| The Curious Case of VAR 11:58 - Jan 14 with 1132 views | Chris_ITFC |
November 2018: Premier League clubs voted unanimously to introduce VAR in season 2019/20.
January 2026: All this time later, there is not even the remotest discussion of VAR being introduced to the Championship.
Is that because the chaos of the Championship is sacrosanct?
Or is it actually just bonkers that the ‘greatest league in the world’ is continuing to use VAR, because they’re just too stubborn and cowardly to admit they’d never adopt it now? Isn’t that absolutely mad? |  |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:18 - Jan 14 with 962 views | homer_123 |
It costs a fortune for VAR to be installed fella. Clubs can't afford it.
EDIT - and it's sh** and ruins football - which is already ruined. [Post edited 14 Jan 12:19]
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:26 - Jan 14 with 916 views | Zx1988 |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:18 - Jan 14 by homer_123 |
It costs a fortune for VAR to be installed fella. Clubs can't afford it.
EDIT - and it's sh** and ruins football - which is already ruined. [Post edited 14 Jan 12:19]
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Indeed. The cost of installation would cripple 'smaller' clubs such as Oxford, Wycombe, or the likes of Yeovil et al who make an occasional foray into the Championship. |  |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:39 - Jan 14 with 863 views | HighgateBlue |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:26 - Jan 14 by Zx1988 |
Indeed. The cost of installation would cripple 'smaller' clubs such as Oxford, Wycombe, or the likes of Yeovil et al who make an occasional foray into the Championship. |
Yes, and the ongoing (and perhaps even growing) irritation with VAR on the part of fans must at least be a valid factor in deciding not to subject such clubs to another substantial financial outlay.
I really dislike VAR (and/or the way that it is applied), but I do see a difference between using something you've already paid for, and making a decision to pay for it when someone else already has it, and it's unpopular. I imagine there will be some changes in the Prem, but positive changes seem to be so much slower than negative and/or pointless ones! |  | | |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:43 - Jan 14 with 846 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:26 - Jan 14 by Zx1988 |
Indeed. The cost of installation would cripple 'smaller' clubs such as Oxford, Wycombe, or the likes of Yeovil et al who make an occasional foray into the Championship. |
Yeah, but Yeovil would have the best cameras in the National League. |  |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:52 - Jan 14 with 817 views | VanSaParody |
Again, I've said this before & now I'm blue in the face!
Nothing wrong with the technology, but it's still humans getting VAR decisions wrong far more often than right
If the decision/interpretation is still going to be down to a team of humans in the VAR room (even after having the benefit of the technology) & they're still making mistakes, then the technology has been a complete waste of time & money
We may as well just return to just the 1 human getting a decision wrong... the ref |  | | |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:56 - Jan 14 with 803 views | Zx1988 |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:18 - Jan 14 by homer_123 |
It costs a fortune for VAR to be installed fella. Clubs can't afford it.
EDIT - and it's sh** and ruins football - which is already ruined. [Post edited 14 Jan 12:19]
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Just a thought - did/do we actually own all the VAR kit, or was it all loaned to us during our stay in the Premier League?
I did the stadium tour back in the Spring, and recall seeing a lot of cameras and items with Premier League asset tags on them, so I would assume at least some of the required EPL kit is loaned rather than purchased? | |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:56 - Jan 14 with 803 views | BseaBlue |
I think it lost a vote to be scrapped as well when proposed by Premier League clubs.
It was great having an FA cup weekend without interference but you can bet your life on one of the big clubs in the latter stages having a decision go against them and blame the fact that VAR wasnt used! |  | | |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:57 - Jan 14 with 804 views | iamatractorboy |
The problem with a system like VAR is that football, by its nature, has so much subjectivity to most of its decisions. Even after multiple replays and slo-mo, you still get 50% of fans (and neutrals) saying the decision should be one way and 50% saying the other way. Officials really are on a hiding to nothing, whether the decision is made on the pitch or in some booth somewhere. Even when it is at first glance meant to be an objective decision like offside, there are arguments about how precise the replays are, if someone is 'active', etc. It's a nightmare.
That's not to excuse how long VAR takes though. Taking five minutes is patently ridiculous and they should introduce a 30 second time limit. No decision after 3o seconds? Go with on field decision, end of story. | | | |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:45 - Jan 14 with 706 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:56 - Jan 14 by BseaBlue |
I think it lost a vote to be scrapped as well when proposed by Premier League clubs.
