| Burnham wins Makerfield 03:11 - Jun 19 with 4495 views | Ryorry |
Good majority, about 9K votes. |  |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 09:46 - Jun 19 with 1147 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Just about as bad of a night for Reform as you can get really. Burnham trounces them and they get less votes than expected. It really does feel like the support for them has peaked at a level, and the threat of Restore is clearly bugging Farage a lot.
It may not have effected the result here, but it will definitely cost them in a GE, and the fact that they are now trending even further right to stave them off, will lose them some "moderate" voters. That and the appointments of all the awful ex-tories, the 5M and the riot rhetoric finally seems to be coming home to roost.
You love to see it. |  |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 10:13 - Jun 19 with 1070 views | jayessess |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 08:32 - Jun 19 by baxterbasics |
Pretty comprehensive. Does suggest Reform may have peaked, whether you lean right or not I think people are noticing they are not fit or ready for power. Although the argument that a lot of people voted Burnham who wouldn't normally vote Labour probably has some credence too.
I wonder which Burnham will eventually become PM - the Blairite version who improved Manchester by offering regulation and tax breaks to encourage private investment, or the Burnham that said wants to nationalise most of the economy and regulate what is left into the ground. Because booo Thatcher, or something. |
Main weakness in by-elections is very poor candidates (Matt Goodwin and Robert Kenyon probably cost you 5-10% in themselves) and that ~60% of the electorate will vote for pretty much anyone likely to beat the Reform candidate.
In a general election though (a) people pay less attention to the quality of the actual person standing (b) if Labour, Greens, Lib Dems are all polling 15-25% nationally it becomes much harder for people to sort out who's most competitive in their constituency. [Post edited 19 Jun 10:14]
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 10:16 - Jun 19 with 1063 views | Ryorry |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 09:46 - Jun 19 by JammyDodgerrr |
Just about as bad of a night for Reform as you can get really. Burnham trounces them and they get less votes than expected. It really does feel like the support for them has peaked at a level, and the threat of Restore is clearly bugging Farage a lot.
It may not have effected the result here, but it will definitely cost them in a GE, and the fact that they are now trending even further right to stave them off, will lose them some "moderate" voters. That and the appointments of all the awful ex-tories, the 5M and the riot rhetoric finally seems to be coming home to roost.
You love to see it. |
Also terrible for the LibDems, who seem to have sunk into oblivion except in local govt. | |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 10:24 - Jun 19 with 1032 views | Ftnfwest |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 09:46 - Jun 19 by JammyDodgerrr |
Just about as bad of a night for Reform as you can get really. Burnham trounces them and they get less votes than expected. It really does feel like the support for them has peaked at a level, and the threat of Restore is clearly bugging Farage a lot.
It may not have effected the result here, but it will definitely cost them in a GE, and the fact that they are now trending even further right to stave them off, will lose them some "moderate" voters. That and the appointments of all the awful ex-tories, the 5M and the riot rhetoric finally seems to be coming home to roost.
You love to see it. |
People want Starmer out. A ninth (or whatever it is) Reform MP isn't going to deliver them that. |  | | |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 10:38 - Jun 19 with 994 views | StokieBlue |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 10:16 - Jun 19 by Ryorry |
Also terrible for the LibDems, who seem to have sunk into oblivion except in local govt. |
I believe the Lib Dems are 1 seat off their highest ever number of MPs under their modern guise.
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 10:48 - Jun 19 with 981 views | giant_stow |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 09:02 - Jun 19 by hype313 |
They have shot themsleves in the foot by bringing in the likes of Jenrick, Braverman and Dorries, Farage is finally showing his true colours and people are waking up to the fact that he's a self serving charlatan. |
Maybe people are starting to see Farage? https://leftfootforward.org/20
Hope so. |  |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 11:10 - Jun 19 with 939 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 08:25 - Jun 19 by MJallday |
Ok well if it helps you I dislike her for
Her politics
Her public persona
Her approach to decision making
Her continued refusal to engage with the rape gang enquiry’s
Her questionable tax records
I do not dislike her for
Her hair colour
Where she came from
I hope that clarifies |
When only Benters backs you up you know you are talking b sh1t [Post edited 19 Jun 13:11]
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 11:22 - Jun 19 with 916 views | Manchesterblue |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 06:38 - Jun 19 by MJallday |
I can’t believe the good people of makerfield are looking at the Labour Party a thinking “hey I want 2 more years of that”
Then again I don’t suppose the alternative is any better
Sigh |
Looks like voters in Makerfield voted to get Starmer out,
Not suprised.
