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… In Brexit. And that Burnham is lying. When it’s proven they did.
What impact their social media influence - on scale - caused to the Leave vote is of course open to interpretation.
BUT - what is now emerging is that Ukraine have now bombed Russian server farms. And the level of Trump promoting accounts have significantly diminished.
It’s almost like our biggest security threat - Putin - is pro Trump/Reform.
It’s almost like Reform are bad for the UK?!
Letting that dangerous idiot into our club to use our brand remains a stain.
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 11:32 - Oct 14 by Mullet
You always hide behind "personal attacks" when your posting is unravelled. It's really fascinating, you try to come off as intellectual and reasonable, but you're not.
You're not the only one who tries this approach and pushes one-sided agendas badly. Please don't be deterred; it's funny watching you flounder every time you fall over your own failings and point fingers.
People pointing out what you're doing and how bad you are at it aren't "personal attacks" they're demonstrations of why you can't construct a decent point on here time and again.
It has been genuinely fascinating being part of the evolution of this thread.
I started with a discussion about polling numbers, agreeing with the good news of Reform's decline. I then give a specific list of objective, mainstream news facts from the BBC and Sky News (including a Chancellor correcting her CV and an anti-corruption minister resigning amid a foreign corruption probe), in order to suggest why Labour are polling 25%. My disdain for the last Conservative government couldn't have been much clearer.
Since nobody has been able to dispute or disprove a single one of those factual events, the response from this group has morphed into a collective support network where users are now:
• Insisting they haven't used a single personal barb, while simultaneously calling me "disingenuous," "embarrassing," "intellectually dishonest," and a "div." • Writing paragraphs about me to eagerly declare to the board that they "no longer engage" with me. • Weaving an internet conspiracy theory that implies quoting standard UK broadsheets means I am an automated Russian bot network run out of a Yandex data centre.
I will continue to point out the failures, scandals, and sliding ethical standards of this Labour government, just as I did with the previous government (although admittedly I wasn't on here much at the time. If anyone accidentally stumbles across a fact-check for that list between now and the next election, feel free to drop it in. Until then, keep shouting at the newspapers!
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So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 13:37 - Oct 14 with 1605 views
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 13:27 - Oct 14 by balcombeblue
It has been genuinely fascinating being part of the evolution of this thread.
I started with a discussion about polling numbers, agreeing with the good news of Reform's decline. I then give a specific list of objective, mainstream news facts from the BBC and Sky News (including a Chancellor correcting her CV and an anti-corruption minister resigning amid a foreign corruption probe), in order to suggest why Labour are polling 25%. My disdain for the last Conservative government couldn't have been much clearer.
Since nobody has been able to dispute or disprove a single one of those factual events, the response from this group has morphed into a collective support network where users are now:
• Insisting they haven't used a single personal barb, while simultaneously calling me "disingenuous," "embarrassing," "intellectually dishonest," and a "div." • Writing paragraphs about me to eagerly declare to the board that they "no longer engage" with me. • Weaving an internet conspiracy theory that implies quoting standard UK broadsheets means I am an automated Russian bot network run out of a Yandex data centre.
I will continue to point out the failures, scandals, and sliding ethical standards of this Labour government, just as I did with the previous government (although admittedly I wasn't on here much at the time. If anyone accidentally stumbles across a fact-check for that list between now and the next election, feel free to drop it in. Until then, keep shouting at the newspapers!
Why is it you would keep posting about alleged failures, even if completely innacurately per the rayner one, in a thread about farage and Russian interference?
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 13:37 - Oct 14 by redrickstuhaart
Why is it you would keep posting about alleged failures, even if completely innacurately per the rayner one, in a thread about farage and Russian interference?
We can only guess...
It is interesting that a thread primarily about Reform has descended into an extended 'but Labour' thread.
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 13:50 - Oct 14 by Dubtractor
It is interesting that a thread primarily about Reform has descended into an extended 'but Labour' thread.
My earlier post explicitly welcomed the drop in Reform's numbers. The entire reason I am raising these cabinet controversies is because a government polling at 25% due to its own avoidable blunders is exactly what gives alternative parties traction in the first place.
If someone's political worldview is so fragile that any demand for basic democratic accountability makes your opponent a Farage supporter, then that's a shame. You don't need a party political agenda to read the news, you just need a basic expectation that politicians should do better.
I can only assume that by not acknowledging the issues Labour face that you don't think they need to improve the job they are doing.
Furthermore, if I continually get personally attacked, don't be surprised that I call it out. The denials that these aren't personal attacks at all is simply a lie.
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So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 14:09 - Oct 14 with 1518 views
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 13:59 - Oct 14 by balcombeblue
My earlier post explicitly welcomed the drop in Reform's numbers. The entire reason I am raising these cabinet controversies is because a government polling at 25% due to its own avoidable blunders is exactly what gives alternative parties traction in the first place.
If someone's political worldview is so fragile that any demand for basic democratic accountability makes your opponent a Farage supporter, then that's a shame. You don't need a party political agenda to read the news, you just need a basic expectation that politicians should do better.
I can only assume that by not acknowledging the issues Labour face that you don't think they need to improve the job they are doing.
Furthermore, if I continually get personally attacked, don't be surprised that I call it out. The denials that these aren't personal attacks at all is simply a lie.
Goalposts shifting again. Further strawmen deployed.
Describing disingenuous arguments as such is not a personal attack. Calling someone a liar, is
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 13:59 - Oct 14 by balcombeblue
My earlier post explicitly welcomed the drop in Reform's numbers. The entire reason I am raising these cabinet controversies is because a government polling at 25% due to its own avoidable blunders is exactly what gives alternative parties traction in the first place.