It was great having an FA cup weekend without interference but you can bet your life on one of the big clubs in the latter stages having a decision go against them and blame the fact that VAR wasnt used! |
IIRC it was Wolves who suggested binning it, but every other club (including ourselves) voted against them.
Well done Wolves I say. |  | | |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:48 - Jan 14 with 697 views | Kieran_Knows |
Something that takes 5+ minutes to decide is clearly not ‘clear and obvious’.
Set a timer, 45 seconds for example. If you can’t decide, it stays with the on field decision. Simple. |  |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:54 - Jan 14 with 683 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:48 - Jan 14 by Kieran_Knows |
Something that takes 5+ minutes to decide is clearly not ‘clear and obvious’.
Set a timer, 45 seconds for example. If you can’t decide, it stays with the on field decision. Simple. |
Just sack it off entirely, its shit. | | | |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:58 - Jan 14 with 668 views | Vaughan8 |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:45 - Jan 14 by _CliveBaker_ |
IIRC it was Wolves who suggested binning it, but every other club (including ourselves) voted against them.
Well done Wolves I say. |
This is why these clubs get pretty much no sympathy. They could have voted to not have it, but deep down they must realise it gets decisions right **most** of the time.
I dislike the "toe nail offside" decisions, but they have the tech now, so they're going to use it.
I don't think it will ever be scrapped now. | | | |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 14:31 - Jan 14 with 618 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:58 - Jan 14 by Vaughan8 |
This is why these clubs get pretty much no sympathy. They could have voted to not have it, but deep down they must realise it gets decisions right **most** of the time.
I dislike the "toe nail offside" decisions, but they have the tech now, so they're going to use it.
I don't think it will ever be scrapped now. |
Yeah it feels like the cat is out of the bag now, its unlikely to be ever scrapped now you would think. | | | |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 15:10 - Jan 14 with 569 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:52 - Jan 14 by VanSaParody |
Again, I've said this before & now I'm blue in the face!
Nothing wrong with the technology, but it's still humans getting VAR decisions wrong far more often than right
If the decision/interpretation is still going to be down to a team of humans in the VAR room (even after having the benefit of the technology) & they're still making mistakes, then the technology has been a complete waste of time & money
We may as well just return to just the 1 human getting a decision wrong... the ref |
Apparently of the 13 incidents where there was a VAR mistake this season, only 2 were where the VAR made the wrong decision. That’s so much better than on-field refs mange. The other 11 were where VAR should have stepped in but failed to do so. So yes, it’s all down to how it’s used (or more often, not used).
The time delays are killing it though. I’d set a time limit of 30 secs. If a decision can’t be made in that time it’s obviously not clear and obvious and the ref’s decision stands. 5 minutes is utterly ridiculous. |  |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 16:28 - Jan 14 with 486 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:54 - Jan 14 by _CliveBaker_ |
Just sack it off entirely, its shit. |
It’s disappointing that managers are too soft and/or media trained nowadays and don’t lay into it as they should. Eddie Howe last night should have been ripping the s5it out of a six minute delay. Big Mick would have no time for VAR. |  |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:13 - Jan 14 with 391 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:58 - Jan 14 by Vaughan8 |
This is why these clubs get pretty much no sympathy. They could have voted to not have it, but deep down they must realise it gets decisions right **most** of the time.
I dislike the "toe nail offside" decisions, but they have the tech now, so they're going to use it.
I don't think it will ever be scrapped now. |
IIRC Ashton said that the reason they voted against Wolves was because Town and other clubs were told that there would be changes to fix the issues.
Which is why he demanded a meeting with Howard Webb, because nothing had changed.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich
"“But the context of some of what I said to him was this. When we were promoted to the Premier League in the summer, I’d never worked with VAR ever, so it was very new to me.
“And the Premier League presented to me why we should support retaining VAR, Wolverhampton Wanderers had made a petition for it to be removed.
“We listened to Wolves and we listened to some other clubs and we listened primarily to the Premier League and on the basis of what I was told, we supported the Premier League’s decision.
“And a key part of that was how high the bar was going to be set for decisions to be overturned and overruled, and at what point VAR got involved in the game.
“If I was asked to make that vote again tomorrow, I can’t look you in the eye say I’d vote the same way because I am still angry, I’m still frustrated. [Post edited 14 Jan 18:16]
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:18 - Jan 14 with 371 views | Mark |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:13 - Jan 14 by Cheltenham_Blue |
IIRC Ashton said that the reason they voted against Wolves was because Town and other clubs were told that there would be changes to fix the issues.