It may be a lot worse under Burnham. |  |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 11:42 - Jun 19 with 879 views | leitrimblue |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 06:48 - Jun 19 by MJallday |
You think he’s going to go easily or quickly ?
You think steering , lammy or the ginger council estate one are gonna roll over and let Burnham have the leadership?
This will be a mess for months, and all that time the government isn’t running things , they’re distracted with keeping their own
Jobs
Personally I believe that if a PM resigns or is leadership challenged, it should trigger a GE. |
'The ginger council estate one' How to say yer only impressed by inbred public schoolboys without saying yer only impressed by inbred public schoolboys  |  | | |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 12:19 - Jun 19 with 824 views | lowhouseblue |
yields up, ftse down, £ down. just the markets reminding burnham that he'll have no more flexibility than starmer. |  |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 13:15 - Jun 19 with 779 views | reusersfreekicks |
A reflection on the result.
Still very sobering and worrying that:
A far right racist party got 35% of the vote.
An even further right, virtual nazi part got 7% of the vote | | | |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 13:18 - Jun 19 with 771 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 08:32 - Jun 19 by baxterbasics |
Pretty comprehensive. Does suggest Reform may have peaked, whether you lean right or not I think people are noticing they are not fit or ready for power. Although the argument that a lot of people voted Burnham who wouldn't normally vote Labour probably has some credence too.
I wonder which Burnham will eventually become PM - the Blairite version who improved Manchester by offering regulation and tax breaks to encourage private investment, or the Burnham that said wants to nationalise most of the economy and regulate what is left into the ground. Because booo Thatcher, or something. |
Nationalise most of the economy.
Show your workings here.
Or admit it's nonsense | | | |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 13:31 - Jun 19 with 752 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 11:22 - Jun 19 by Manchesterblue |
Looks like voters in Makerfield voted to get Starmer out,
Not suprised.
It may be a lot worse under Burnham. |
It may be, it might not. I’m not sure anyone knows. There’s a lot of guessing going on and a lot of things that have to happen first if he’s going to end up PM. That’ll shake up the party so then who knows what a future cabinet would look like and what brief they’d have. Where’s he going to get his strategy advice from too, as that seems to have been one of the biggest failings of Starmer’s Labour. The expectation is he’ll bring his core team from Manchester, but they’ve been working on local issue only, so again there’s more guesswork about how the Manchester vision would translate to the country. So far people haven’t got far beyond he’s likely to strengthen local governance and is keen on involving government in the delivery of public transport. The second part’s already happening under Starmer.
Burnham does seem like a much better communicator and likely leader than Starmer. He seems to be able to galvanise people around a clear vision (at least based on his mayoral role). And is quite good at selling the project to the people. If he could carry that into Number 10 they would be improvements over Starmer. But the policies and conviction of delivery still have to be right. |  |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 13:47 - Jun 19 with 711 views | eireblue |
He added: “I’m prepared to go to prison to stop us having [central bank digital currencies] administered under digital ID. That is how committed I am.”
Begs the question, how quickly can the legislation get done. |  | | |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 13:50 - Jun 19 with 703 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 10:16 - Jun 19 by Ryorry |
Also terrible for the LibDems, who seem to have sunk into oblivion except in local govt. |
I think it's an excellent example of tactical voting by voters on the left of the political spectrum - vote for whoever will beat Reform. In this case there was clearly only one candidate who could do so, so why bother wasting your vote on the Greens or Lib Dems.
Hopefully we see this across the country at the next GE if we don't have PR by then. |  | | |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 14:58 - Jun 19 with 646 views | Ryorry |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 13:50 - Jun 19 by Clapham_Junction |
I think it's an excellent example of tactical voting by voters on the left of the political spectrum - vote for whoever will beat Reform. In this case there was clearly only one candidate who could do so, so why bother wasting your vote on the Greens or Lib Dems.