If someone's political worldview is so fragile that any demand for basic democratic accountability makes your opponent a Farage supporter, then that's a shame. You don't need a party political agenda to read the news, you just need a basic expectation that politicians should do better.
I can only assume that by not acknowledging the issues Labour face that you don't think they need to improve the job they are doing.
Furthermore, if I continually get personally attacked, don't be surprised that I call it out. The denials that these aren't personal attacks at all is simply a lie.
I wouldn't imagine anyone thinks you are a reform supporter, its pretty clear you are a tory at heart though, which is fine btw, you are allowed to be.
The point remains that you have spent a significant number of posts atracking labour, and it all feels like a major distraction from the actual theme of the thread, so im not surprised some are challenging you on it.
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 14:11 - Oct 14 by Dubtractor
I wouldn't imagine anyone thinks you are a reform supporter, its pretty clear you are a tory at heart though, which is fine btw, you are allowed to be.
The point remains that you have spent a significant number of posts atracking labour, and it all feels like a major distraction from the actual theme of the thread, so im not surprised some are challenging you on it.
That's fair enough. I don't mind the challenge at all. It's a forum after all.
You've never been personal, except when clearly in jest.
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So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 14:28 - Oct 14 with 1452 views
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 14:17 - Oct 14 by balcombeblue
That's fair enough. I don't mind the challenge at all. It's a forum after all.
You've never been personal, except when clearly in jest.
How is pointing out that you're cherry picking evidence a personal attack?
By this logic you could take one point that supports your view from endless data that doesn't support it and then if anyone says that's cherry picking it's a personal attack even if they support that assertion by pointing out the evidence you've ignored.
It's clearly nonsense and not representative of what's actually happening in the debates. It's actually, if anything, a personal attack on those you're accusing.
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 14:28 - Oct 14 by StokieBlue
How is pointing out that you're cherry picking evidence a personal attack?
By this logic you could take one point that supports your view from endless data that doesn't support it and then if anyone says that's cherry picking it's a personal attack even if they support that assertion by pointing out the evidence you've ignored.
It's clearly nonsense and not representative of what's actually happening in the debates. It's actually, if anything, a personal attack on those you're accusing.
SB
Look at what's been written about me. That's a framing that you would (quite rightly) object to.
I have never accused you of being anything. I read your posts and don't agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't name call or call you disingenuous. If I have once or twice erred from this then it is my error.
However, that isn't what I experience from others on here. That is all I am saying and the record of this thread is evidence of that. You often comment on the need for evidence, so it's in the above in black and white.
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So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 14:41 - Oct 14 with 1425 views
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 14:39 - Oct 14 by balcombeblue
Look at what's been written about me. That's a framing that you would (quite rightly) object to.
I have never accused you of being anything. I read your posts and don't agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't name call or call you disingenuous. If I have once or twice erred from this then it is my error.
However, that isn't what I experience from others on here. That is all I am saying and the record of this thread is evidence of that. You often comment on the need for evidence, so it's in the above in black and white.
Your arguments ARE disingenuous. You have not been called names.
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 11:32 - Oct 14 by The_Romford_Blue
It’ll never not be funny to me that you instantly hated Burnham despite having no actual reason other than he’s a Labour man but yet for someone so patriotic literally ignore every bit of evidence that Farage hates this country and has done more bad for it than anyone political in the history of England.
Wait til he hears what a Reform representative said about his King!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
On the subject of the visitor to our football club, this:
is brave, intrepid investigative journalism. Ashton invited Farage into ITFC to promote Reform six weeks before the local elections. Councillor nomination deadline is four weeks before. So that means at the very same time Ashton was glorifying Farage, Farage was turning a blind eye to these racist f#ckwits in his "vetting".
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So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 12:29 - Oct 15 with 718 views
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 11:57 - Oct 15 by grow_our_own
On the subject of the visitor to our football club, this:
is brave, intrepid investigative journalism. Ashton invited Farage into ITFC to promote Reform six weeks before the local elections. Councillor nomination deadline is four weeks before. So that means at the very same time Ashton was glorifying Farage, Farage was turning a blind eye to these racist f#ckwits in his "vetting".
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One of them claimed he was heavily medicated at the time.
That's up there isn't it?
What are the side effects of this medication doctor? In some case sir, it'll turn you into a racist.
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So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 12:38 - Oct 15 with 688 views
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 12:29 - Oct 15 by balcombeblue
One of them claimed he was heavily medicated at the time.
That's up there isn't it?
What are the side effects of this medication doctor? In some case sir, it'll turn you into a racist.
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To be fair that’s why I no longer use aspirin.
I took a couple for an headache and I ended up shouting at a hotel and colouring in a roundabout. I was just one dose away from climbing up a ladder and putting up a Sports Direct flag on a lamppost.
Small escapes and all that.
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So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 12:46 - Oct 15 with 653 views
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 12:38 - Oct 15 by MattinLondon
To be fair that’s why I no longer use aspirin.
I took a couple for an headache and I ended up shouting at a hotel and colouring in a roundabout. I was just one dose away from climbing up a ladder and putting up a Sports Direct flag on a lamppost.
Small escapes and all that.
Yeh I took three ibuprofen instead of my usual two once and then found myself chest-deep in the English Channel deflating RNLI boats with a knife. If only I'd read the small-print in the side-effects list!
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So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 13:31 - Oct 15 with 598 views
So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 09:00 - Oct 15 by Benters
He isn’t my King he’s a drip.
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Genuinely intrigued to hear what he's done to make you arrive at that assumption. Likewise, I'm equally Genuinely intrigued to understand what you think were the halcyon days of "this once great country" you often refer to?
"Look, I don't wanna be the same as everybody else. That's why I'm a Mod, see?"
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So the ‘visitor’ to our FOOTBALL club claims Russia didn’t interfere…. on 13:38 - Oct 15 with 579 views
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