Which is why he demanded a meeting with Howard Webb, because nothing had changed.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich
"“But the context of some of what I said to him was this. When we were promoted to the Premier League in the summer, I’d never worked with VAR ever, so it was very new to me.
“And the Premier League presented to me why we should support retaining VAR, Wolverhampton Wanderers had made a petition for it to be removed.
“We listened to Wolves and we listened to some other clubs and we listened primarily to the Premier League and on the basis of what I was told, we supported the Premier League’s decision.
“And a key part of that was how high the bar was going to be set for decisions to be overturned and overruled, and at what point VAR got involved in the game.
“If I was asked to make that vote again tomorrow, I can’t look you in the eye say I’d vote the same way because I am still angry, I’m still frustrated. [Post edited 14 Jan 18:16]
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I don't understand why ITFC voted for VAR, as I believe the vote was before we had the system so we had to pay for installation? There can't have been much or any consultation with fans. VAR was a real negative for me in the Premier League, taking away the joy of the moment while all the checks were undertaken. |  | | |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:19 - Jan 14 with 362 views | MK1 |
Nothing wrong with the technology, it's the humans looking at it that's the problem. Ex-players only to be used. |  |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:21 - Jan 14 with 354 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:18 - Jan 14 by Mark |
I don't understand why ITFC voted for VAR, as I believe the vote was before we had the system so we had to pay for installation? There can't have been much or any consultation with fans. VAR was a real negative for me in the Premier League, taking away the joy of the moment while all the checks were undertaken. |
Why we voted for VAR is literally in my post.
However, it would have taken 12 clubs to vote against it or something on that level.
It was 19-1 | |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:22 - Jan 14 with 350 views | MK1 |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 12:56 - Jan 14 by BseaBlue |
I think it lost a vote to be scrapped as well when proposed by Premier League clubs.
It was great having an FA cup weekend without interference but you can bet your life on one of the big clubs in the latter stages having a decision go against them and blame the fact that VAR wasnt used! |
VAR used from the 5th round onwards. Not sure why those games are seen as more important though. | |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:33 - Jan 14 with 332 views | Kieran_Knows |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 13:54 - Jan 14 by _CliveBaker_ |
Just sack it off entirely, its shit. |
Totally agree with you, the problem is it’s clearly here to stay. Was it last summer or the one before where Prem teams voted on it and 19 out of 20 wanted to keep it.
As I say, I think a timer, maybe anywhere from 30 seconds to 1 minute would be a good start.
That said, I watch a lot of football, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, La Liga and I can’t honestly say in all my years watching it since VAR has been a thing, I’ve never seen any of those leagues take as long as the Prem does, it’s farcical.
Which leads me on to my next point, why can’t we poach the best refs/VAR officials from other countries? I appreciate he’s sh!t, but Jarred Gillet refs in the UK having come from the Australian A-League, and half of our officials swam off to Saudi each year to officiate games there. | |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:34 - Jan 14 with 332 views | Denny32 |
At the meeting nxt week of IFAB arsene wengers proposal of the daylight gap between the attacker and defender is up for discussion as regards change for nxt season..its interesting and could do away with most of var call up ..basically as long as any part of an attacker in line with a defender. He's judged on side ..its only when there is a part of daylight separation, its when its,offside.. | | | |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:43 - Jan 14 with 321 views | Coastalblue |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:22 - Jan 14 by MK1 |
VAR used from the 5th round onwards. Not sure why those games are seen as more important though. |
Don't agree with that, the same rules should apply for the entirety of the competition, it should be the same game at Wembley in the final as it was for Maldon and Tiptree v Maidstone or whoever played the opening rounds. |  |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:46 - Jan 14 with 319 views | MK1 |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:43 - Jan 14 by Coastalblue |
Don't agree with that, the same rules should apply for the entirety of the competition, it should be the same game at Wembley in the final as it was for Maldon and Tiptree v Maidstone or whoever played the opening rounds. |
Totally agree. | |
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| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:52 - Jan 14 with 315 views | MK1 |
| The Curious Case of VAR on 18:34 - Jan 14 by Denny32 |
At the meeting nxt week of IFAB arsene wengers proposal of the daylight gap between the attacker and defender is up for discussion as regards change for nxt season..its interesting and could do away with most of var call up ..basically as long as any part of an attacker in line with a defender. He's judged on side ..its only when there is a part of daylight separation, its when its,offside.. |
What if the Captains were given just 2 challenges per game? Think they have it in cricket. | |
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