Hopefully we see this across the country at the next GE if we don't have PR by then. |
Fair enough, agree with that. | |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 15:35 - Jun 19 with 604 views | WeWereZombies |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 13:31 - Jun 19 by Swansea_Blue |
It may be, it might not. I’m not sure anyone knows. There’s a lot of guessing going on and a lot of things that have to happen first if he’s going to end up PM. That’ll shake up the party so then who knows what a future cabinet would look like and what brief they’d have. Where’s he going to get his strategy advice from too, as that seems to have been one of the biggest failings of Starmer’s Labour. The expectation is he’ll bring his core team from Manchester, but they’ve been working on local issue only, so again there’s more guesswork about how the Manchester vision would translate to the country. So far people haven’t got far beyond he’s likely to strengthen local governance and is keen on involving government in the delivery of public transport. The second part’s already happening under Starmer.
Burnham does seem like a much better communicator and likely leader than Starmer. He seems to be able to galvanise people around a clear vision (at least based on his mayoral role). And is quite good at selling the project to the people. If he could carry that into Number 10 they would be improvements over Starmer. But the policies and conviction of delivery still have to be right. |
'so again there’s more guesswork about how the Manchester vision would translate to the country'
That country being Wales ? |  |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 15:39 - Jun 19 with 595 views | Benters |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 11:10 - Jun 19 by reusersfreekicks |
When only Benters backs you up you know you are talking b sh1t [Post edited 19 Jun 13:11]
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Bore off. |  |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 17:11 - Jun 19 with 527 views | Dubtractor |
Something worth noting about the 2 reform losses in Manchester recently, is that in both cases they have picked inexplicably bad candidates. |  |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 17:24 - Jun 19 with 512 views | Ryorry |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 17:11 - Jun 19 by Dubtractor |
Something worth noting about the 2 reform losses in Manchester recently, is that in both cases they have picked inexplicably bad candidates. |
They knew they had no chance v Burnham, so saved their 'better' (comparatively!) candidates for more winnable constitiencies? | |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 17:53 - Jun 19 with 487 views | eireblue |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 17:24 - Jun 19 by Ryorry |
They knew they had no chance v Burnham, so saved their 'better' (comparatively!) candidates for more winnable constitiencies? |
Umm…..no……it’s a bit awkward this….they were the best candidates. | | | |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 19:18 - Jun 19 with 420 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 13:18 - Jun 19 by reusersfreekicks |
Nationalise most of the economy.
Show your workings here.
Or admit it's nonsense |
Yeah he’s going to disappoint a few here I think, he’s a politician who’s really embraced the private sector to promote growth in Manchester. I really don’t think he’s doing to set Labour on a drastically different course. He will probably be better at uniting the left and right of the party and hopefully less ‘flip flopping’ than Starmer.
Not sure how much you can read into the result since the constitutancy seems to have voted Labour for the last 30+ years. |  | | |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 19:23 - Jun 19 with 396 views | Ryorry |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 17:53 - Jun 19 by eireblue |
Umm…..no……it’s a bit awkward this….they were the best candidates. |
Hah! | |
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| Burnham wins Makerfield on 19:47 - Jun 19 with 371 views | Kievthegreat |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 10:16 - Jun 19 by Ryorry |
Also terrible for the LibDems, who seem to have sunk into oblivion except in local govt. |
Lib Dems, Greens and Tories didn't really fight this by-election and there was lots of tactical voting. Getting squeezed into tiny amounts here isn't really a concern for any of those parties.
I think the Lib Dems are frustrated at getting zero coverage in the media, despite being the third biggest party in terms of seats. However their vote share in polling is broadly what it was at the GE and their votes in the last election were well concentrated. If there was a vote today they would expect a similar amount of seats to be returned. |  | | |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 20:35 - Jun 19 with 344 views | tractordownsouth |
| Burnham wins Makerfield on 07:21 - Jun 19 by ITFC_Forever |
Goes to show that however loud the bullies that are Reform and their supporters shout, most people are decent can see through their bullocks. |
The most revealing part of the Reform campaign wasn’t their candidate’s dodgy comments (that goes with the territory for many of their representatives) but the way they tried to defend it.
Their excuse was essentially “well of course he’s a sexist, he’s working class” and they wonder why working class people (particularly women) didn’t vote for them yesterday. |  |
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