | chicoazul |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:35 - Jun 10 by vapour_trail |
That’s just your opinion. |
Now you’re getting it! | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:58 - Jun 10 with 444 views | NedPlimpton |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:11 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
you seem to think that 'knowledge' can only support one opinion (i'm guessing it turns out to only support your opinion).
'knowledge', expertise, evidence does not lead to a single answer in complex political and social matters. we are then still left with debate between people whose opinions differ. even with a mass of evidence and expertise there is seldom one right answer. i think that's the bit you're missing. |
Where have I said knowledge can only support one opinion?
Or that things can't be complex?
Or that there is one right answer?
I think you're massively misrepresenting what I've said here. Or completely ignoring it to get your own point across
I agree knowledge can support multiple opinions. My point is that there will also be plenty of opinions that are not founded in knowledge and will be complete and utter nonsense. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:02 - Jun 10 with 426 views | NedPlimpton |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:33 - Jun 10 by chicoazul |
Every single opinion is just that, an opinion. Take ‘em or leave ‘em. An opinion is not a statement of empirical fact.
It’s not an opinion that some bacteria cause disease or that a smashed clutch needs replacing if you want to drive the car, as those are facts. This is all o have said all along. I haven’t offered any subjective commentary on people’s opinions ITT positive or negative apart from correcting people who think opinions are somehow inviolate, well, their opinions anyway. |
Yeah sure, but what if one mechanic said you should choose a certain type of clutch because he had shares in that clutch company knowing full well that it's a sub-standard clutch, whereas another suggested a different clutch based on years of experience and knowledge
Are both of those opinion equal? | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:18 - Jun 10 with 395 views | Dubtractor |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:58 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
Where have I said knowledge can only support one opinion?
Or that things can't be complex?
Or that there is one right answer?
I think you're massively misrepresenting what I've said here. Or completely ignoring it to get your own point across
I agree knowledge can support multiple opinions. My point is that there will also be plenty of opinions that are not founded in knowledge and will be complete and utter nonsense. |
Ha. I was going to jump in and make these points, but I figured you could fight your own battles. |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:38 - Jun 10 with 342 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 14:16 - Jun 10 by GlasgowBlue |
The way I see it there is a difference between opinion and expert opinion.
So if we are all giving our opinions on how Ipswich should set up their team next season all opinions are equal. Unless one pf us has their FIFA 'A' license. In that case their opinion would hold more weight than others. But the others would still have the right to hold and put forward their opinion. And all of us are free to challenge that opinion.
In most of the debates on TWTD, there are very few subjects where 'expert' opinion is put forward. |
Pah! I’m a TWTD expert so all my opinions are expert opinions. Suck it up losers.
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